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Somebody is surely telling a tall tale,
but it isn't me.
*¿*
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On Nov 2, 4:16 pm, " ::: babe in Christ :::" <veral...@lycos.com
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****Weekly Repost for Newcomers -- How to deal with Sin****
More than two years ago in the summer of 2006 I fell in love with a
newsgroup poster who had contacted me by private e-mail. I didn't
know
that he only wanted to manipulate my faith when he was very nice to
me
and pretended to be my friend. After he had made some sexual
approaches
towards me, I made that big mistake to respond to him on the same
level.
In retrospective I really have no idea how this could happen to me,
but
it happened, which was a shame. It was as if something had been
switched
off in my brain. For a couple of weeks I had a really big problem,
because I knew he was married. My feelings however, were honest. I
do
not want to justify what I did at all. It was as bad as bad can be,
and
really wrong, and it will not happen to me again.
This man whom I am talking about kept the flames burning, but in
September 2006 I confessed my wrongdoing to another Christian at my
church, because I knew it was wrong and had to stop. I regretted
everything I had done and decided to stop this walk into a false
direction. So I wrote an e-mail to this man, and I softly tried to
tell
him that our relationship couldn't go on like that. I would have
understood if he hadn't written to me at all anymore, but he
continued.
But from this day on I refrained from responding to his sexual
approaches and communicated with him on the basis of a friendship
between a brother and a sister. This worked until November/December
2007.
I hadn't wanted to do several things he wanted me to do, e.g. give
him
some real names and addresses of people as well as raising some
funds
for some expensive personal luxury articles for him online in the
newsgroups. When he saw he couldn't manipulate me as he had wished,
he
befriended those people who had been my enemies for years and
wanted to
force me into things I didn't want to do at that time. So our
friendship
was completely broken up by this. He also made some allusions to
our
former relationship online, a warning for me to do as he pleased.
Since
I knew him well enough, I thought about it, prayed and talked with
the
brother about it, too, and took the decision to inform the people
of ACC
about the events and not give him the chance to shut me up by his
blackmail.
My life really has never been very easy (if you are interested and
have
enough time, please read my story
onhttp://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/vera%27s_story.html), and still
is not
at all (indeed it has never been worse than in the past months),
but
there was one thing I had sworn years after I had left my husband
with
an almost two year old child, when I had recovered from all the
terror I
had experienced. I swore rather to die than to be intimidated,
blackmailed or threatened by a man in my life again. I thought that
some
of the atheists would jump on me for my confession, but weird
enough, my
confession has given several so-called Christians food for 10
months
now. They have accepted the unrepentant man as their friend and
brother,
but they have brought this old sin of mine here again and again,
whenever they want to make use of it to influence people against
me.
Before that they loved to bring up my old sins (being a witch,
having
been married twice etc.) from times before I had become a
Christian -
and they very often still do, or invent some new things that had
never
been true at all - like the lie that I would drink and more.
I am just glad that God is not like this, but full of mercy for the
most
evil sinner if the sinner is repentant and confesses his sins.
There is
a chance for everybody! For you, and you, and you, and you...
whatever
your sin is. Just please do not cover it! Confess it! And you will
get
eternal life. If you think you are good enough, you might end up in
hell
fire, so please think about it. If you do not how to confess and
repent,
you can just say a short prayer like that:
--> "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner."
When I had confessed my sins at my church and prayed over that I
was
forgiven. The guilt was taken away from me as if it had never been
there. The best is that it was taken away years before this all
happened
to me when I stumbled with this man... I surrendered my life in
March
2000. I told God that I would not want to be without Him anymore in
my
life, and He should take over. And He did. He allowed me my free
will,
though, and I stumbled and fell very badly in the summer of 2006.
Yet I
was forgiven by my wonderful God - not after my evildoing but long
before - not in March 2000 but at the beginning of everything. The
Lord
knew it all in advance! He is Almighty and omniscient. From my view
and
experience, however, I stood blameless before the Lord the moment I
surrendered. Some people also speak of being "born again" in the
Spirit.
My walk with the Lord is even stronger than before now. It is His
strength that carries me through my life, and I would not know what
to
do without Him.
When I feel bad again for my sin with this man and speak about it
to the
Lord in prayer, He lets me know He has no idea what they are
talking
about...
Anyway, I could learn much of it... I know myself better, and also
what
things can make me stumble, and that I am not out of the danger of
sin
yet. But it is for me like for a child who has touched a hot oven
plate
and will never touch it again. I have learned something, and the
Lord
allowed me to learn that. I do not know why He was so merciful to
me...
Probably because He knows I will never make that same mistake
again, or
He wanted me to learn to be more merciful with others, and come
down
from my pride believing such things could never happen to me. I
have
learned they *can* happen to anyone - that was what I have learned.
I
have also learned that sin is *never* worthwhile for anything, and
that
the Lord will bless people who reject their sinful way. I have also
learned that as long as I live on this earth here I will *never* be
without sin, and that the Lord does not make a difference between a
big
sin or a small sin - sin simply does not go together with belonging
to
God, no matter what sin (I am not talking of the unforgivable sin
now,
though). That is why Jesus told us to pray like this:
...And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us
not
into temptation, but deliver us from evil... (Matthew 6:12-13 KJV)
So we still have debts to be forgiven, sins we commit, and we
should
also pray to be protected of the temptation to sin... we are not
free
from sin yet, but our way...
This, however should not lead us to the FALSE conclusion that we
might
sin continually, becasue we will be forgiven anyway. This concept
of
cheap grace might not lead to salvation, either.
I am going to post this here weekly as long as there is the need
for it
and people cannot refrain from accusing me or others of long
repented
sins and bringing them here again and again to make some cheap
shots at
me. I do not need them to deal with my sins, because I have people
at my
church where I confess my sins - regularly.
The Apostle John said:
"If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth
is
not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
forgive us
our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say
that we
have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." (1
John
1:8-10 KJV)
I will confess my long repented sin 1000 times or more, so people
dare
speaking of their sins at their churches or elsewhere again, so
that
they can get God's forgiveness and stop the devil come into their
houses, because this is what sin does - it opens doors for the
evil. The
only chance we have is by confessing our sins. People who still
accuse
people who have confessed and repented of their sins might not know
that
they are a helper of the devil - so let me warn you... Usenet is
not
really the place to confess sins, because you can never know whom
to
trust. Some people will usually abuse your confessions here. But
please,
do confess your sins to people whom you trust at your church, or to
Christians you know. The Lord will bless you like He blessed me for
it!
What He cannot stand at all is sin which people try to cover up or
justify. Be honest, also to yourself! Admit it when you made a
mistake.
Who is still there to hold my old sin against me or his neighbors
which
the Lord forgave long ago? Who thinks he surrendered to the Lord
blamelessly? Is there anyone? Which of the Christians believes he
is
without sin? Anyone? Who believes Christians have to be perfect
already?
Anyone?
Forgive me my harshness. People who speak a foreign language (I am
a
German) always come over as harsh, because they cannot discern the
niances in a language. So lacking the nuances, my words are what
YOU
want to make of them. They will sound harsh to my enemies, and
lovely to
my friends, brothers and sisters. They at least know I mean well
and
care for your souls.
Sorry, Vera - but when you call people names intentionally and
gossip
about them intentionally that behavior has absolutely nothing to do
with any imagined language barrier. After all, isn't it you who
tells
us on a regular basis how wonderfully knowledgeable you are in
English
and so many other languages? If that's the case, why are you
blaming
your "harsh words" on the fact that English isn't your first
language? Hmmm...?
And, I'm curious - if you really repented of this behavior with Baba
(it *was* Baba, wasn't it?), why didn't you just cut off
communication
with him entirely? Why would you put yourself in a situation where
the same could occur? Or maybe, just maybe, you liked the feeling
of
danger in still communicating with him online? Does his wife know
you
were still communicating with him? Does his wife know of the
"online
affair" at all? Did you ever ask *her* for forgiveness? If not -
why
not?
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Kelly,
There was no "online affair".
Yes, my wife knew of my *platonic" relationship
with Vera AND of the fact that Vera made a pass at me.
My wife didn't like that I corresponded with Vera
but only because Vera made a pass at me
and because in order to reply to all of Vera's emails
I sometimes (very few times - kindergarten homework and such)
neglected my son.
That was my *only sin*, and that's bad enough.
It's particularly painful when I consider that I'll never
regain the time I invested in Vera's welfare rather than in my boy,
especially when the vindictive sociopath
lies and turns the fruit of my good intent into
the self righteous soap opera which she's turned it into.
My wife also never trusted Vera because while
claiming to be "oh so good" she was actually "oh so bad"
and Mrs Baba figured a lying hypocrite like her
didn't deserve me wasting my time on her.
However, Mrs., Baba trusts me implicitly as I've never given her
any reason to not trust me, and she would never accept an
apology from Vera because she doesn't think Vera is sincere.
Moreover, Vera made her pass at me less than a month into
our correspondence. Not counting the month or so
that I didn't reply to her many emails while considering what to do
regarding Vera's misplaced affection, the "relationship"
continued for well over two years after her alleged confession.
It was only after I suggested to Vera
that she should stop condemning Amazing Grace
and Feather and calling them whores, and finally gave up and asked
a couple of folks Vera considers her enemy, to pray for Vera,
that Vera decided I was a pervert, threatened to tell the world about
our
*bogus* affair, and finally did so even though I suggested
it would only prove embarrassing to her.
As it is, Vera still has a song dedicated to me on her website,
and I still have the "friendly" emails that she sent me only a couple
of weeks
before posting her condemnation of me on usenet.
And, contrary to my first assumption and Vera's conclusion,
in another computer I have most of the correspondence
exchanged between Vera and I, which though quite funny,
would prove my innocence in all this...in a court of law, should it
be required
Peace,
*¿*
Plainly put - your behavior and the life you live here does not show
someone who loves others and cares about their souls and wants to
live
a clean life before the Lord, Vera. Humilty says alot about a
person's heart, Vera - and your posts just don't demonstrate that at
all - not that I've ever seen. All I see here is someone who got
caught doing something they shouldn't and continued doing it (just a
little more clandestine and undercover) and is now making excuses
for
it.
Maybe if we saw less of "Hypocrite Vera" and "Judgemental Vera" and
"Liar Vera" and "Vindictive Vera" and "Hateful Vera" and "Gossip
Vera"
your confession might carry more weight. Right now, where it
stands,
it doesn't mean much. Not to me, anyway.
Try being "Christian-non-
hypocriticaljudgementalvindictiveliarhatefulgossipping-Vera" for
more
than a day, and I know that I, for one, would be more apt to believe
you.
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"I" <me@home> wrote in message news:490eb93f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
| Quote: | "baba" <bbdd@terra.spoof.net> wrote:
Somebody is surely telling a tall tale,
but it isn't me.
This Vera person seems to have some psychological issues.
More than two years ago in the summer of 2006 I fell in love with
a
newsgroup poster who had contacted me by private e-mail.
Who in their right mind starts an affair in a newsgroup?
Vera made a pass at me.
.....
My wife also never trusted Vera because while
claiming to be "oh so good" she was actually "oh so bad"
and Mrs Baba figured a lying hypocrite like her
didn't deserve me wasting my time on her.
Thanks for warning me of this Jezebel!
Tom looks like the next victim.
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The peanut gallery is chock full of nuts. |
The phun part for a hot roasted peanut like me,
is trying to figure out what kind of nut all the other nuts are.
Vera isn't really a bad person at heart, she's just a victim
of her nuttiness and the bitterness flavors all her desserts,
especially her pudding.
Just take what she says with a grain of salt
'cause a salted nut is easier to swallow,
and don't eat the pudding 0;-)
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"baba" <bbdd@terra.spoof.net> wrote in message
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"I" <me@home> wrote in message news:490eb93f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
"baba" <bbdd@terra.spoof.net> wrote:
Somebody is surely telling a tall tale,
but it isn't me.
This Vera person seems to have some psychological issues.
More than two years ago in the summer of 2006 I fell in love
with a
newsgroup poster who had contacted me by private e-mail.
Who in their right mind starts an affair in a newsgroup?
Vera made a pass at me.
.....
My wife also never trusted Vera because while
claiming to be "oh so good" she was actually "oh so bad"
and Mrs Baba figured a lying hypocrite like her
didn't deserve me wasting my time on her.
Thanks for warning me of this Jezebel!
Tom looks like the next victim.
--------------------
The peanut gallery is chock full of nuts.
The phun part for a hot roasted peanut like me,
is trying to figure out what kind of nut all the other nuts are.
Vera isn't really a bad person at heart, she's just a victim
of her nuttiness and the bitterness flavors all her desserts,
especially her pudding.
Just take what she says with a grain of salt
'cause a salted nut is easier to swallow,
and don't eat the pudding 0;-)
*¿*
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not the lycos TOS...the individual.net TOS...
Capiche, mate?
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On Nov 3, 5:54 am, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
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because the liberals will freak.
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"<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 2, 5:36 pm, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | My sisters old boyfriend was heavily involved with the Civil Air Patrol,
he
was some kind of leader and he had about 40 young people between 18 and
25.
I had never heard of it but they are a civilian group sponsored by the
USAF
and they do emergency work and search and rescue operations here in the
states. Many of them have enough training in the field they have chosen
that
they could step right into the USAF with minimal training in the event of
a
national emergency or catastrophic event. There is no age restriction so
anyone can join. They use planes and they have all kinds of equipment.
Something like this I would support, it is good training for young people
and instills a sense of pride in service to your country.
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Well, yes, the CAP is a good thing, but somehow I have a feeling Obama
has something more planned for his "CNSF".
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"<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 5:54 am, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
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guns
because the liberals will freak.
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"By any means necessary..." Sound familiar?
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I just listened to the whole speech. It is clear by the context that he is
talking about an network of volunteers working here and abroad for the
common good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: ****Weekly Repost for Newcomers -- How to deal with Sin* |
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 04:08:18 -0500, "baba" <bbdd@terra.spoof.net>
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"I" <me@home> wrote in message news:490eb93f$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au...
"baba" <bbdd@terra.spoof.net> wrote:
Somebody is surely telling a tall tale,
but it isn't me.
This Vera person seems to have some psychological issues.
More than two years ago in the summer of 2006 I fell in love with
a
newsgroup poster who had contacted me by private e-mail.
Who in their right mind starts an affair in a newsgroup?
Vera made a pass at me.
.....
My wife also never trusted Vera because while
claiming to be "oh so good" she was actually "oh so bad"
and Mrs Baba figured a lying hypocrite like her
didn't deserve me wasting my time on her.
Thanks for warning me of this Jezebel!
Tom looks like the next victim.
--------------------
The peanut gallery is chock full of nuts.
The phun part for a hot roasted peanut like me,
is trying to figure out what kind of nut all the other nuts are.
Vera isn't really a bad person at heart, she's just a victim
of her nuttiness and the bitterness flavors all her desserts,
especially her pudding.
Just take what she says with a grain of salt
'cause a salted nut is easier to swallow,
and don't eat the pudding 0;-)
*¿*
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Thanks
God Bless
Matt |
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pyotr filipivich
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "Tom"
<Tommy@home.con> wrote on Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:38:59 -0800 in
alt.christnet.christianlife :
| Quote: | "pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "<Kelly>"
316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote on Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:17:39 -0800 (PST) in
alt.christnet.christianlife :
In a July 2, 2008 speech, Barack Obama announced that as president he
plans on calling America to national service. In that speech, Obama
proposed "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful,
just as strong, just as well-funded" as our military. Why would we
need such a thing when we already have the armed services, the coast
guard, and the National Guard?
Comments? Thoughts? Comparisons to anything else in that parallels
such a "national security force" in fairly recent world history?
Sure. Hugo Chavez's has the people's committees (Or whatever they
are called) which are suppose to watch out for un-Venezuelan
activities (read that as "anything which might oppose Hugo Chavez's
ascent to President for Life enroute to Benevolent Leader.). It is
the distribution of firearms to those groups which have given the
Venezuelan military (not to mention those groups who didn't get
AK-47s) from intervening in the domestic politics.
Some of us are not waiting for someone to come and give us guns.... We
have our own military weapons. We are waiting for those that would try to
take them from us.
Tschuss,
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Yeah, there is that. But The One will want to arm the poor and
downtrodden - to protect them from the haters. You know, those who
cling to their God and Guns out of bitterness.
I personally hope that the One gets a chance to return to TUC,
where he can be embraced his fellow believers in a bitter god
theology.
tschus
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:25:49 -0800, "Tom" <Tommy@home.con> wrote:
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"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "Tom"
Tommy@home.con> wrote on Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:38:59 -0800 in
alt.christnet.christianlife :
"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:gdpsg452bgvg2fo97k34thtbkpnhostma6@4ax.com...
I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "<Kelly>"
316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote on Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:17:39 -0800 (PST) in
alt.christnet.christianlife :
In a July 2, 2008 speech, Barack Obama announced that as president he
plans on calling America to national service. In that speech, Obama
proposed "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful,
just as strong, just as well-funded" as our military. Why would we
need such a thing when we already have the armed services, the coast
guard, and the National Guard?
Comments? Thoughts? Comparisons to anything else in that parallels
such a "national security force" in fairly recent world history?
Sure. Hugo Chavez's has the people's committees (Or whatever they
are called) which are suppose to watch out for un-Venezuelan
activities (read that as "anything which might oppose Hugo Chavez's
ascent to President for Life enroute to Benevolent Leader.). It is
the distribution of firearms to those groups which have given the
Venezuelan military (not to mention those groups who didn't get
AK-47s) from intervening in the domestic politics.
Some of us are not waiting for someone to come and give us guns.... We
have our own military weapons. We are waiting for those that would try to
take them from us.
Tschuss,
Tom
Yeah, there is that. But The One will want to arm the poor and
downtrodden - to protect them from the haters. You know, those who
cling to their God and Guns out of bitterness.
I personally hope that the One gets a chance to return to TUC,
where he can be embraced his fellow believers in a bitter god
theology.
A wise man prepares for either outcome. I just need more land to shoot
some practice runs on, I only have 3 acres/12,000sq/mtrs. The AK is lethal
for 2000 meters as is the Mini-14. It is my hope and prayer that I never
have to shoot a human being. Every gun I have ever brounght into my home,
for 20+ years, I have prayed to never need it.
Wo bist du?
Tom
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I prefer indoor ranges. Helps keep the waste down. Well except for
clays. Never seen a indoor place for that )
Matt
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tschus
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
The two oldest cliches in the book are "The Good Old Days were
better." and "After all, these are Modern TImes."
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On Nov 3, 7:07 am, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I just listened to the whole speech. It is clear by the context that he is
talking about an network of volunteers working here and abroad for the
common good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
It is about 15 minutes into it.
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"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "Tom"
Tommy@home.con> wrote on Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:38:59 -0800 in
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"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "<Kelly>"
316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote on Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:17:39 -0800 (PST) in
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In a July 2, 2008 speech, Barack Obama announced that as president he
plans on calling America to national service. In that speech, Obama
proposed "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful,
just as strong, just as well-funded" as our military. Why would we
need such a thing when we already have the armed services, the coast
guard, and the National Guard?
Comments? Thoughts? Comparisons to anything else in that parallels
such a "national security force" in fairly recent world history?
Sure. Hugo Chavez's has the people's committees (Or whatever they
are called) which are suppose to watch out for un-Venezuelan
activities (read that as "anything which might oppose Hugo Chavez's
ascent to President for Life enroute to Benevolent Leader.). It is
the distribution of firearms to those groups which have given the
Venezuelan military (not to mention those groups who didn't get
AK-47s) from intervening in the domestic politics.
Some of us are not waiting for someone to come and give us guns.... We
have our own military weapons. We are waiting for those that would try to
take them from us.
Tschuss,
Tom
Yeah, there is that. But The One will want to arm the poor and
downtrodden - to protect them from the haters. You know, those who
cling to their God and Guns out of bitterness.
I personally hope that the One gets a chance to return to TUC,
where he can be embraced his fellow believers in a bitter god
theology.
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A wise man prepares for either outcome. I just need more land to shoot
some practice runs on, I only have 3 acres/12,000sq/mtrs. The AK is lethal
for 2000 meters as is the Mini-14. It is my hope and prayer that I never
have to shoot a human being. Every gun I have ever brounght into my home,
for 20+ years, I have prayed to never need it.
Wo bist du?
Tom
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tschus
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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On Nov 3, 5:20 pm, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | It looks like we are going to be stuck with him and the Dems will have free
reign so God only knows the ride we are in for.
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I'm still praying (literally) for a McCain upset. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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On Nov 3, 6:19 pm, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Talk radio is going to go bye bye.
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Under an Obama presidency, you mean? |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:58 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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"Tom" <Tommy@home.con> wrote:
Tom has no wisdom.
Tom is a sociopath with a gun fetish. |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "Tom"
<Tommy@home.con> wrote on Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:25:49 -0800 in
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"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:g5dug49c8j9oj23orri73cg80g2q1ek1vk@4ax.com...
I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "Tom"
Tommy@home.con> wrote on Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:38:59 -0800 in
alt.christnet.christianlife :
"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:gdpsg452bgvg2fo97k34thtbkpnhostma6@4ax.com...
I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "<Kelly>"
316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote on Sun, 2 Nov 2008 08:17:39 -0800 (PST) in
alt.christnet.christianlife :
In a July 2, 2008 speech, Barack Obama announced that as president he
plans on calling America to national service. In that speech, Obama
proposed "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful,
just as strong, just as well-funded" as our military. Why would we
need such a thing when we already have the armed services, the coast
guard, and the National Guard?
Comments? Thoughts? Comparisons to anything else in that parallels
such a "national security force" in fairly recent world history?
Sure. Hugo Chavez's has the people's committees (Or whatever they
are called) which are suppose to watch out for un-Venezuelan
activities (read that as "anything which might oppose Hugo Chavez's
ascent to President for Life enroute to Benevolent Leader.). It is
the distribution of firearms to those groups which have given the
Venezuelan military (not to mention those groups who didn't get
AK-47s) from intervening in the domestic politics.
Some of us are not waiting for someone to come and give us guns.... We
have our own military weapons. We are waiting for those that would try to
take them from us.
Tschuss,
Tom
Yeah, there is that. But The One will want to arm the poor and
downtrodden - to protect them from the haters. You know, those who
cling to their God and Guns out of bitterness.
I personally hope that the One gets a chance to return to TUC,
where he can be embraced his fellow believers in a bitter god
theology.
A wise man prepares for either outcome. I just need more land to shoot
some practice runs on, I only have 3 acres/12,000sq/mtrs. The AK is lethal
for 2000 meters as is the Mini-14. It is my hope and prayer that I never
have to shoot a human being. Every gun I have ever brounght into my home,
for 20+ years, I have prayed to never need it.
Wo bist du?
Tom
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Pacific Northwest - almost Canada.
I know what you mean about wanting more land. Friend of mine
inherited part of the family farm - 100 acres of trees. So no problem
finding enough space for a "range".
Stella, I hope to grow old and greyer, and never have to fire any
of my weapons in anger. But "hope" is not the same as "intend to
never".
tschus
pyotr
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