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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:34:32 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
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Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:08:52 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:e5nga45jq6cpmu4pt54ic1ot98nip49bod@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:29:11 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In
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Kelly> <Kelly> typed:
On Aug 17, 6:19 am, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
When I googled for "Woz" and found posts by him, he did not
sound like a 12-year-old at all. Children at that age are not
interested in such newsgroup discussions anyway.
So when you were trying to convince others in the groups that
negative posts in here were potentially harmful to teenagers and
children who would read them you were essentially lying, correct?
No, I was not. They are not interested in felowshipping with adults
in a newsgroup like this, but when they stumble over it, they are
surely interested in bad examples like you gave one. They love to
think to have power by abusing people like you do. If Christians do
it, why should they not? They might bully people in other online
societies...
Vera I think you should know teenagers do come and read here.
It was said that Woz was 12 and posted here.
If you know children at that age read here, you should delete your
mobbing very soon.
Whatever.
In other word, you do not care...
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There are more than just Google. I care more what they have seen the
last 2 months.
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During
the great Trinity Wars. I and many lurkers looked into the matter
of the trinity and there was at least one teenager in that group. I
think this NG has many Lurkers more than you might think. Sad many
are afraid to post.
Yes, that has not always been the case. When I came here in 2003
everyone was happy to find so many Christians who welcomed them. They
were not afraid to post then - only after your riot. Ask Psalmsmith.
I thought David Started it, Then Mark stated it Today think you said
OWD started it. Now guess I did. You really need to make up your
mind.
When I came to ACC, David was already at it. I only thought that he was
a very much confused person and felt pity for him. Mark came around
December 2003 and attacked the Christians with David. They were trolls,
and I ignored them both as much as I could. Then OWD announced this war,
and it was soon clear that they worked in a team. You were one of them
and others had joined you.
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I did not get upset until I was told that certain subjects weren't
allowed. Then told I wasn't welcome. Think the Subject was Pat
Robertson suggested that God wanted terrorist to attack Orlando, Fl.
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The Woz thing happened in 2002. I was not here or if I was did not
post.
This is the last post I could find for Woz
http://tinyurl.com/5ueyr9
I do not care - it is none of my business, and I have never even met
this guy. It is of ancient times, but you obviously cannot get over the
past, and even blame things on me which I have never done. I was not
present when Woz posted, and I cannot judge about that now in the
present. When I was in ACC, everybody could post whatever he liked, and
I did practice that. So they had obviously learned... yet you loved to
blame that on me.
I think everyone has the right to post their opinion. You do not.
But I do - as long as it is no character assassination, and as long as
everyone has that same right.
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OK then why don't we both practice that.
Matt
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Matt
Matt
Reading things is something different from posting as a regular
like Woz did.
They just have to search for "nazi", "Irma Grese", "hateful witch"
or the like - and they might run into your posts and take you as an
example. Oh boy! You should delete all of your hate and lies,
really... and get over yourself and your sexual preferences. There
are more important matters...
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:17:54 -0400, "Tbc ...."
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
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In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
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And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different gospel from
the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult, that is the
Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and made up
an
own - that is a cult.
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a doctrine
common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must necessarily be
correct... but then I believe that the Lord has protected them in the
last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have allowed
over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian" witness on
it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends than we have
ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us were Christians who
were regular members at a local church. All we tried was living
according to Christian standards in ACC as well - especially to love
one another, something that cannot be seen much here nowadays
anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member at a
local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do you not
remember out Church Prayer List?
and he and his minions were trying to run an
unmoderated Usenet group along cult lines.
That is wrong. He was trying to get the Christians in ACC to the
Christian
Scriptural standards - something you have no idea about as someone who
is
outside of the Christian faith. You simply hate Griz for telling you the
truth. You could have blocked him if you did not like him or his ideas.
He
did nothing else from what everybody does in a newsgroup, namely make
use
of the functions of a newsgroup under Scriptural standards. You surely
did
not like that... But Griz has not posted here for years, but you can
still not get over it.
Jani
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I read a little bit of this quickly and except for the bitterness we all
feel because of what happened to Griz and G. N. Runner (and myself), what
G.
N. Runner is saying is true. Was there mistakes made, I'm sure but nothing
that required a lynching. And that's what we all got, a public lynching,
lets face it. (The truth will stand when the worlds on fire)
So VERY many lie were told about us and have continued to be repeated even
to this day that most of it is now excepted as truth.
There is a major part of this WHOLE thing that was never brought out
publicly....
The Holy Spirit moved in great strength and power in the Acc chat room one
night, touching many but within the next 48 hours the "Acc War" had begun.
Funny how your prospective can change when you think about the truth.
In the end the "Fellowship" broke apart because of fighting amongst
ourselves.
The choices were to leave, fight, or suffer.
I tried all three.
Go figure.
The old gang isn't ever coming back. I loved those "guys".
Now there is just to many BETTER ways to fellowship with believers, blogs,
myspace, web sites, whatever.
I keep coming back to the old saying,
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind!"
Tbc ...
TBC are you saying what the Building Crew did was right. Including
what was done to Woz?
What exactly are you saying?
Matt
I believe I stated that mistakes were made, yes, but in the beginning the
premise was that the group would fellowship on Acc and not respond to
"Trolls, Flamers, and the like. All false doctrine was responded to by Griz
and he took GREAT care to NOT respond in anger.
I also talked about lies that were now accepted as "truth".
"Wos" was a twelve year old boy playing on his dad's computer, flaming EVERY
post and reply with his anti-Paul nonsense, using a e-mail generator that
made it impossible to block him. (I know Mark T believe "Wos" to be someone
else but he is mistaken. There is a difference between someone who is
mistaken and a blatant liar. (i.e. see David Mathieu)
"Wos" crossed the line when he started posting under our names. (a form of
identity thief)
But before any of this came out the Holy Spirit spook to my heart and told
me about "Wos" and I quote,
"He is lonely"
This made me see things in a very different way. It was heart wrenching, to
say the least.
There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with our original premise of usernet for
fellowship until we crossed the line and tried to make (enforce) rules for
the group (Building Crew) saying that they absolutely could not respond to
the ones black listed.
I think a good example of how the fellowship group work (in the beginning)
was Brian Garrison. The man touched so many hearts with his openness and
love.
Apart from the fellowship, I would had never known Brian and Pablo and
others who touched my life.
As long as the fellowship remained voluntary we were not denying anyone
their
rights to use the open forum, instead we would simply build one another up
(Edify) in an effort to glorify Christ.
Also I think that the time has come to understand that it is God that gave
us these tools, (computers, internet) and we should use them to build up the
body of Christ.
Now because of the bitterness that remains because of the Acc war my words
fall on deaf ears and are even offensive to some. But I pray for a time of
healing, it's starts by letting go.
When we stand before the Lord will we seek to justify our own selves by
claiming we
were in the "right"?
I think not.
Tbc ...
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You are right and I apologize for any bitterness from me. To your
post.
First of all I think we were healing slowly until about a month ago
and then it all blew up again.
There is Fellowship here to a point, I think most is done by E-mail.
If a new Christian were to come on here and ask a question or be
mistaken in interpretation there is a good change he/she would be
attacked and put on a woodpile to be burned.
I was not here when this War started. I had come on here and lurked
from time to time. When I started posting everything was fine unless
I posted a subject that was not approved. Then I think I was asked to
leave and then my ISP was lied to. I had been warned so they were
expecting it.
As for the Woz thing. If any Version I have been told is true it was
wrong no matter what the reason. More so because it was done in
Christ name. Even if only 10% is true.
To me in order to have peace here. What we need is for people to be
able to post there opinions without fear of attack. By attack I mean
name calling and the starting of new subject lines just to make a
person look or feel bad. Lets face it many of the opinions I had 5
years ago, I know were stupid but I would not have reacted well to
being told so then.
If anyone wants to control this group they should go start a moderated
group that they control.
God Bless
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
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In news:oivga4pclv14nehikmpa2snu1ia45qds79@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
| Quote: | On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:34:32 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:0qqga4ph2tstmunqgdu9io9fqlglc3v8gs@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:08:52 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:e5nga45jq6cpmu4pt54ic1ot98nip49bod@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:29:11 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In
news:11da877c-da2d-4852-a93d-fac327d01a17@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com,
Kelly> <Kelly> typed:
On Aug 17, 6:19 am, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
When I googled for "Woz" and found posts by him, he did not
sound like a 12-year-old at all. Children at that age are not
interested in such newsgroup discussions anyway.
So when you were trying to convince others in the groups that
negative posts in here were potentially harmful to teenagers and
children who would read them you were essentially lying,
correct?
No, I was not. They are not interested in felowshipping with
adults in a newsgroup like this, but when they stumble over it,
they are surely interested in bad examples like you gave one.
They love to think to have power by abusing people like you do.
If Christians do it, why should they not? They might bully
people in other online societies...
Vera I think you should know teenagers do come and read here.
It was said that Woz was 12 and posted here.
If you know children at that age read here, you should delete your
mobbing very soon.
Whatever.
In other word, you do not care...
There are more than just Google. I care more what they have seen the
last 2 months.
During
the great Trinity Wars. I and many lurkers looked into the matter
of the trinity and there was at least one teenager in that group.
I think this NG has many Lurkers more than you might think. Sad
many are afraid to post.
Yes, that has not always been the case. When I came here in 2003
everyone was happy to find so many Christians who welcomed them.
They were not afraid to post then - only after your riot. Ask
Psalmsmith.
I thought David Started it, Then Mark stated it Today think you
said OWD started it. Now guess I did. You really need to make up
your mind.
When I came to ACC, David was already at it. I only thought that he
was a very much confused person and felt pity for him. Mark came
around December 2003 and attacked the Christians with David. They
were trolls, and I ignored them both as much as I could. Then OWD
announced this war, and it was soon clear that they worked in a
team. You were one of them and others had joined you.
I did not get upset until I was told that certain subjects weren't
allowed. Then told I wasn't welcome. Think the Subject was Pat
Robertson suggested that God wanted terrorist to attack Orlando, Fl.
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But this had NOTHING to do with me.
| Quote: | The Woz thing happened in 2002. I was not here or if I was did not
post.
This is the last post I could find for Woz
http://tinyurl.com/5ueyr9
I do not care - it is none of my business, and I have never even met
this guy. It is of ancient times, but you obviously cannot get over
the past, and even blame things on me which I have never done. I was
not present when Woz posted, and I cannot judge about that now in the
present. When I was in ACC, everybody could post whatever he liked,
and I did practice that. So they had obviously learned... yet you
loved to blame that on me.
I think everyone has the right to post their opinion. You do not.
But I do - as long as it is no character assassination, and as long
as everyone has that same right.
OK then why don't we both practice that.
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Well I have tried, but you always love to come out with the hangers and
smearing people. You should really stop that. You do not really look
good with it. In Why do you not just concentrate on wishing Grace a
"Good Morning" and the like? You are very good at that, no matter what
the time of the day might be here.
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Matt
Matt
Reading things is something different from posting as a regular
like Woz did.
They just have to search for "nazi", "Irma Grese", "hateful
witch" or the like - and they might run into your posts and take
you as an example. Oh boy! You should delete all of your hate
and lies, really... and get over yourself and your sexual
preferences. There are more important matters...
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| Posted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:39:02 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
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Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:16:23 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:mpnga457pcg33hlu8a74s1249ouie0h0mh@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:23:58 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Matt, do you have control issues?
In news:toafa4t0uva157bmm3s6h8e580renltbsd@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:04:36 -0700, "galia" <galia@somewhere.com
wrote:
"Jani" <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
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We hashed Feather over a few times about her involvement
with Matts website and some past problem she and Vera had.
And something about her son being retarded or mentally ill,
not sure which.
Amazing Grace! how sweet the sound.....
I don't see you post very often, but when you do, it's always
gossip about Vera.....
Passing on second hand information, as you did with that
famous list, doesn't promote peace, nor does it improve your
image. All it does, it creates doubts in peoples minds, who
would otherwise stay impartial to the issue at hand.
Vera ASKED Grace to re-post the list by Abby. Most of Grace's
posts have nothing to do with Vera at all.
Grace wrote to Vera:
" Did your good friend Abby lie when she posted the things that
the 2 of you
gossiped about in your chat room? she gave quite a detailed
list."
If you don't want to gossip, why mention this in the first
place. One thing leads to another.....
And where it started was in Vera's chatroom. I must admit, I do
like the way she's currently accusing people of 'dating' one
another. There are entire subplots which no-one would even have
thought of, had Vera not decided to invent them in the past week
:)
Jani
Vera has been under fire ever since she defended jw against
certain people in arcb, especially Elaine. I agree with her,
that elaine is a cyber bullie and has been like that for years.
This is how this *war* started and it escalated ever since. More
and more people joined in, especially those from acc, who are
now using Vera's chatroom to keep the argumentation alive. So
don't tell me that the starting point was Vera's chatroom, when
we both know, that this is not the case. Vera seems to be a
over-sensitive person - I had a few arguments with her years ago
myself- but the abuse she endured from Christians in the past
few weeks, was really horrible to watch. One would expect of
being labeled *SSVeraSS*, or *Irma Grese* by a street gang, but
certainly not by people who claim to be Christians. To those
people I can only say: *SHAME ON YOU!*
Like the old saying goes: It takes two to tangle, is really what
this whole matter is all about. It's almost impossible to stay
objective, if we have to maintain political correctness out of
fear, of being rejected by those we consider our friends. And
this is where Vera is different. She is not afraid to think
independently, and acts upon it regardless of a possible
disadvantage.
She and her Gang/Cult were not afraid to send lies to my ISP.
I have never sent any lies about you to your ISP.
Yes I know. Whatever. I wasn't the only one it was done to.
I did not write any lies about others to their ISPs, either.
But Diana was caught red handed when she wrote to my ISP to stop me
for posting Scripture. lol
Did
them no good but they did try. That is the truth. She did try to
intimidate me with her letter to "Dear Mr President"
That is what you say... I say that my intentions were rather
different.
Whatever
Lately it was
the Cyber Billy trick. That did not work either.
The what?
My Bad "Bully " Look at the subject line you wrote and added my
name into the post. Strange you did that.
Not strange at all.
Chucky Boy cut and pasted several post and then Vera did that too.
Eh?
Yes everyone else is wrong. Miss perfect is never wrong.
I am not perfect, and never said I was. If you see me like that...
oh well...
Well you say you have had no part in this so called war over the
years.
I said I was innocent - and that was what I was when you people fell
over me like wolves.
Yes I say Shame on the Vera Crew.
What "Crew"??? Eh? get over yourself, Matt!
Sorry it is much smaller now.
It is as big as before, because God is in my "Crew", and all the
Christians in this world who are interested in the TRUTH. You based
your war against me on lies, Matt, can you not see that? You were
probably misinformed, or just biased because I am a German - I have
no idea.
Because you are a German, I'm part German as you know already. This
from a women that was talking about Cubans just this past few weeks.
Like being Cuban was bad.
Where have I ever written such a BS, liar?
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You should do a course like "How to stop Lying".
You really do have double standards and a
short memory. Vera miss perfect and then everyone else.
Be Well Ouch another hanger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why are you doing that? Where have I done such a thing to you? Do you
really think this is funny? You are a liar who loves to post propaganda.
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Propaganda? No just a opinion Vera Dearest of the wire hangers
Matt
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Matt
Matt, get over yourself, please.
Matt
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remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
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cover over a multitude of sins."
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:21 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst |
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On Aug 17, 2:49 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:31:15 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:935ha49vp9ag1om6v17u69gj2mv4rd22rg@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:39:02 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:7srga45a4cjq5m69ugfopgji57p9ggci2d@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:16:23 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:mpnga457pcg33hlu8a74s1249ouie0h0mh@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:23:58 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Matt, do you have control issues?
Innews:toafa4t0uva157bmm3s6h8e580renltbsd@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:04:36 -0700, "galia"
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We hashed Feather over a few times about her involvement
with Matts website and some past problem she and Vera had.
And something about her son being retarded or mentally
ill, not sure which.
Amazing Grace! how sweet the sound.....
I don't see you post very often, but when you do, it's
always gossip about Vera.....
Passing on second hand information, as you did with that
famous list, doesn't promote peace, nor does it improve
your image. All it does, it creates doubts in peoples
minds, who would otherwise stay impartial to the issue at
hand.
Vera ASKED Grace to re-post the list by Abby. Most of
Grace's posts have nothing to do with Vera at all.
Grace wrote to Vera:
" Did your good friend Abby lie when she posted the things
that the 2 of you
gossiped about in your chat room? she gave quite a detailed
list."
If you don't want to gossip, why mention this in the first
place. One thing leads to another.....
And where it started was in Vera's chatroom. I must admit, I
do like the way she's currently accusing people of 'dating'
one another. There are entire subplots which no-one would
even have thought of, had Vera not decided to invent them in
the past week :)
Jani
Vera has been under fire ever since she defended jw against
certain people in arcb, especially Elaine. I agree with her,
that elaine is a cyber bullie and has been like that for years.
This is how this *war* started and it escalated ever since.
More and more people joined in, especially those from acc, who
are now using Vera's chatroom to keep the argumentation alive.
So don't tell me that the starting point was Vera's chatroom,
when we both know, that this is not the case. Vera seems to be
a over-sensitive person - I had a few arguments with her years
ago myself- but the abuse she endured from Christians in the
past few weeks, was really horrible to watch. One would expect
of being labeled *SSVeraSS*, or *Irma Grese* by a street gang,
but certainly not by people who claim to be Christians. To
those people I can only say: *SHAME ON YOU!*
Like the old saying goes: It takes two to tangle, is really
what this whole matter is all about. It's almost impossible
to stay objective, if we have to maintain political
correctness out of fear, of being rejected by those we
consider our friends. And this is where Vera is different.
She is not afraid to think independently, and acts upon it
regardless of a possible disadvantage.
She and her Gang/Cult were not afraid to send lies to my ISP.
I have never sent any lies about you to your ISP.
Yes I know. Whatever. I wasn't the only one it was done to.
I did not write any lies about others to their ISPs, either.
But Diana was caught red handed when she wrote to my ISP to stop me
for posting Scripture. lol
Did
them no good but they did try. That is the truth. She did try
to intimidate me with her letter to "Dear Mr President"
That is what you say... I say that my intentions were rather
different.
Whatever
Lately it was
the Cyber Billy trick. That did not work either.
The what?
My Bad "Bully " Look at the subject line you wrote and added my
name into the post. Strange you did that.
Not strange at all.
Chucky Boy cut and pasted several post and then Vera did that
too.
Eh?
Yes everyone else is wrong. Miss perfect is never wrong.
I am not perfect, and never said I was. If you see me like
that... oh well...
Well you say you have had no part in this so called war over the
years.
I said I was innocent - and that was what I was when you people
fell over me like wolves.
Yes I say Shame on the Vera Crew.
What "Crew"??? Eh? get over yourself, Matt!
Sorry it is much smaller now.
It is as big as before, because God is in my "Crew", and all the
Christians in this world who are interested in the TRUTH. You based
your war against me on lies, Matt, can you not see that? You were
probably misinformed, or just biased because I am a German - I
have no idea.
Because you are a German, I'm part German as you know already.
This from a women that was talking about Cubans just this past few
weeks. Like being Cuban was bad.
Where have I ever written such a BS, liar?
You have never mentioned anyone being of Cuban decent this month?
So? Some people are Cubans. What is wrong with that?
Nothing while in Florida I knew some wonderful Cubans.
Maybe it was the way you used it. If I had used German the same way
we would still here you screaming.
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Yes, she was definitely implying that Cubans are bad, evil people.
Whenever she wants to denigrate someone, she will often use "So-and-so
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Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
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" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
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In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
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And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different gospel
from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult, that is
the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us
were Christians who were regular members at a local church. All
we tried was living according to Christian standards in ACC as
well - especially to love one another, something that cannot be
seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member at a
local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do you
not remember out Church Prayer List?
and he and his minions were trying to run an
unmoderated Usenet group along cult lines.
That is wrong. He was trying to get the Christians in ACC to the
Christian
Scriptural standards - something you have no idea about as
someone who is
outside of the Christian faith. You simply hate Griz for telling
you the truth. You could have blocked him if you did not like him
or his ideas. He
did nothing else from what everybody does in a newsgroup, namely
make use
of the functions of a newsgroup under Scriptural standards. You
surely did
not like that... But Griz has not posted here for years, but you
can still not get over it.
Jani
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I read a little bit of this quickly and except for the bitterness
we all feel because of what happened to Griz and G. N. Runner (and
myself), what G.
N. Runner is saying is true. Was there mistakes made, I'm sure but
nothing that required a lynching. And that's what we all got, a
public lynching, lets face it. (The truth will stand when the
worlds on fire)
So VERY many lie were told about us and have continued to be
repeated even to this day that most of it is now excepted as truth.
There is a major part of this WHOLE thing that was never brought
out publicly....
The Holy Spirit moved in great strength and power in the Acc chat
room one night, touching many but within the next 48 hours the
"Acc War" had begun.
Funny how your prospective can change when you think about the
truth.
In the end the "Fellowship" broke apart because of fighting
amongst ourselves.
The choices were to leave, fight, or suffer.
I tried all three.
Go figure.
The old gang isn't ever coming back. I loved those "guys".
Now there is just to many BETTER ways to fellowship with
believers, blogs, myspace, web sites, whatever.
I keep coming back to the old saying,
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind!"
Tbc ...
TBC are you saying what the Building Crew did was right. Including
what was done to Woz?
What exactly are you saying?
Matt
I believe I stated that mistakes were made, yes, but in the
beginning the premise was that the group would fellowship on Acc and
not respond to "Trolls, Flamers, and the like. All false doctrine
was responded to by Griz and he took GREAT care to NOT respond in
anger.
I also talked about lies that were now accepted as "truth".
"Wos" was a twelve year old boy playing on his dad's computer,
flaming EVERY post and reply with his anti-Paul nonsense, using a
e-mail generator that made it impossible to block him. (I know Mark
T believe "Wos" to be someone else but he is mistaken. There is a
difference between someone who is mistaken and a blatant liar. (i.e.
see David Mathieu)
"Wos" crossed the line when he started posting under our names. (a
form of identity thief)
But before any of this came out the Holy Spirit spook to my heart
and told me about "Wos" and I quote,
"He is lonely"
This made me see things in a very different way. It was heart
wrenching, to say the least.
There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with our original premise of
usernet for fellowship until we crossed the line and tried to make
(enforce) rules for the group (Building Crew) saying that they
absolutely could not respond to the ones black listed.
I think a good example of how the fellowship group work (in the
beginning) was Brian Garrison. The man touched so many hearts with
his openness and love.
Apart from the fellowship, I would had never known Brian and Pablo
and others who touched my life.
As long as the fellowship remained voluntary we were not denying
anyone their
rights to use the open forum, instead we would simply build one
another up (Edify) in an effort to glorify Christ.
Also I think that the time has come to understand that it is God
that gave us these tools, (computers, internet) and we should use
them to build up the body of Christ.
Now because of the bitterness that remains because of the Acc war my
words fall on deaf ears and are even offensive to some. But I pray
for a time of healing, it's starts by letting go.
When we stand before the Lord will we seek to justify our own selves
by claiming we
were in the "right"?
I think not.
Tbc ...
You are right and I apologize for any bitterness from me. To your
post.
First of all I think we were healing slowly until about a month ago
and then it all blew up again.
There is Fellowship here to a point, I think most is done by E-mail.
If a new Christian were to come on here and ask a question or be
mistaken in interpretation there is a good change he/she would be
attacked and put on a woodpile to be burned.
I was not here when this War started. I had come on here and lurked
from time to time. When I started posting everything was fine unless
I posted a subject that was not approved. Then I think I was asked to
leave and then my ISP was lied to. I had been warned so they were
expecting it.
As for the Woz thing. If any Version I have been told is true it was
wrong no matter what the reason. More so because it was done in
Christ name. Even if only 10% is true.
To me in order to have peace here. What we need is for people to be
able to post there opinions without fear of attack. By attack I mean
name calling and the starting of new subject lines just to make a
person look or feel bad.
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So stop it and tell your friends to stop that, too! I will change the
subjects lines if they include my name to smear me. It is really
interesting that you only care when someone else but me is smeared
there... lol
| Quote: | Lets face it many of the opinions I had 5
years ago, I know were stupid but I would not have reacted well to
being told so then.
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Yet you have never apologized for myking up your smear and lies. And
Psalmsmith even comes alongs and wants me to apologize for what you have
done to me in the last five months...
| Quote: | If anyone wants to control this group they should go start a moderated
group that they control.
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Just do so! You have all the liberty for that!
| Quote: | God Bless
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins."
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In news:935ha49vp9ag1om6v17u69gj2mv4rd22rg@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
| Quote: | On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:39:02 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:7srga45a4cjq5m69ugfopgji57p9ggci2d@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:16:23 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:mpnga457pcg33hlu8a74s1249ouie0h0mh@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:23:58 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Matt, do you have control issues?
In news:toafa4t0uva157bmm3s6h8e580renltbsd@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:04:36 -0700, "galia"
galia@somewhere.com> wrote:
"Jani" <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
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"galia" <galia@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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We hashed Feather over a few times about her involvement
with Matts website and some past problem she and Vera had.
And something about her son being retarded or mentally
ill, not sure which.
Amazing Grace! how sweet the sound.....
I don't see you post very often, but when you do, it's
always gossip about Vera.....
Passing on second hand information, as you did with that
famous list, doesn't promote peace, nor does it improve
your image. All it does, it creates doubts in peoples
minds, who would otherwise stay impartial to the issue at
hand.
Vera ASKED Grace to re-post the list by Abby. Most of
Grace's posts have nothing to do with Vera at all.
Grace wrote to Vera:
" Did your good friend Abby lie when she posted the things
that the 2 of you
gossiped about in your chat room? she gave quite a detailed
list."
If you don't want to gossip, why mention this in the first
place. One thing leads to another.....
And where it started was in Vera's chatroom. I must admit, I
do like the way she's currently accusing people of 'dating'
one another. There are entire subplots which no-one would
even have thought of, had Vera not decided to invent them in
the past week :)
Jani
Vera has been under fire ever since she defended jw against
certain people in arcb, especially Elaine. I agree with her,
that elaine is a cyber bullie and has been like that for years.
This is how this *war* started and it escalated ever since.
More and more people joined in, especially those from acc, who
are now using Vera's chatroom to keep the argumentation alive.
So don't tell me that the starting point was Vera's chatroom,
when we both know, that this is not the case. Vera seems to be
a over-sensitive person - I had a few arguments with her years
ago myself- but the abuse she endured from Christians in the
past few weeks, was really horrible to watch. One would expect
of being labeled *SSVeraSS*, or *Irma Grese* by a street gang,
but certainly not by people who claim to be Christians. To
those people I can only say: *SHAME ON YOU!*
Like the old saying goes: It takes two to tangle, is really
what this whole matter is all about. It's almost impossible
to stay objective, if we have to maintain political
correctness out of fear, of being rejected by those we
consider our friends. And this is where Vera is different.
She is not afraid to think independently, and acts upon it
regardless of a possible disadvantage.
She and her Gang/Cult were not afraid to send lies to my ISP.
I have never sent any lies about you to your ISP.
Yes I know. Whatever. I wasn't the only one it was done to.
I did not write any lies about others to their ISPs, either.
But Diana was caught red handed when she wrote to my ISP to stop me
for posting Scripture. lol
Did
them no good but they did try. That is the truth. She did try
to intimidate me with her letter to "Dear Mr President"
That is what you say... I say that my intentions were rather
different.
Whatever
Lately it was
the Cyber Billy trick. That did not work either.
The what?
My Bad "Bully " Look at the subject line you wrote and added my
name into the post. Strange you did that.
Not strange at all.
Chucky Boy cut and pasted several post and then Vera did that
too.
Eh?
Yes everyone else is wrong. Miss perfect is never wrong.
I am not perfect, and never said I was. If you see me like
that... oh well...
Well you say you have had no part in this so called war over the
years.
I said I was innocent - and that was what I was when you people
fell over me like wolves.
Yes I say Shame on the Vera Crew.
What "Crew"??? Eh? get over yourself, Matt!
Sorry it is much smaller now.
It is as big as before, because God is in my "Crew", and all the
Christians in this world who are interested in the TRUTH. You based
your war against me on lies, Matt, can you not see that? You were
probably misinformed, or just biased because I am a German - I
have no idea.
Because you are a German, I'm part German as you know already.
This from a women that was talking about Cubans just this past few
weeks. Like being Cuban was bad.
Where have I ever written such a BS, liar?
You have never mentioned anyone being of Cuban decent this month?
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So? Some people are Cubans. What is wrong with that?
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You should do a course like "How to stop Lying".
You really do have double standards and a
short memory. Vera miss perfect and then everyone else.
Be Well Ouch another hanger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why are you doing that? Where have I done such a thing to you? Do you
really think this is funny? You are a liar who loves to post
propaganda.
Propaganda? No just a opinion Vera Dearest of the wire hangers
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insult
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Matt
Matt
Matt, get over yourself, please.
Matt
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:09:41 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In news:oivga4pclv14nehikmpa2snu1ia45qds79@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:34:32 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:0qqga4ph2tstmunqgdu9io9fqlglc3v8gs@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:08:52 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:e5nga45jq6cpmu4pt54ic1ot98nip49bod@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:29:11 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In
news:11da877c-da2d-4852-a93d-fac327d01a17@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com,
Kelly> <Kelly> typed:
On Aug 17, 6:19 am, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
When I googled for "Woz" and found posts by him, he did not
sound like a 12-year-old at all. Children at that age are not
interested in such newsgroup discussions anyway.
So when you were trying to convince others in the groups that
negative posts in here were potentially harmful to teenagers and
children who would read them you were essentially lying,
correct?
No, I was not. They are not interested in felowshipping with
adults in a newsgroup like this, but when they stumble over it,
they are surely interested in bad examples like you gave one.
They love to think to have power by abusing people like you do.
If Christians do it, why should they not? They might bully
people in other online societies...
Vera I think you should know teenagers do come and read here.
It was said that Woz was 12 and posted here.
If you know children at that age read here, you should delete your
mobbing very soon.
Whatever.
In other word, you do not care...
There are more than just Google. I care more what they have seen the
last 2 months.
During
the great Trinity Wars. I and many lurkers looked into the matter
of the trinity and there was at least one teenager in that group.
I think this NG has many Lurkers more than you might think. Sad
many are afraid to post.
Yes, that has not always been the case. When I came here in 2003
everyone was happy to find so many Christians who welcomed them.
They were not afraid to post then - only after your riot. Ask
Psalmsmith.
I thought David Started it, Then Mark stated it Today think you
said OWD started it. Now guess I did. You really need to make up
your mind.
When I came to ACC, David was already at it. I only thought that he
was a very much confused person and felt pity for him. Mark came
around December 2003 and attacked the Christians with David. They
were trolls, and I ignored them both as much as I could. Then OWD
announced this war, and it was soon clear that they worked in a
team. You were one of them and others had joined you.
I did not get upset until I was told that certain subjects weren't
allowed. Then told I wasn't welcome. Think the Subject was Pat
Robertson suggested that God wanted terrorist to attack Orlando, Fl.
But this had NOTHING to do with me.
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That may be, but it did have something to do with the Building Crew
and then the "Fellowship" after that. They continued using those
tactics.
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The Woz thing happened in 2002. I was not here or if I was did not
post.
This is the last post I could find for Woz
http://tinyurl.com/5ueyr9
I do not care - it is none of my business, and I have never even met
this guy. It is of ancient times, but you obviously cannot get over
the past, and even blame things on me which I have never done. I was
not present when Woz posted, and I cannot judge about that now in the
present. When I was in ACC, everybody could post whatever he liked,
and I did practice that. So they had obviously learned... yet you
loved to blame that on me.
I think everyone has the right to post their opinion. You do not.
But I do - as long as it is no character assassination, and as long
as everyone has that same right.
OK then why don't we both practice that.
Well I have tried, but you always love to come out with the hangers and
smearing people. You should really stop that. You do not really look
good with it. In Why do you not just concentrate on wishing Grace a
"Good Morning" and the like? You are very good at that, no matter what
the time of the day might be here.
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Wishing people well no matter what the time of day is always a good
thing.
Be Well
Matt
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Matt
Matt
Matt
Reading things is something different from posting as a regular
like Woz did.
They just have to search for "nazi", "Irma Grese", "hateful
witch" or the like - and they might run into your posts and take
you as an example. Oh boy! You should delete all of your hate
and lies, really... and get over yourself and your sexual
preferences. There are more important matters...
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:24:54 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In news:bblga4ll059588qrpcsr51gbtblgqpuhnb@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:17:54 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
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On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
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" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
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In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
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And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different gospel
from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult, that is
the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us
were Christians who were regular members at a local church. All
we tried was living according to Christian standards in ACC as
well - especially to love one another, something that cannot be
seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member at a
local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do you
not remember out Church Prayer List?
and he and his minions were trying to run an
unmoderated Usenet group along cult lines.
That is wrong. He was trying to get the Christians in ACC to the
Christian
Scriptural standards - something you have no idea about as
someone who is
outside of the Christian faith. You simply hate Griz for telling
you the truth. You could have blocked him if you did not like him
or his ideas. He
did nothing else from what everybody does in a newsgroup, namely
make use
of the functions of a newsgroup under Scriptural standards. You
surely did
not like that... But Griz has not posted here for years, but you
can still not get over it.
Jani
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I read a little bit of this quickly and except for the bitterness
we all feel because of what happened to Griz and G. N. Runner (and
myself), what G.
N. Runner is saying is true. Was there mistakes made, I'm sure but
nothing that required a lynching. And that's what we all got, a
public lynching, lets face it. (The truth will stand when the
worlds on fire)
So VERY many lie were told about us and have continued to be
repeated even to this day that most of it is now excepted as truth.
There is a major part of this WHOLE thing that was never brought
out publicly....
The Holy Spirit moved in great strength and power in the Acc chat
room one night, touching many but within the next 48 hours the
"Acc War" had begun.
Funny how your prospective can change when you think about the
truth.
In the end the "Fellowship" broke apart because of fighting
amongst ourselves.
The choices were to leave, fight, or suffer.
I tried all three.
Go figure.
The old gang isn't ever coming back. I loved those "guys".
Now there is just to many BETTER ways to fellowship with
believers, blogs, myspace, web sites, whatever.
I keep coming back to the old saying,
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind!"
Tbc ...
TBC are you saying what the Building Crew did was right. Including
what was done to Woz?
What exactly are you saying?
Matt
I believe I stated that mistakes were made, yes, but in the
beginning the premise was that the group would fellowship on Acc and
not respond to "Trolls, Flamers, and the like. All false doctrine
was responded to by Griz and he took GREAT care to NOT respond in
anger.
I also talked about lies that were now accepted as "truth".
"Wos" was a twelve year old boy playing on his dad's computer,
flaming EVERY post and reply with his anti-Paul nonsense, using a
e-mail generator that made it impossible to block him. (I know Mark
T believe "Wos" to be someone else but he is mistaken. There is a
difference between someone who is mistaken and a blatant liar. (i.e.
see David Mathieu)
"Wos" crossed the line when he started posting under our names. (a
form of identity thief)
But before any of this came out the Holy Spirit spook to my heart
and told me about "Wos" and I quote,
"He is lonely"
This made me see things in a very different way. It was heart
wrenching, to say the least.
There was absolutely NOTHING wrong with our original premise of
usernet for fellowship until we crossed the line and tried to make
(enforce) rules for the group (Building Crew) saying that they
absolutely could not respond to the ones black listed.
I think a good example of how the fellowship group work (in the
beginning) was Brian Garrison. The man touched so many hearts with
his openness and love.
Apart from the fellowship, I would had never known Brian and Pablo
and others who touched my life.
As long as the fellowship remained voluntary we were not denying
anyone their
rights to use the open forum, instead we would simply build one
another up (Edify) in an effort to glorify Christ.
Also I think that the time has come to understand that it is God
that gave us these tools, (computers, internet) and we should use
them to build up the body of Christ.
Now because of the bitterness that remains because of the Acc war my
words fall on deaf ears and are even offensive to some. But I pray
for a time of healing, it's starts by letting go.
When we stand before the Lord will we seek to justify our own selves
by claiming we
were in the "right"?
I think not.
Tbc ...
You are right and I apologize for any bitterness from me. To your
post.
First of all I think we were healing slowly until about a month ago
and then it all blew up again.
There is Fellowship here to a point, I think most is done by E-mail.
If a new Christian were to come on here and ask a question or be
mistaken in interpretation there is a good change he/she would be
attacked and put on a woodpile to be burned.
I was not here when this War started. I had come on here and lurked
from time to time. When I started posting everything was fine unless
I posted a subject that was not approved. Then I think I was asked to
leave and then my ISP was lied to. I had been warned so they were
expecting it.
As for the Woz thing. If any Version I have been told is true it was
wrong no matter what the reason. More so because it was done in
Christ name. Even if only 10% is true.
To me in order to have peace here. What we need is for people to be
able to post there opinions without fear of attack. By attack I mean
name calling and the starting of new subject lines just to make a
person look or feel bad.
So stop it and tell your friends to stop that, too! I will change the
subjects lines if they include my name to smear me. It is really
interesting that you only care when someone else but me is smeared
there... lol
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Vera I used the word "We" deliberately above. I did not say you.
Many are guilty and you are as well, as am I.
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Lets face it many of the opinions I had 5
years ago, I know were stupid but I would not have reacted well to
being told so then.
Yet you have never apologized for myking up your smear and lies. And
Psalmsmith even comes alongs and wants me to apologize for what you have
done to me in the last five months...
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I did not say my opinions about you has changed. You have given me no
reason to change them. You still freak out every 3 to 4 months it
seems.
My opinion of Griz did change with time though.
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If anyone wants to control this group they should go start a moderated
group that they control.
Just do so! You have all the liberty for that!
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I want everyone to be able to post their opinions without fear of
attack. I would have no use for a moderated group.
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God Bless
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins."
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:31:15 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In news:935ha49vp9ag1om6v17u69gj2mv4rd22rg@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:39:02 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:7srga45a4cjq5m69ugfopgji57p9ggci2d@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:16:23 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
In news:mpnga457pcg33hlu8a74s1249ouie0h0mh@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:23:58 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
Matt, do you have control issues?
In news:toafa4t0uva157bmm3s6h8e580renltbsd@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:04:36 -0700, "galia"
galia@somewhere.com> wrote:
"Jani" <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g86n1k$1rgb$1@energise.enta.net...
"galia" <galia@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:g84bpb$s7h$1@registered.motzarella.org...
"Jani" <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g844n6$b10$1@energise.enta.net...
"galia" <galia@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:g84038$64j$1@registered.motzarella.org...
"Amazing Grace" <maranatha4@nospamgmail.com> wrote in
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(snipped)
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We hashed Feather over a few times about her involvement
with Matts website and some past problem she and Vera had.
And something about her son being retarded or mentally
ill, not sure which.
Amazing Grace! how sweet the sound.....
I don't see you post very often, but when you do, it's
always gossip about Vera.....
Passing on second hand information, as you did with that
famous list, doesn't promote peace, nor does it improve
your image. All it does, it creates doubts in peoples
minds, who would otherwise stay impartial to the issue at
hand.
Vera ASKED Grace to re-post the list by Abby. Most of
Grace's posts have nothing to do with Vera at all.
Grace wrote to Vera:
" Did your good friend Abby lie when she posted the things
that the 2 of you
gossiped about in your chat room? she gave quite a detailed
list."
If you don't want to gossip, why mention this in the first
place. One thing leads to another.....
And where it started was in Vera's chatroom. I must admit, I
do like the way she's currently accusing people of 'dating'
one another. There are entire subplots which no-one would
even have thought of, had Vera not decided to invent them in
the past week :)
Jani
Vera has been under fire ever since she defended jw against
certain people in arcb, especially Elaine. I agree with her,
that elaine is a cyber bullie and has been like that for years.
This is how this *war* started and it escalated ever since.
More and more people joined in, especially those from acc, who
are now using Vera's chatroom to keep the argumentation alive.
So don't tell me that the starting point was Vera's chatroom,
when we both know, that this is not the case. Vera seems to be
a over-sensitive person - I had a few arguments with her years
ago myself- but the abuse she endured from Christians in the
past few weeks, was really horrible to watch. One would expect
of being labeled *SSVeraSS*, or *Irma Grese* by a street gang,
but certainly not by people who claim to be Christians. To
those people I can only say: *SHAME ON YOU!*
Like the old saying goes: It takes two to tangle, is really
what this whole matter is all about. It's almost impossible
to stay objective, if we have to maintain political
correctness out of fear, of being rejected by those we
consider our friends. And this is where Vera is different.
She is not afraid to think independently, and acts upon it
regardless of a possible disadvantage.
She and her Gang/Cult were not afraid to send lies to my ISP.
I have never sent any lies about you to your ISP.
Yes I know. Whatever. I wasn't the only one it was done to.
I did not write any lies about others to their ISPs, either.
But Diana was caught red handed when she wrote to my ISP to stop me
for posting Scripture. lol
Did
them no good but they did try. That is the truth. She did try
to intimidate me with her letter to "Dear Mr President"
That is what you say... I say that my intentions were rather
different.
Whatever
Lately it was
the Cyber Billy trick. That did not work either.
The what?
My Bad "Bully " Look at the subject line you wrote and added my
name into the post. Strange you did that.
Not strange at all.
Chucky Boy cut and pasted several post and then Vera did that
too.
Eh?
Yes everyone else is wrong. Miss perfect is never wrong.
I am not perfect, and never said I was. If you see me like
that... oh well...
Well you say you have had no part in this so called war over the
years.
I said I was innocent - and that was what I was when you people
fell over me like wolves.
Yes I say Shame on the Vera Crew.
What "Crew"??? Eh? get over yourself, Matt!
Sorry it is much smaller now.
It is as big as before, because God is in my "Crew", and all the
Christians in this world who are interested in the TRUTH. You based
your war against me on lies, Matt, can you not see that? You were
probably misinformed, or just biased because I am a German - I
have no idea.
Because you are a German, I'm part German as you know already.
This from a women that was talking about Cubans just this past few
weeks. Like being Cuban was bad.
Where have I ever written such a BS, liar?
You have never mentioned anyone being of Cuban decent this month?
So? Some people are Cubans. What is wrong with that?
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Nothing while in Florida I knew some wonderful Cubans.
Maybe it was the way you used it. If I had used German the same way
we would still here you screaming.
Matt
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You should do a course like "How to stop Lying".
You really do have double standards and a
short memory. Vera miss perfect and then everyone else.
Be Well Ouch another hanger
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Why are you doing that? Where have I done such a thing to you? Do you
really think this is funny? You are a liar who loves to post
propaganda.
Propaganda? No just a opinion Vera Dearest of the wire hangers
^^^^^^^^^^^^
insult
Matt
Matt
Matt, get over yourself, please.
Matt
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the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins."
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 17, 2:49 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:31:15 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:935ha49vp9ag1om6v17u69gj2mv4rd22rg@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:39:02 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:7srga45a4cjq5m69ugfopgji57p9ggci2d@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:16:23 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Innews:mpnga457pcg33hlu8a74s1249ouie0h0mh@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:23:58 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
veral...@lycos.com> wrote:
Matt, do you have control issues?
Innews:toafa4t0uva157bmm3s6h8e580renltbsd@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > typed:
On Sat |
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