| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Guest
|
 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
 |
|
On Aug 18, 2:11 pm, " ::: good news runner :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Nonsense. It is not about people's opinions. The whole point is that it
is GOD who says who His Saints are - not the people.
|
Then why are you always telling others if they are Christians or not,
Vera? You are not God, yet you frequently decide who is a believer
and who isn't.
| Quote: | If an "opinion" is
not in Scripture, it is anything but Christian.
|
What a stupid thing to say. There are plenty of things that exist in
this world, good and bad, that are not mentioned in Scripture, Vera.
You're using a computer to access the internet, neither of these
things are in Scripture, therefore they must not be Christian in
nature.
Do you see the silliness of your statement?
| Quote: | If people with such an
opinion (Mark T, R. Croucher and team, Glenn McClary, "Pastor" Dave
etc.) still claim to be Christian, they are CULTISTS, far away from the
Christian faith.
|
You obviously don't know the definition of "cult" or "cultist".
| Quote: | Gay Christians probably don't care if you're straight, as long you
don't harass and hound them because their interpretation of scripture
is different from yours.
I do not care what they do as long as they do not spam a Christian
newsgroup with blasphemy to mislead the nations.
|
so then, according to what you just wrote, as long as they don't "spam
a Christian newsgroup", then it's okay if they just participate in a
Christian newsgroup, correct?
| Quote: | Because your initial excitement at finding a new religion has turned
to obsession?
You say it. I am completely obsessed with God.
|
By its very definition, obsession with anything is not healthy - even
an obsession with God, Vera.
| Quote: | Thanks for the compliment.
|
Whoosh....!
| Quote: | Too bad... Who would believe you?
|
Quite a few people would and should. You, OTOH are not believable by
merit of your frequent, hate-based lying. |
|
| |
|
 Back to top |
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
On Aug 18, 3:07 pm, "Jani" <j...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Stamping your little foot there, Vera? And what, exactly, will you do if I
don't obey your orders?
|
Maybe she's got some witchy spells left over from the old days...
;-) |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Matt .
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst |
|
|
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:23:20 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In news:pjs8a4tl2r61vk8fe5imesp3kciqkj080g@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Vera where was this hate Blog?.
I really don't think I ever had a blog.
You might have a very short memory!
Was this not yours, Duane aka Matt aka ... ?
http://groups.google.com/groups/search?q=acchristianlife&qt_s=Suche
But you had no blog, no???
I don't hate anyone.
ROTFL!!! You hate me. You find me as disgusting as Phelps:
|
Very true, but I don't hate Phelps either. Your Crew reminds me of
Jimmy Jones but I don't hate him either. Disgusting well yes.
| Quote: |
In news:lbn0a49nkdcfv0i3qhjnhouo7qe4a9ujnp@4ax.com,
Matt <trdell1234@gmail.com > typed:
So Mark doesn't like extremist Fundamentalist. Neither do I you and
Phelps both disgust me.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This *is* hate, especially if you say such things in a public
newsgroup..
|
Would you rather I lie? You and Phelps do disgust me big time. That
is my opinion.
If you want to Change it quit acting so insane.
Now calm down put the wire hangers back in the closet and try to
relax.
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins." |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Matt .
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst |
|
|
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:42:46 +0200, " ::: good news runner :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In news:rmbja4hchsjf8h1ca1ejbq6orfmau1g6do@4ax.com,
Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > typed:
Your Crew reminds me of
Jimmy Jones but I don't hate him either. Disgusting well yes.
You and Phelps do disgust me big time.
If you want to Change it quit acting so insane.
Now calm down put the wire hangers back in the closet and try to
relax.
Matt
You also think it is worth repeating. You forgot to archive it |
Vera you seem to have a campaign against me and that is insane
Be Well
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins." |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Jani
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gqog7Fh1uc9U1@mid.individual.net...
| Quote: | In news:g896cj$5l9$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Tbc ...." <praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote in message
news:732c5$48a808e3$d066ed82$15286@FUSE.NET...
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different gospel
from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult, that is
the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us
were Christians who were regular members at a local church. All
we tried was living according to Christian standards in ACC as
well - especially to love one another, something that cannot be
seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member at a
local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do you
not remember out Church Prayer List?
and he and his minions were trying to run an
unmoderated Usenet group along cult lines.
That is wrong. He was trying to get the Christians in ACC to the
Christian
Scriptural standards - something you have no idea about as
someone who is
outside of the Christian faith. You simply hate Griz for telling
you the
truth. You could have blocked him if you did not like him or his
ideas. He
did nothing else from what everybody does in a newsgroup, namely
make use
of the functions of a newsgroup under Scriptural standards. You
surely did
not like that... But Griz has not posted here for years, but you
can still not get over it.
Jani
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
I read a little bit of this quickly and except for the bitterness
we all feel because of what happened to Griz and G. N. Runner (and
myself), what G.
N. Runner is saying is true. Was there mistakes made, I'm sure but
nothing
that required a lynching. And that's what we all got, a public
lynching, lets face it. (The truth will stand when the worlds on
fire) So VERY many lie were told about us and have continued to be
repeated even
to this day that most of it is now excepted as truth.
There is a major part of this WHOLE thing that was never brought
out publicly....
The Holy Spirit moved in great strength and power in the Acc chat
room one
night, touching many but within the next 48 hours the "Acc War" had
begun.
Funny how your prospective can change when you think about the
truth. In the end the "Fellowship" broke apart because of fighting
amongst ourselves.
The choices were to leave, fight, or suffer.
I tried all three.
Go figure.
The old gang isn't ever coming back. I loved those "guys".
Now there is just to many BETTER ways to fellowship with believers,
blogs,
myspace, web sites, whatever.
I keep coming back to the old saying,
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind!"
Tbc ...
TBC are you saying what the Building Crew did was right. Including
what was done to Woz?
What exactly are you saying?
Matt
I believe I stated that mistakes were made, yes, but in the
beginning the premise was that the group would fellowship on Acc and
not respond to "Trolls, Flamers, and the like. All false doctrine
was responded to by Griz
and he took GREAT care to NOT respond in anger.
Naw, he just called them 'spirit trolls' and told them to get out of
'his' newsgroup.
That is what generally is done with trolls in the usenet.
|
Except that there's a difference between 'trolls' and 'people who don't
agree with Griz'.
| Quote: |
You will give proof of where exactly he wrote "my newsgroup".
|
Have you forgotten his lengthy posts about his 'signs from God' that he was
to take over ACC and be its leader?
| Quote: |
I also talked about lies that were now accepted as "truth".
"Wos" was a twelve year old boy playing on his dad's computer,
flaming EVERY
post and reply with his anti-Paul nonsense, using a e-mail generator
that made it impossible to block him. (I know Mark T believe "Wos"
to be someone
else but he is mistaken. There is a difference between someone who is
mistaken and a blatant liar. (i.e. see David Mathieu)
Oh, come on. Griz *himself* said that Woz was older than 12.
Which would make it even worse. If he was a child, his ebhavior could have
been apologized... But as an adult?
|
Either way, it's a pity no-one looked further into the appalling breach of
customer confidence by the ISP in question. If, of course, it ever happened
anywhere except in Griz's imagination.
| Quote: |
Of
course, that could have been because he realised that rational people
would think it pretty weird that a grown man couldn't cope with a
12-year-old on Usenet without resorting to sledgehammer tactics.
Trolling newsgroups are sledgehammer tactics, aiming at hurting people and
destroy their fellowship.
|
Woz had as much right to post to the group as Griz did. Griz didn't want to
accept that. Griz was a control freak, Woz wasn't. *shrug*
Jani |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Tbc ....
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
"Jani" <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote in message
news:g8cllr$8l3$1@energise.enta.net...
| Quote: |
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gqog7Fh1uc9U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g896cj$5l9$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Tbc ...." <praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote in message
news:732c5$48a808e3$d066ed82$15286@FUSE.NET...
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different gospel
from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult, that is
the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us
were Christians who were regular members at a local church. All
we tried was living according to Christian standards in ACC as
well - especially to love one another, something that cannot be
seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member at a
local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do you
not remember out Church Prayer List?
and he and his minions were trying to run an
unmoderated Usenet group along cult lines.
That is wrong. He was trying to get the Christians in ACC to the
Christian
Scriptural standards - something you have no idea about as
someone who is
outside of the Christian faith. You simply hate Griz for telling
you the
truth. You could have blocked him if you did not like him or his
ideas. He
did nothing else from what everybody does in a newsgroup, namely
make use
of the functions of a newsgroup under Scriptural standards. You
surely did
not like that... But Griz has not posted here for years, but you
can still not get over it.
Jani
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
I read a little bit of this quickly and except for the bitterness
we all feel because of what happened to Griz and G. N. Runner (and
myself), what G.
N. Runner is saying is true. Was there mistakes made, I'm sure but
nothing
that required a lynching. And that's what we all got, a public
lynching, lets face it. (The truth will stand when the worlds on
fire) So VERY many lie were told about us and have continued to be
repeated even
to this day that most of it is now excepted as truth.
There is a major part of this WHOLE thing that was never brought
out publicly....
The Holy Spirit moved in great strength and power in the Acc chat
room one
night, touching many but within the next 48 hours the "Acc War" had
begun.
Funny how your prospective can change when you think about the
truth. In the end the "Fellowship" broke apart because of fighting
amongst ourselves.
The choices were to leave, fight, or suffer.
I tried all three.
Go figure.
The old gang isn't ever coming back. I loved those "guys".
Now there is just to many BETTER ways to fellowship with believers,
blogs,
myspace, web sites, whatever.
I keep coming back to the old saying,
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind!"
Tbc ...
TBC are you saying what the Building Crew did was right. Including
what was done to Woz?
What exactly are you saying?
Matt
I believe I stated that mistakes were made, yes, but in the
beginning the premise was that the group would fellowship on Acc and
not respond to "Trolls, Flamers, and the like. All false doctrine
was responded to by Griz
and he took GREAT care to NOT respond in anger.
Naw, he just called them 'spirit trolls' and told them to get out of
'his' newsgroup.
That is what generally is done with trolls in the usenet.
Except that there's a difference between 'trolls' and 'people who don't
agree with Griz'.
You will give proof of where exactly he wrote "my newsgroup".
Have you forgotten his lengthy posts about his 'signs from God' that he
was to take over ACC and be its leader?
I also talked about lies that were now accepted as "truth".
"Wos" was a twelve year old boy playing on his dad's computer,
flaming EVERY
post and reply with his anti-Paul nonsense, using a e-mail generator
that made it impossible to block him. (I know Mark T believe "Wos"
to be someone
else but he is mistaken. There is a difference between someone who is
mistaken and a blatant liar. (i.e. see David Mathieu)
Oh, come on. Griz *himself* said that Woz was older than 12.
Which would make it even worse. If he was a child, his ebhavior could
have been apologized... But as an adult?
Either way, it's a pity no-one looked further into the appalling breach of
customer confidence by the ISP in question. If, of course, it ever
happened anywhere except in Griz's imagination.
Of
course, that could have been because he realised that rational people
would think it pretty weird that a grown man couldn't cope with a
12-year-old on Usenet without resorting to sledgehammer tactics.
Trolling newsgroups are sledgehammer tactics, aiming at hurting people
and destroy their fellowship.
Woz had as much right to post to the group as Griz did. Griz didn't want
to accept that. Griz was a control freak, Woz wasn't. *shrug*
Jani
|
Yeah, yeah, yeah ...
Griz was BAD and Woz was good, right, whatever you say, and satanist are
NICE folk.
Right Jani, right
<Geesh>
Tbc ... |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
::: good news runner :::
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
In news:g8cllr$8l3$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
| Quote: | " ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gqog7Fh1uc9U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g896cj$5l9$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Tbc ...." <praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote in message
news:732c5$48a808e3$d066ed82$15286@FUSE.NET...
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in
message news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different
gospel from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult,
that is the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us
were Christians who were regular members at a local church.
All we tried was living according to Christian standards in
ACC as well - especially to love one another, something that
cannot be seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member
at a local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do
you not remember out Church Prayer List?
and he and his minions were trying to run an
unmoderated Usenet group along cult lines.
That is wrong. He was trying to get the Christians in ACC to the
Christian
Scriptural standards - something you have no idea about as
someone who is
outside of the Christian faith. You simply hate Griz for telling
you the
truth. You could have blocked him if you did not like him or his
ideas. He
did nothing else from what everybody does in a newsgroup, namely
make use
of the functions of a newsgroup under Scriptural standards. You
surely did
not like that... But Griz has not posted here for years, but
you can still not get over it.
Jani
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
I read a little bit of this quickly and except for the bitterness
we all feel because of what happened to Griz and G. N. Runner
(and myself), what G.
N. Runner is saying is true. Was there mistakes made, I'm sure
but nothing
that required a lynching. And that's what we all got, a public
lynching, lets face it. (The truth will stand when the worlds on
fire) So VERY many lie were told about us and have continued to
be repeated even
to this day that most of it is now excepted as truth.
There is a major part of this WHOLE thing that was never brought
out publicly....
The Holy Spirit moved in great strength and power in the Acc chat
room one
night, touching many but within the next 48 hours the "Acc War"
had begun.
Funny how your prospective can change when you think about the
truth. In the end the "Fellowship" broke apart because of
fighting amongst ourselves.
The choices were to leave, fight, or suffer.
I tried all three.
Go figure.
The old gang isn't ever coming back. I loved those "guys".
Now there is just to many BETTER ways to fellowship with
believers, blogs,
myspace, web sites, whatever.
I keep coming back to the old saying,
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind!"
Tbc ...
TBC are you saying what the Building Crew did was right. Including
what was done to Woz?
What exactly are you saying?
Matt
I believe I stated that mistakes were made, yes, but in the
beginning the premise was that the group would fellowship on Acc
and not respond to "Trolls, Flamers, and the like. All false
doctrine was responded to by Griz
and he took GREAT care to NOT respond in anger.
Naw, he just called them 'spirit trolls' and told them to get out of
'his' newsgroup.
That is what generally is done with trolls in the usenet.
Except that there's a difference between 'trolls' and 'people who
don't agree with Griz'.
You will give proof of where exactly he wrote "my newsgroup".
Have you forgotten his lengthy posts about his 'signs from God' that
he was to take over ACC and be its leader?
|
You will give a link or the post with headers or be quiet.
| Quote: | I also talked about lies that were now accepted as "truth".
"Wos" was a twelve year old boy playing on his dad's computer,
flaming EVERY
post and reply with his anti-Paul nonsense, using a e-mail
generator that made it impossible to block him. (I know Mark T
believe "Wos" to be someone
else but he is mistaken. There is a difference between someone who
is mistaken and a blatant liar. (i.e. see David Mathieu)
Oh, come on. Griz *himself* said that Woz was older than 12.
Which would make it even worse. If he was a child, his ebhavior
could have been apologized... But as an adult?
Either way, it's a pity no-one looked further into the appalling
breach of customer confidence by the ISP in question. If, of course,
it ever happened anywhere except in Griz's imagination.
|
How do I know?
I only know that Griz is one of the most caring persons I have met, and
he has surely not deserved the treatment he got here.
| Quote: | Of
course, that could have been because he realised that rational
people would think it pretty weird that a grown man couldn't cope
with a 12-year-old on Usenet without resorting to sledgehammer
tactics.
Trolling newsgroups are sledgehammer tactics, aiming at hurting
people and destroy their fellowship.
Woz had as much right to post to the group as Griz did. Griz didn't
want to accept that. Griz was a control freak, Woz wasn't. *shrug*
|
Obviously he was - if he abused the people's nicks... and escaped the
kill-filing by manipulating the computers of the posters...
But what do I know... I was not there then.
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp ::::::: |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Jani
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gql8oFgtol3U1@mid.individual.net...
| Quote: | In news:g895db$3uo$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different gospel
from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult, that is the
Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
He provides a medium for *different* views of Christianity to be
presented, which is about as far from a 'cult' as you can get.
At the same time he claims to be a Baptist pastor, and acted like on when
he came to ACC. His doctrine is outside of the Christian doctrine.
Scripture does not support him. He is an enemy to the cross and the Body
of Christ, and a lover of the world - he did represent himself as such,
and worse, he also smeared and libelled Christians on his website. The
so-called "truth" of Mark T and OWD ist still out there on his page,
though he did delete full names.
|
Of course there are other views of Christianity on there, besides the one
you happen to prefer. That's the whole point, and that's why it's not a
'cult'.
| Quote: |
I am glad that I did not leave here, or adopt to the lies he and his crew
have spread here. I do not care if people are gay or homosexual, as long
as they do not start twisting and perverting the Gospel in the mass media.
|
Gay Christians probably don't care if you're straight, as long you don't
harass and hound them because their interpretation of scripture is different
from yours.
He came with his crew Bradley and Lawrence who tried to get me
| Quote: | down, but they could not. I am still standing. Guess why?
|
Because your initial excitement at finding a new religion has turned to
obsession?
| Quote: |
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us were
Christians who were regular members at a local church. All we
tried was living according to Christian standards in ACC as well
- especially to love one another, something that cannot be seen
much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member at a
local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do you
not remember out Church Prayer List?
He posted the name of a church on it, sure, but his introduction /
testimony stated that he had *left* several RL churches, and that his
'ministry' and 'calling' were solely focused on the Internet.
There is no reason why I should doubt his membership to the church he
wrote on the prayer list. He also appreciated this list very much - so
what is your idea? Do you want to smear this man a little more than you
have done already?
This might have been true for a while probably, while he was looking for a
new church. Yet I would like to see a post in which he said such a thing.
Griz has always supported people going to church regularly. In the time I
have been here I have not seen him say such a thing. There are a number of
Christians around who are looking for a church, so what is the problem
with this anyway?
|
You're the one who said all the people on ACC were regular churchgoers.
Jani |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
::: good news runner :::
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 2:11 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
In news:g8cntj$ch7$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
| Quote: | " ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gql8oFgtol3U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g895db$3uo$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in
message news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different gospel
from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult, that is
the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
He provides a medium for *different* views of Christianity to be
presented, which is about as far from a 'cult' as you can get.
At the same time he claims to be a Baptist pastor, and acted like on
when he came to ACC. His doctrine is outside of the Christian
doctrine. Scripture does not support him. He is an enemy to the
cross and the Body of Christ, and a lover of the world - he did
represent himself as such, and worse, he also smeared and libelled
Christians on his website. The so-called "truth" of Mark T and OWD
ist still out there on his page, though he did delete full names.
Of course there are other views of Christianity on there, besides the
one you happen to prefer. That's the whole point, and that's why it's
not a 'cult'.
|
Nonsense. It is not about people's opinions. The whole point is that it
is GOD who says who His Saints are - not the people. If an "opinion" is
not in Scripture, it is anything but Christian. If people with such an
opinion (Mark T, R. Croucher and team, Glenn McClary, "Pastor" Dave
etc.) still claim to be Christian, they are CULTISTS, far away from the
Christian faith.
| Quote: | I am glad that I did not leave here, or adopt to the lies he and his
crew have spread here. I do not care if people are gay or
homosexual, as long as they do not start twisting and perverting the
Gospel in the mass media.
Gay Christians probably don't care if you're straight, as long you
don't harass and hound them because their interpretation of scripture
is different from yours.
|
I do not care what they do as long as they do not spam a Christian
newsgroup with blasphemy to mislead the nations.
| Quote: | He came with his crew Bradley and Lawrence who tried to get me
down, but they could not. I am still standing. Guess why?
Because your initial excitement at finding a new religion has turned
to obsession?
|
You say it. I am completely obsessed with God.
Thanks for the compliment.
| Quote: | Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us
were Christians who were regular members at a local church.
All we tried was living according to Christian standards in
ACC as well - especially to love one another, something that
cannot be seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member at
a local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do you
not remember out Church Prayer List?
He posted the name of a church on it, sure, but his introduction /
testimony stated that he had *left* several RL churches, and that
his 'ministry' and 'calling' were solely focused on the Internet.
There is no reason why I should doubt his membership to the church he
wrote on the prayer list. He also appreciated this list very much -
so what is your idea? Do you want to smear this man a little more
than you have done already?
This might have been true for a while probably, while he was looking
for a new church. Yet I would like to see a post in which he said
such a thing. Griz has always supported people going to church
regularly. In the time I have been here I have not seen him say such
a thing. There are a number of Christians around who are looking for
a church, so what is the problem with this anyway?
You're the one who said all the people on ACC were regular
churchgoers.
|
Yet you could not bring a link to where Griz had written what you claim.
Too bad... Who would believe you?
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp ::::::: |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Jani
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gu5emFhn7ngU1@mid.individual.net...
| Quote: | In news:g8cllr$8l3$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gqog7Fh1uc9U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g896cj$5l9$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Tbc ...." <praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote in message
news:732c5$48a808e3$d066ed82$15286@FUSE.NET...
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in
message news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different
gospel from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult,
that is the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us
were Christians who were regular members at a local church.
All we tried was living according to Christian standards in
ACC as well - especially to love one another, something that
cannot be seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member
at a local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do
you not remember out Church Prayer List?
and he and his minions were trying to run an
unmoderated Usenet group along cult lines.
That is wrong. He was trying to get the Christians in ACC to the
Christian
Scriptural standards - something you have no idea about as
someone who is
outside of the Christian faith. You simply hate Griz for telling
you the
truth. You could have blocked him if you did not like him or his
ideas. He
did nothing else from what everybody does in a newsgroup, namely
make use
of the functions of a newsgroup under Scriptural standards. You
surely did
not like that... But Griz has not posted here for years, but
you can still not get over it.
Jani
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
I read a little bit of this quickly and except for the bitterness
we all feel because of what happened to Griz and G. N. Runner
(and myself), what G.
N. Runner is saying is true. Was there mistakes made, I'm sure
but nothing
that required a lynching. And that's what we all got, a public
lynching, lets face it. (The truth will stand when the worlds on
fire) So VERY many lie were told about us and have continued to
be repeated even
to this day that most of it is now excepted as truth.
There is a major part of this WHOLE thing that was never brought
out publicly....
The Holy Spirit moved in great strength and power in the Acc chat
room one
night, touching many but within the next 48 hours the "Acc War"
had begun.
Funny how your prospective can change when you think about the
truth. In the end the "Fellowship" broke apart because of fighting
amongst ourselves.
The choices were to leave, fight, or suffer.
I tried all three.
Go figure.
The old gang isn't ever coming back. I loved those "guys".
Now there is just to many BETTER ways to fellowship with
believers, blogs,
myspace, web sites, whatever.
I keep coming back to the old saying,
"An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind!"
Tbc ...
TBC are you saying what the Building Crew did was right. Including
what was done to Woz?
What exactly are you saying?
Matt
I believe I stated that mistakes were made, yes, but in the
beginning the premise was that the group would fellowship on Acc
and not respond to "Trolls, Flamers, and the like. All false
doctrine was responded to by Griz
and he took GREAT care to NOT respond in anger.
Naw, he just called them 'spirit trolls' and told them to get out of
'his' newsgroup.
That is what generally is done with trolls in the usenet.
Except that there's a difference between 'trolls' and 'people who
don't agree with Griz'.
You will give proof of where exactly he wrote "my newsgroup".
Have you forgotten his lengthy posts about his 'signs from God' that
he was to take over ACC and be its leader?
You will give a link or the post with headers or be quiet.
|
Stamping your little foot there, Vera? And what, exactly, will you do if I
don't obey your orders?
Jani
| Quote: |
I also talked about lies that were now accepted as "truth".
"Wos" was a twelve year old boy playing on his dad's computer,
flaming EVERY
post and reply with his anti-Paul nonsense, using a e-mail
generator that made it impossible to block him. (I know Mark T
believe "Wos" to be someone
else but he is mistaken. There is a difference between someone who
is mistaken and a blatant liar. (i.e. see David Mathieu)
Oh, come on. Griz *himself* said that Woz was older than 12.
Which would make it even worse. If he was a child, his ebhavior
could have been apologized... But as an adult?
Either way, it's a pity no-one looked further into the appalling
breach of customer confidence by the ISP in question. If, of course,
it ever happened anywhere except in Griz's imagination.
How do I know?
I only know that Griz is one of the most caring persons I have met, and he
has surely not deserved the treatment he got here.
Of
course, that could have been because he realised that rational
people would think it pretty weird that a grown man couldn't cope
with a 12-year-old on Usenet without resorting to sledgehammer
tactics.
Trolling newsgroups are sledgehammer tactics, aiming at hurting
people and destroy their fellowship.
Woz had as much right to post to the group as Griz did. Griz didn't
want to accept that. Griz was a control freak, Woz wasn't. *shrug*
Obviously he was - if he abused the people's nicks... and escaped the
kill-filing by manipulating the computers of the posters...
But what do I know... I was not there then.
Jani
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
|
|
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Jani
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:17 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gu6slFh75moU1@mid.individual.net...
| Quote: | In news:g8cntj$ch7$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gql8oFgtol3U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g895db$3uo$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in
message news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different gospel
from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult, that is
the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
He provides a medium for *different* views of Christianity to be
presented, which is about as far from a 'cult' as you can get.
At the same time he claims to be a Baptist pastor, and acted like on
when he came to ACC. His doctrine is outside of the Christian
doctrine. Scripture does not support him. He is an enemy to the
cross and the Body of Christ, and a lover of the world - he did
represent himself as such, and worse, he also smeared and libelled
Christians on his website. The so-called "truth" of Mark T and OWD
ist still out there on his page, though he did delete full names.
Of course there are other views of Christianity on there, besides the
one you happen to prefer. That's the whole point, and that's why it's
not a 'cult'.
Nonsense. It is not about people's opinions. The whole point is that it is
GOD who says who His Saints are - not the people. If an "opinion" is not
in Scripture, it is anything but Christian. If people with such an opinion
(Mark T, R. Croucher and team, Glenn McClary, "Pastor" Dave etc.) still
claim to be Christian, they are CULTISTS, far away from the Christian
faith.
|
Which is nothing more than your *opinion*, and not a particularly
well-informed opinion at that.
| Quote: |
I am glad that I did not leave here, or adopt to the lies he and his
crew have spread here. I do not care if people are gay or
homosexual, as long as they do not start twisting and perverting the
Gospel in the mass media.
Gay Christians probably don't care if you're straight, as long you
don't harass and hound them because their interpretation of scripture
is different from yours.
I do not care what they do as long as they do not spam a Christian
newsgroup with blasphemy to mislead the nations.
|
Since no-one is doing that, you can probably stop whingeing about it, then.
| Quote: |
He came with his crew Bradley and Lawrence who tried to get me
down, but they could not. I am still standing. Guess why?
Because your initial excitement at finding a new religion has turned
to obsession?
You say it. I am completely obsessed with God.
Thanks for the compliment.
|
'God' and 'religion' are not synonymous.
| Quote: |
Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your friends
than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie. All of us
were Christians who were regular members at a local church.
All we tried was living according to Christian standards in
ACC as well - especially to love one another, something that
cannot be seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member at
a local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do you
not remember out Church Prayer List?
He posted the name of a church on it, sure, but his introduction /
testimony stated that he had *left* several RL churches, and that
his 'ministry' and 'calling' were solely focused on the Internet.
There is no reason why I should doubt his membership to the church he
wrote on the prayer list. He also appreciated this list very much -
so what is your idea? Do you want to smear this man a little more
than you have done already?
This might have been true for a while probably, while he was looking
for a new church. Yet I would like to see a post in which he said
such a thing. Griz has always supported people going to church
regularly. In the time I have been here I have not seen him say such
a thing. There are a number of Christians around who are looking for
a church, so what is the problem with this anyway?
You're the one who said all the people on ACC were regular
churchgoers.
Yet you could not bring a link to where Griz had written what you claim.
Too bad... Who would believe you?
|
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/2356e669f35a580f?hl=en&dmode=source
Jani |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
::: good news runner :::
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:40 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
In news:g8crpu$jhl$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
| Quote: | Have you forgotten his lengthy posts about his 'signs from God' that
he was to take over ACC and be its leader?
You will give a link or the post with headers or be quiet.
Stamping your little foot there, Vera? And what, exactly, will you do
if I don't obey your orders?
|
Orders?
You are claiming things without any proof - and the way you are behaving
you are losing your credibility, that is all.
It seems all you are doing is smearing Griz while he has been absent for
years.... How deep is your hate towards him?
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp :::::::
| Quote: | I also talked about lies that were now accepted as "truth".
"Wos" was a twelve year old boy playing on his dad's computer,
flaming EVERY
post and reply with his anti-Paul nonsense, using a e-mail
generator that made it impossible to block him. (I know Mark T
believe "Wos" to be someone
else but he is mistaken. There is a difference between someone
who is mistaken and a blatant liar. (i.e. see David Mathieu)
Oh, come on. Griz *himself* said that Woz was older than 12.
Which would make it even worse. If he was a child, his ebhavior
could have been apologized... But as an adult?
Either way, it's a pity no-one looked further into the appalling
breach of customer confidence by the ISP in question. If, of course,
it ever happened anywhere except in Griz's imagination.
How do I know?
I only know that Griz is one of the most caring persons I have met,
and he has surely not deserved the treatment he got here.
Of
course, that could have been because he realised that rational
people would think it pretty weird that a grown man couldn't cope
with a 12-year-old on Usenet without resorting to sledgehammer
tactics.
Trolling newsgroups are sledgehammer tactics, aiming at hurting
people and destroy their fellowship.
Woz had as much right to post to the group as Griz did. Griz didn't
want to accept that. Griz was a control freak, Woz wasn't. *shrug*
Obviously he was - if he abused the people's nicks... and escaped the
kill-filing by manipulating the computers of the posters...
But what do I know... I was not there then.
Jani
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp ::::::: |
|
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Jani
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
"<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:3820fe28-9863-4c5a-ac42-7fd830f7908a@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 18, 3:07 pm, "Jani" <j...@jani.adsl24.co.uk> wrote:
| Quote: | Stamping your little foot there, Vera? And what, exactly, will you do if
I
don't obey your orders?
Maybe she's got some witchy spells left over from the old days...
;-)
|
Heh. The way she and TBC are currently insisting that I'm Wiccan, perhaps
they're the ones who should be worried about a sudden urge to catch flies
with their tongues and say Ribbit ;-)
Jani |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
::: good news runner :::
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
In news:g8cse3$km3$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
| Quote: | " ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gu6slFh75moU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g8cntj$ch7$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gql8oFgtol3U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g895db$3uo$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in
message news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in
message news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different
gospel from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult,
that is the Croucher site,
A site which posts different perspectives on Christianity, for
discussion, is not a "cult site" by anyone's definition, Vera.
Scripturally it is. Rowland has left the Christian doctrine and
made up an
own - that is a cult.
He provides a medium for *different* views of Christianity to be
presented, which is about as far from a 'cult' as you can get.
At the same time he claims to be a Baptist pastor, and acted like
on when he came to ACC. His doctrine is outside of the Christian
doctrine. Scripture does not support him. He is an enemy to the
cross and the Body of Christ, and a lover of the world - he did
represent himself as such, and worse, he also smeared and libelled
Christians on his website. The so-called "truth" of Mark T and OWD
ist still out there on his page, though he did delete full names.
Of course there are other views of Christianity on there, besides
the one you happen to prefer. That's the whole point, and that's
why it's not a 'cult'.
Nonsense. It is not about people's opinions. The whole point is that
it is GOD who says who His Saints are - not the people. If an
"opinion" is not in Scripture, it is anything but Christian. If
people with such an opinion (Mark T, R. Croucher and team, Glenn
McClary, "Pastor" Dave etc.) still claim to be Christian, they are
CULTISTS, far away from the Christian faith.
Which is nothing more than your *opinion*, and not a particularly
well-informed opinion at that.
|
Not really. Fact is that the Christian faith is BASED on Scripture, and
that is where I base my "opinion" on. But they deviate from it - that is
the difference between them and me, and they KNOW what they proclaim is
UNSCRIPTURAL. In fact, they OPPOSE Scripture, and that is what makes
them not only cultists, but evil as well, because they are
contra-productive to the Word of God.
| Quote: | I am glad that I did not leave here, or adopt to the lies he and
his crew have spread here. I do not care if people are gay or
homosexual, as long as they do not start twisting and perverting
the Gospel in the mass media.
Gay Christians probably don't care if you're straight, as long you
don't harass and hound them because their interpretation of
scripture is different from yours.
I do not care what they do as long as they do not spam a Christian
newsgroup with blasphemy to mislead the nations.
Since no-one is doing that, you can probably stop whingeing about it,
then.
|
Great that no-one is doing that anymore!
What is "whingeing"? Sorry, my bad English, you know...
| Quote: | He came with his crew Bradley and Lawrence who tried to get me
down, but they could not. I am still standing. Guess why?
Because your initial excitement at finding a new religion has turned
to obsession?
You say it. I am completely obsessed with God.
Thanks for the compliment.
'God' and 'religion' are not synonymous.
|
Oh, you did know that? I did not want to confuse you even more than you
are.
| Quote: | Whatever we had in ACC, it was WITHIN the Gospel of Christ, a
doctrine common in the mainstream churches. Not that they must
necessarily be correct... but then I believe that the Lord has
protected them in the last
2000 years. He can. If it had all been wrong, He would not have
allowed over such a long time.
or it was your site with all the questionable "Christian"
witness on it. lol A "cult", that is more you and your
friends than we have ever been. Yet you made up this lie.
All of us were Christians who were regular members at a
local church. All we tried was living according to Christian
standards in ACC as well - especially to love one another,
something that cannot be seen much here nowadays anymore.
Vera, that is simply not true. Griz wasn't a "regular member
at a local church",
Sure he was and is. How comes you say such lies about him? Do
you not remember out Church Prayer List?
He posted the name of a church on it, sure, but his introduction /
testimony stated that he had *left* several RL churches, and that
his 'ministry' and 'calling' were solely focused on the Internet.
There is no reason why I should doubt his membership to the church
he wrote on the prayer list. He also appreciated this list very
much - so what is your idea? Do you want to smear this man a
little more than you have done already?
This might have been true for a while probably, while he was
looking for a new church. Yet I would like to see a post in which
he said such a thing. Griz has always supported people going to
church regularly. In the time I have been here I have not seen him
say such a thing. There are a number of Christians around who are
looking for a church, so what is the problem with this anyway?
You're the one who said all the people on ACC were regular
churchgoers.
Yet you could not bring a link to where Griz had written what you
claim. Too bad... Who would believe you?
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/2356e669f35a580f?hl=en&dmode=source
|
As I said... He was looking for a church when he wrote that... Nowhere
did he claim he was "solely focused on the Internet" as you claimed - or
did I miss that?
Jani, I will not continue talking about Griz with you while he is
absent. I do not like it when you smear him like you do after such a
long time of his absence. What he did in ACC was good, and we Christians
and those who were not just here to tear us into peaces had a great time
together. If I remember correctly, you were welcomed by me then too, and
it was only when you started your smear that I closed the doors...
metaphorically speaking lacking a better expression.
EOD
--
___________________________________________________
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
::::::: http://alpha.org/default.asp ::::::: |
|
| |
|
| Back to top |
Jani
Guest
|
| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Mobbers and Cyber Bullies of the Week - Just the Worst: |
|
|
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gudftFhjeplU1@mid.individual.net...
| Quote: | In news:g8cse3$km3$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gu6slFh75moU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g8cntj$ch7$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:6gql8oFgtol3U1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g895db$3uo$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
"Matt ." <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com > wrote in message
news:97afa4t32gqtu0l9l4pdp8e9js95n5b5lm@4ax.com...
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:25:51 -0400, "Tbc ...."
praynow@foot-of-cross977xss3.com> wrote:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in
message news:6goodlFgoaesU1@mid.individual.net...
In news:g86mph$1r3v$1@energise.enta.net,
Jani <jani@jani.adsl24.co.uk> typed:
" ::: good news runner :::" <veralein@lycos.com> wrote in
message news:6gjm79Fekf4mU1@mid.individual.net...
[]
And it is still there with all the lies
about a "cult". A cult is something that has a different
gospel from the Body of Christ - which we never had. A cult,
that is the Croucher site,
< |
| |
