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"thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> writes:
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"Cary Kittrell" <cary@afone.as.arizona.edu> skrev i en meddelelse
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In article "thomas p." <gudloos@yahoo.com> writes:
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The three of them believe that what they say is automatically true and
that
it is rude to ask them for evidence. Their evasion styles differ
slightly.
Actually, I'd lay odds -- as I've implied already -- that the three
of them are actually the one of them.
It would not be the first time. I have never understood the point of
playing such games. To me it is an admission that one's position is
invalid, or maybe somebody thinks they are being funny and clever?
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I think it's an attempted "fifty million sockpuppets can't be
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Cary Kittrell
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: 75 percent of Americans support gays serving openly in t |
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In article <9f204da7-cb22-416b-b86e-fc87e258575d@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Raleigh <graleigh345@cs.com> writes:
| Quote: | On Aug 18, 12:39=A0pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <e2f0e88f-3753-4b6b-9c6b-7d9f39469...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.=
com> Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com> writes:
On Aug 17, 8:00=3DA0am, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Raleigh" <graleigh...@cs.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:d976d51c-a18=
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On Aug 15, 3:23 pm, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Aug 14, 2:30 pm, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Interesting credentials. Isn't cat-herding like pandering? I'm just
curious.
Raleigh
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thomas
You were just trying to be insulting. It was totally lacking in any
substance, which is quite consistent with your non-argument against
homosexuality.
It does indicate why I am not impressed with the credentials of the
know-it-alls here. Dr. Demento has similar credentials.
Raleigh
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thomas
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Does a person who proclaims himself a herder of cats expect to be
refuted? Just curious.
Raleigh
Has the Empire set up a Whimsy Embargo on your home planet,
or what?
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Hey, I'm not the cat herder.
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OK. Got it.
But I'll try to take you seriously anyhow.
| Quote: | In conversations so deadly serious that
people call each other "bigots" "perverts," "apostates," "out for
blood fundies," and all sorts of other evil epithets, whimsy would
seem out of place and clueless, no?
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Actually, I can't think of a situation where it would be
more needed.
But that aside, let us consider the following three points.
1) That's Brenda's .sig. It is auto-appended to every one of
her posts.
2) That's Brenda's .sig. It is auto-appended to every one of
her posts.
3) That's Brenda's .sig. It is auto-appended to every one of
her posts.
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Cary Kittrell
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: 75 percent of Americans support gays serving openly in t |
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In article <60434d76-d5c1-48ae-bc6d-cba3d88854ba@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> Raleigh <graleigh345@cs.com> writes:
| Quote: | On Aug 18, 11:48=A0am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
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om> Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com> writes:
On Aug 15, 1:32=3DA0pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote=
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On Aug 15, 4:45=3D3DA0am, Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com> wrote:
On Aug 14, 2:30=3D3DA0pm, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
Brenda Nelson, A.A.#34
BAAWA Knight
EAC Professor of Feline Thermometrics and Cat-Herding
skyeyes nine at cox dot net
Interesting credentials. Isn't cat-herding like pandering? I'm ju=
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curious.
No. =3DA0It's like trying to teach to all you invincibly ignorant t=
heists
to think and reason. Except that rounding up cats and making them a=
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walk in the same direction at the same time is infinitely easier.
I suspect he meant panda-ing. =3DA0Extremely difficult: you
try hiting them with the bamboo switch, they just eat it.
-- cary
Yes. Anyone who compares educational opportunities for humans to
herding cats has little or no respect for human beings.
And you are somehow of the impression that every poster on
Usenet who has acannedsigintends thatauto-sigto apply
specifically to every single post she replies to?
If so then.....welcoome to Usenet!! We realize it's your first
day, but don't worry -- we have much to teach you.
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Au contaire, my catherdess. I have been on usenet since the days when
auto-sigs were banned to save band width. Apparently broadband is like
the cellphone. It just offers people such as yourself more
opportunities to show what twits they are.
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On Aug 19, 11:10 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
| Quote: | modematic wrote:
On Aug 19, 10:26 am, "thomas p." <gudl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"modematic" <modema...@operamail.com> skrev i en meddelelsenews:
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On Aug 19, 7:59 am, Diana <diana...@notachance.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:16:50 -0700 (PDT), modematic
snippage
Then you claim that a descriptive approach to a dictionary is better
than a prescriptive one.
_Liar_. Go back up the thread, and show me by quoting where
I said anything like that. What a big fat liar.
What are you, twelve?
That doesn't answer the question. Go back up the thread.
Quote anything I said like that would support this lie.
You misrepresented my argument.
Very probably purposely.
It is a straw man from a straw woman.
But you won't take the challenge to simply read
above in the thread and post a quotation of anywhere
I said that I prefer descriptive to prescriptive.
In short, you did lie, and I caught you on it.
And you have no answer.
Go ahead, it's easy enough to do: simply
read above in the thread and quote where
I said I prefer one to the other. Do it now
for all to see.
Or admit you lied.
What will she do!? The excitement mounts!
The smoke from that burning straw man must
be slowing her down. Or maybe school is starting
tomorrow. Or maybe she wants me to pursue the
arguments at the bottom of her post, which I'm
perfectly willing to do once we get this lie
cleared up.
Her history when she's caught lying is that she cuts and runs.
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John Manning
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•R. L. Measures wrote:
| Quote: | In article <5s8ka4h563aptttqab120v0gl5d3f5pt4k@4ax.com>, Diana
dianaiad@notachance.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:17:57 -0700, r@somis.org (•R. L. Measures)
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In article <6gria4d2fs1tp09pahusgi486n2p81d3uu@4ax.com>, Diana
dianaiad@notachance.com> wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:09:31 -0700, r@somis.org (•R. L. Measures)
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• At the time, Baptist ministers were preaching that God intended for
niggers to be slaves for good white folks.
"Concecrating" - i. e., stealing - food and valuables in the
wee hours
from neighboring farms at the direction of "prophet" Smith did not
friendly neighbors make.
Except of course that did not happen.
• enough
Sources, please.
• The exploits of Smith's Danite Band are documented on the Internet.
Oh, THANK you.
But you know better than that, Rich.
Sources, please.
• John Manning presented them here. Thanks John.
Is Diana blinded by the promise of becoming a Goddess in the Celestial
Impregnatorium?
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bullshit of her 'one true church' that's she's morally incapable of
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John Manning
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mg wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 17, 2:25 pm, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
This is one weird guy...
Watch BBC Video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49wOzZdWWYM
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Even as Rice stood with Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili in a show
of solidarity, he asked, "Who invited the trouble here? Who invited this
arrogance here? Who invited these innocent deaths here?"
Shaky and near tears following a difficult, nearly five-hour meeting
with her, Saakashvili answered his own question: "Not only those people
who perpetrate them are responsible, but also those people who failed to
stop it."
Rice let that pass, focusing instead on the demand that Moscow
immediately withdraw its forces.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/7728764
John, as you know, McCain says we are all Georgians now. So, obviously
we should follow the example of our new president and start chewing on
our tie also.
I wonder if Deseret Industries should get ready for a rush of
Republican robots breaking down the doors to buy cheap ties to chew
on?
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Duwaynea Anderson
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On Aug 15, 2:40 am, "Guy R. Briggs" <netz...@geocities.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | Here's the question:
Question: "What specific and verifiable action, if done by
the prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints, would deprive him of your sustaining vote?"
What specific and verifiable actions of the LDS president
did you list on August 12?
Any action that would compromise his ability to do the job.
It's an honest and complete answer, Duwayne.
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Your response is neither specific nor verifiable. What *specific* and
*verifiable* action, if done by the prophet of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints, would deprive him of your sustaining
vote?"
Why is it so hard for Mormons to answer such a simple question? I
think it's because Mormonism is a leadership cult and that the church
indoctrinates its members to believe that god will never let the
prophet do anything that would lead the members astray -- so for true
believing Mormons the question I asked can hardly be acknowledged, let
alone answered.
<snip to end>
Duwayne Anderson
Author of "Farewell to Eden: Coming to terms with Mormonism and
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Duwaynea Anderson
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On Aug 16, 9:12 pm, "Guy R. Briggs" <netz...@geocities.com> wrote:
| Quote: | r...@somis.org (•R. L. Measures) wrote:
netz...@GeoCities.com (Guy R. Briggs) wrote:
r...@somis.org wrote:
netz...@GeoCities.com wrote:
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I answered yes.
Of course, that hasn't stopped you, ever since, from saying
that I answered no. Go figure.
** I figure that: "the thinking has been done."
I agree. His thinking has been done, and there is no
confusing him with facts now that his mind is made up.
** ____
See above.
Fact: I told him "Yes, [there are things the prophet could do to
cause me to withhold my sustaining vote."
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But that didn't answer the question: "What *specific* and *verifiable*
action, if done by the prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-
day Saints, would deprive him of your sustaining vote?"
Why is it so hard for Mormons to answer such a simple question? I
think it's because Mormonism is a leadership cult and that the church
indoctrinates its members to believe that god will never let the
prophet do anything that would lead the members astray -- so for true
believing Mormons the question I asked can hardly be acknowledged, let
alone answered.
<snip to end>
Duwayne Anderson
Author of "Farewell to Eden: Coming to terms with Mormonism and
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Diana
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:16:50 -0700 (PDT), modematic
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| Quote: | On Aug 18, 9:08 pm, Diana <diana...@notachance.com> wrote:
On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:18:14 -0700 (PDT), modematic
snippage
Then you claim that a descriptive approach to a dictionary is better
than a prescriptive one.
_Liar_. Go back up the thread, and show me by quoting where
I said anything like that. What a big fat liar.
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What are you, twelve?
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Then you demand that I show you the panel of experts that the OED uses
to establish the definitions of words--thus demanding that I produce
proof of prescriptive experts for a purely descriptive process.
No, I am requiring experts for either kind of process.
Could a non-expert describe how the words are being used
in a physics essay?
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I see. The lexographers with degrees in it from prestigious English
universities are not expert enough for you?
Men like John Simpson and Edward Weiner, who have spent their entire
lives in the field of lexography, are not expert enough for you?
| Quote: | In a higher mathematics essay? Hell no.
Similarly, philosophy and words associated with it are often
technical. If you can't understand the essay, you can't understand
what the author is trying to get at with the words. Words like
athist and the variations of antitheist have some technical meanings
too.
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And you will find all of them in a dictionary as vast as the OED.
However, "atheist" and "anti-theist" are not words that can be
redefined by a small group with the express purpose of imbuing them
with negative connotations and forcing the larger group to accept
them...because that smaller group has ill intentions.
Your definition of a word does not trump that of every other English
speaker out there. That's what 'descriptive' MEANS.
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snippage
You will find the description of the compilation of the OED..which is
very much on the 'DESCRIPTIVE' side.
In _their_opinion.
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And in the opinion of everybody else, too. Certainly in the opinion of
everybody who actually has enough education to understand the
difference.
| Quote: | The 'Panel of experts" they consult is....the millions of people who
actually speak English. People all over the English speaking world
send in examples of new words, and new meanings of words already in
use.
They have to know enough to choose which examples that
are to be accepted as influences.
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Well educated lexographers do. If they do not, then nobody does.
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snippage
No 'panel of experts' there to insist that a word mean one thing, when
everybody who actually uses it means another.
But you still have to choose which populations and examples
are to be used. There is no such thing as a completely
objective dictionary.
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Have you even LOOKED at the OED? Or are you relying on Wikipedia to
tell you about it?
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And you sir, if I haven't made myself properly clear enough yet, are
an idiot.
Would that be an OED idiot, or the kind of idiot that
does not believe in the supernatural?
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That would be the sort of "spouts off stupidities without thinking,
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Diana
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:55:46 -0700 (PDT), Raleigh <graleigh345@cs.com>
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| Quote: | On Aug 16, 10:44 am, John Manning <jrobe...@terra.com.br> wrote:
Diana wrote:
On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:23:30 -0700, DanielSan
daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
Diana wrote:
On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:22:03 -0700, DanielSan
daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
Diana wrote:
On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:50:27 -0700, DanielSan
daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote:
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Ah...a true scott? A TRUE atheist wouldn't do those sorts of things?
I didn't say that atheists could not be antitheistic. I am saying that
antitheism is not a property of atheism.
The problem is, sir, that while not all atheists are anti-theists, all
anti-theists are atheists.
Nope. I have a long list of antitheistic theists. At the top of the
list is Ann Coulter.
Sorry, no. An anti-theist is against ALL theism.
Not necessarily.
A theist who is
against every OTHER brand of theism is something else.
And what is that "something else"?
....generally someone who posts attack spam on religious newsgroups.
Seriously, a theist who is against every other brand of theism but his
or her own is very busy. They have to be anti- every specific group
out there.
How about just one specific form?
Then the proper term is 'anti-that one specific form.'
The anti-Mormons who post in here are generally not anti-Baptist, or
anti-Lutheran, or anti--a whole bunch of other belief systems. They
are anti-Mormons. To call them anti-theist would be incorrect. They
are just anti- our form of theism.
I am interested
in knowing why you think that Ann Coulter is one?
http://www.nationalreview.com/coulter/coulter.shtml
"We should invade [Muslim] countries, kill their leaders and convert
them to Christianity."
How nice of you to give us the context, from which the above quote is
taken egregiously out of context.
9/11 had just happened. Anne was not being anti-theist. She was being
anti-the specific theists who supported, enabled and encouraged the
fanatics who drove the airliners into the twin towers and the
Pentagon, whose avowed aim was to invade us, kill our leaders and
civilians...and make us a Muslim (their specific brand of it) world.
She wasn't anti-theist. She was anti-fundamentalist Muslim
terrorist--reacting to something THEY did to US.
Not quite the same thing.
And you are incredibly dishonest to claim it is.
No, that's you. She wasn't anti-those-guys. She was (and still is)
anti-Muslim.
Then she is anti-Muslim.
Not anti-theist.
What is an anti-Mormon?
The word "anti-Mormon" is what's called a "thought-terminating cliché,"
or in other words, an Orwellian "newspeak" term. The purposeful use of
a word like this is a subtle brainwashing (or "conditioning," if
"brainwashing" is too strong of an expression) technique.
By arbitrarily branding all so-called "opponents" with a word
specifically designed to create a mental aversion, the leadership of an
organization cues their membership to subconsciously censor themselves
every time they use the word.
The word "bigot" serves a similar purpose to the leftwing crowd.
This is a common tactic....
Raleigh
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Actually, the term 'anti-Mormon" requires more than simple disbelief
in Mormonism. It requires more than simple criticism. One can disagree
with Mormon doctrine or practices without being an 'anti,' at least in
my book.
In order to be an anti-Mormon, one must be rude about it,
disrespectful, not only of the beliefs, but of the people holding
them. One must be actively engaged in opposing both, and (this is the
real defining element) willing to misrepresent, lie about, harrass and
demean both Mormons and Mormonism.
Anti-Mormons lie. Anti-Mormons picket and block the way into meetings.
Anti-Mormons publish misinformation about the church and the people.
They don't do all these things because they are anti-Mormon. They are
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Your Infidel
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Mr. Anderson, it not the same in my case, and I find that narcissistic
people tend to see God’s face reflected in their own face, but not in
the face of others. It is not that way with me.
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There are many things you probably are and many thing you probably are
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Just James
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Jake Horn wrote:
| Quote: | "Just James" <post_master@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:FOhqk.17103$LG4.5281@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
Jake Horn wrote:
"Just James" <post_master@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Jake Horn wrote:
"Kevin Z" <k.zoellner@comcast.net> wrote in message
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"In reality, Paris Hilton may have a more substantive energy policy
than Barack Obama."
That doesn't take much.
- Jake
Lol. You're awesome. I say just let big oil drain the earth and we'll
think about other energy sources when we "really" need to. Good grief.
I'm not saying drain the earth, that is a typical Liberal distortion, as
that will happen regardless of when we go use our own oil.
"Liberal distortion"? You can't be serious. I'm a financial conservative
who thinks the republican party has lost it's way.
What conservatives are saying is that we have the oil to use while
developing and implimenting alternative energy solutions. Why put endless
people out of work and drag the economy down when the solutions are there
and we have the oil reserves to last a long time?
Do you propose that we never use our resources?
Of course not, but I think as long as the oil companies do not have an
incentive to change they won't. I will claim ignorance here since I have
not taken the time to look it up, but are there any large oil companies
that spend as much or just a little less on R&D as they do on exploration?
I don't know the answer to that either. A friend of mine was on the ground
floor of a starup oil company that dosen't do drilling but provides services
to the larger oil companies. He explains it like this. Oil companies are
obligated by their owners, (or shareholders) to run their business in an
efficient and productive way in the short term and the best they can
predict, for the long term.
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I have an uncle-in-law that has been able to pay for his last four
houses in the last five years with cash. he is a geologist on the roles
of one of the smaller oil companies.
| Quote: | When the oil companies were quizzed about their earnings of $1400/minute of
profit, by congress, they explained that in that same minute, they paid
$4500 in taxes and another $15,000 just to keep the business running.
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Perhaps you are unaware that profit comes after all expenses. So the
$4,500 and $15,000 are already accounted for.
| Quote: | So, spending money on IR&D and exploraton is a basic economic trade between
expendature and return on investment. So, if in fact oil companies find it
difficult to build refineries, explore for more oil due to government
regulations and evnirnomental groups, then it becomes difficult to justify
spending years of planning and in some cases building a facililty just to
have some judge stop the operation from a lawsuit. There are places that
oil can be drilled from leased land, but not feasable due to the risk and
the quality of the oil. There is nothing different about how an oil company
operates from most other businesses. Much IR&D has been spent on finding
ways of refining sour crude, so oil that is now prohibitive to drill will be
in the future - if refineries can be built to process it.
If Obama raises the taxes on oil companies, it will be passed on to the
consumer, just like the minimum wage increase causes a rise in prices or
employees loosing their jobs. Our govenment makes much more on a barrel of
oil than the oil companies do, and the more they take the more expensive it
get for the consumer. It is just another way to get taxes and make the
people feel good about it because they think it came from an oil company.
- Jake
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I don't disagree. The oil company should find better ways to create
their cash crop of petroleum. However, like other American Behemoths,
they are slow to react to the shift in market forces. Like GM and their
failing product line, they need to find other products the market is
going to want and that is shifting away from oil for good or bad. The
major buyers will be India and China since they don't seem to care one
iota about environmental effects, just the economic ones.
--
Just James
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Just James
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Jake Horn wrote:
| Quote: | However, I have no idea how old the earth is or how it was created, but this
I do know: God created it.
- Jake
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How do you know?
--
Just James
"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject: Re: 75 percent of Americans support gays serving openly in t |
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On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:20:18 -0400, Pastor Dave
<ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It won't work on me -- my position is crystal clear and transparently
obvious: homosexuality has been almost universally viewed and
treated as a perversion throughout human history and around the
world. The few exceptions to this rule that you can scrounge up
don't change the rule.
-Al-
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Al Smith doesn’t address homosexuality correctly. Increase homosexual
activities have always preceded the down fall of any citification.
Yes, it is true throughout history that whenever there is a decline in
moral leadership, we eventually see the systematic destruction of its
foundation. Our moral leaders are only the pillars of our social
order, without them the roofs of government would cave in, and without
the internal moral and righteous leaders control, and check and
balances, the forces of immoral chaos would rule supreme.
Its serious outcome for human civilization is not easily seen as black
and white, but trying to view homosexuality as a perversion throughout
human history to justify a crack-down and persecution of individuals
for having openly come out in the arm forces as gays, is the same
mistake that Hitler did when he had alot of the Brown Shirts killed
because they knew he use to be a male prostitute in Austria in his
youth. It is an historical fact that Hitler rose to power with the
help of German gays, however the wanting to stop the in stoppable
power of the gay during the war, "the HJ [Hitlerjugend: movement]
boys frequently became victims of molestation at the hands of their SS
tutors." Although for public relations reasons Himmler talked a hard
line against homosexuality, he actually mitigated the penalties
against these SS molesters and concealed their activities from the
German public.
As interests in facts about Hitler and Himmler, no one except for the
forces that help rise him to power knew Hitler was gay. His assistant
Himmler had a special room in his house which was full of furniture
made up of human skin (mostly skin of Jews that were killed in
Holocaust). This moral decline in German leadership eventual result in
the persecution of individual who openly came out in the armed forces
as gays, it was a mistake for Hitler to have persecuted the
homosexuals who have help him rise to power, I think that historians
should make it clear that Hitler feared a power struggle between would
result from the SS commanders that were gay. We know from historical
fact that Hitler lost the power that help his regime rise to power
when he had adopted the policy of persecuting the homosexuals in his
elite forces. Just read what Himmler said after likening the
homosexual who was killed and thrown into the peat bog to the weeding
process in a garden, Himmler said, "...In the SS, today, we still have
about one case of homosexuality a month. In a whole year, about eight
to ten cases occur in the entire SS. I have now decided upon the
following: in each case, these people will naturally be publicly
degraded, expelled, and handed over to the courts. Following
completion of the punishment imposed by the court, they will be sent,
by my order, to a concentration camp, and they will be shot in the
concentration camp, while attempting to escape. I will make that known
by order to the unit to which the person so infected belonged.
Thereby, I hope finally to have done with persons of this type in the
SS, and the increasingly healthy blood which we are cultivating for
Germany, will be kept pure."
I hope that moral leadership in the US are not going to allow a repeat
of this mistake by the Nazis. There are homosexual now serving in the
U.S. armed forces, which if the do a good job should not be reward
with punishment imposed by the courts. When they sign-up there should
be no justification for intruding into their personal lifestyle. When
we recruit young men are force them by law to serve their country,
then they are not joining up to have heterosexual parties, but to
serve as a combat unit. This task requires that they all conform to an
acceptable order and command. No power in the arm forces can or should
be maintain by the party style of the pervert, be it heterosexual or
homosexual. Let them take it outside the arm forces, and let there be
a standard of righteousness within our arm forces. However, the policy
makers in our arm forces today want to have their cake and eat it,
they can’t have it both ways, you can’t punish gays, with doing the
same to heterosexuals.
Now, its no mystery that Himmler made contact with the American OSS,
and after the war the American OSS recruited the Nazi SS after the
war, and that a policy which Himmler had for persecuting the
homosexuals continues the in the armed forces today, just by a
different name, the Nazi SS became the American OSS, and OSS in 1947,
the OSS became the American CIA [Central Intelligence Agency].
Today we talk about CHANGE, its much in the news, but how much is real
change? I found this on the net, and I wonder if the repeat of
German’s persecution of openly gays are now rising up among us here in
America today?
Three Members of Obama’s Church Killed
Investigator close to case believes there’s more to the brutal murders
than mainstream press is letting on
By Victor Thorn
Is a Barack Obama bombshell lurking in the shadows, waiting to derail
one of the biggest Cinderella stories in recent history?
While most political prognosticators in the mainstream press presume
that Obama is the presumptive Democratic nominee for president, they
still wonder aloud if Hillary Clinton (or some other entity) has
something up their sleeve.
The bombshell may involve the murder of Donald Young, a 47-year-old
choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of
Christ—the same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20
years. Two other young black men that attended the same church—Larry
Bland and Nate Spencer—were also murdered execution style with bullets
to the backs of their heads—all within 40 days of each other,
beginning in November 2007. All three were openly homosexual.
What links this story to Barack Obama is that, according to an
acquaintance of Obama, Larry Sinclair, Obama is a closet bisexual with
whom he had sexual and drug-related encounters in November 1999.
Further, Sinclair claims that Obama was friendly with at least two of
these deceased parishioners, and that choir director Donald had
contacted him shortly before being murdered from multiple gunshot
wounds on December 23, 2007.
These killings are receiving a number of different reactions. Mike
Parker, reporting for CBS in Chicago, wrote, "Activists fear gay
African-Americans are being targeted for murder," while Marc Loveless
of the Coalition for Justice and Respect queries, "Are we under
attack? Is this a serial killer?"
An even more sinister aspect of this case is being investigated.
According to Sinclair in an affidavit to the Chicago Police
Department, Donald Young had informed him that he and Barack Obama
were "intimate" with each other. Sinclair, it should be noted,
declared on a January 18, 2008, YouTube video that on two separate
occasions in November 1999, he engaged in sexual acts with Obama, and
that Obama smoked crack cocaine—once in a limousine and the other time
at a hotel in Gurnee, Ill.
Sinclair has also asked: why would Young—whom he had never
met—initiate these calls by contacting him on cell phone numbers known
only in the Obama camp? Further, a private investigator connected to
the Chicago Police Department told the Globe, "Donald Young was
silenced because of something he knew about Obama. Donald was in a
position where he heard a lot of things and saw a lot of things
concerning Barack."
Another questionable Obama associate is openly homosexual. That person
is Stanford law professor Lawrence Lessig, who was listed during the
2008 campaign as being part of Obama’s "technology initiative."
In April, Lessig showed a video at a Google seminar entitled Jesus
Christ: The Musical where "Jesus Christ lip-syncs Gloria Gaynor’s late
1970s disco hit I Will Survive during which he strips down to just a
diaper, effeminately struts along a city street, and finally gets run
over by a speeding bus."
Are three murders within the span of 40 days among members of
America’s most discussed church—one run by the controversial Rev.
Jeremiah Wright—enough to arouse the suspicions of Chicago law
enforcement officials and members of the national media?
Or, as Sinclair wrote in a May 18 email, was the murder of Young "made
to look similar to other recent murders as to make it look as if it
were a hate crime" because he had become a political liability?
One can only hope that this isn’t the beginning of another body count
eerily reminiscent of that associated with Bill and Hillary Clinton.
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I don’t know if the above is true, or not. I only know that it is
reported that Hitler was a closet homosexual who was helped early in
his rise to power by homosexuals in the Nazi SS command. However,
Hitler feared it would lead to a power struggle, so Hitler had Himmler
go after the open gays, because then Hitler could then get rid of the
gay SS commander.
We then have the former Nazi SS infecting our American OSS, and
leading to the creation of the American CIA. Now we have this
continued Nazi persecution of the homosexual continuing in the
American armed forces. I am not trying to connect all the dots, but I
am just trying to lay it before you eyes, that it is not just as plain
as black and white in history, but a trail can be traced throughout
modern history that little changes like the Butterfly Effect, can and
will bring about big changes. Not all changes are wanted, and in our
case, the changes are being systematically introduced to appear to be
helping the gays in the armed forces, that will eventually lead to
their further persecutions.
It is sad, and very common, that whenever a leader talks about bring
about a CHANGE, and ending the persecution, he first acts like he
trying to help the situation, but all is done and said, he
accomplishes only to bring more attention to the problem, and a
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Duwaynea Anderson
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: Re: The Oracle Joshua was right! Georgia Asks China for Help |
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On Aug 18, 5:53 pm, "J O S H U A <'}}><" <josha70...@gmail.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | For I can see that good things that you bring to the table of
knowledge, but you’re being unfair with me; haven't you overlooked my
other posts? Specially the post where I talk about the blacks being
given the priesthood as a result of my prayer mighty to God.
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Why did it take so long? If The Mormon Church gave Blacks the
priesthood because you were busy praying, why did the Mormon Church
relent only after it was clear that the Civil Rights movement wasn't
going away, and was being embraced by mainstream America where the
church wanted to make converts?
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| Quote: | I went to God in mighty prayer to ask him to give
the priesthood to all worthy blacks,
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What makes a prayer "mighty" and why would god care one way or the
other? Why would god wait to do a good thing until somebody asks
him?
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| Quote: | So, Mr. Anderson was the sitting for what was to transpire. I was the
first inspired of God to ask, Not when? but I asked, If he would give
it now for the love of my sister Dafne? And you know what, Mr.
Anderson? God answered me that very same year, on my sister’s
birthday, June 1st. And I thank my God for the birthday gift he gave
to my sister that year.
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If he really wanted to give her a swell birthday gift, he should have
inoculated her against the common cold. Funny how that sort of "gift
from god" never seems to be in the offering.
| Quote: | Now, Mr. Anderson if I were practicing narcissism as you accuse of me;
I would have only been out looking for my own kind, instead of another
kind, don’t you think?
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I think that, as a narcissist, you imagine that you have some sort of
control over the maker of the universe, so that when you engage in
"mighty prayer" he actually listens to you and does your bidding.
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| Quote: | I think you failed to see my point, Mr. Anderson. I wish you could
understand that God has many blessings in store for you, but his
blessings have a condition that must be first met; on the condition
that you first ask him. Yes, many of God’s blessing are now being
withhold, until you have the inspiration to ask for it.
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I think that a true narcissist would presume to tell others what god
wants them to do.
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| Quote: | In the end my dear lost brother we can only take with us the memories
of how we hurt others, and how we help them to become better than they
were.
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I think a narcissist would also consider those who don't listen to
them as "lost."
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| Quote: | And you will know then understand that I told
you the truth, and you rejected the message, for it was not a message
that you could reshape to fit your will. I told you that it was God’s
will that I be the one to ask him first, and I was indeed the first
one to approach him in a pleasing way, and God did answer my request,
and I know this, because I could see it in the face of my prophet
Kimball, when he held my hand.
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The narcissistic mind lives in a fantasy world where -- someday --
everyone will know how great and powerful and knowledgeable they
are.
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| Quote: | God was not going to allow this change in our lifetime, but I ask God
to do this for the love of my sister Dafne.
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The narcissist imagines he controls god.
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Duwayne Anderson
Author of "Farewell to Eden: Coming to terms with Mormonism and
science"
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