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"pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Tommy@home.con> wrote on Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:25:49 -0800 in
A wise man prepares for either outcome. I just need more land to shoot
some practice runs on, I only have 3 acres/12,000sq/mtrs. The AK is lethal
for 2000 meters as is the Mini-14. It is my hope and prayer that I never
have to shoot a human being. Every gun I have ever brounght into my home,
for 20+ years, I have prayed to never need it.
Wo bist du?
Tom
Pacific Northwest - almost Canada.
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Ah! Almost paradise! I have looked at Victoria BC as a place to go....
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I know what you mean about wanting more land. Friend of mine
inherited part of the family farm - 100 acres of trees. So no problem
finding enough space for a "range".
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Land near here (KS/MO) is under $2k/acre in quantity. I live in a very
exclusive subdivision, but if things got to be just so, I'd take a trailer
on 40 acres. "Alas, Babylon" is one of my fave books.... verstehe?
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Stella, I hope to grow old and greyer, and never have to fire any
of my weapons in anger. But "hope" is not the same as "intend to
never".
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Very true; I admire people who think, and even more so if they think
like me.  I have three types of weapons, close range high-caliber, long
range high accuracy, long range high capacity. I can hurl hundreds of rounds
at something in one minute, quicker if my sons are by my side......
Da'svedan'ya,
Tom
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Scout Lady
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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"<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 7:07 am, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | I just listened to the whole speech. It is clear by the context that he is
talking about an network of volunteers working here and abroad for the
common good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
It is about 15 minutes into it.
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I've listened to it too. Even still, after all of the things that
have materialized out of his mouth and campaign in the last month or
so, I don't take anything like this with a grain of salt.
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It looks like we are going to be stuck with him and the Dems will have free
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ujb
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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Scout Lady wrote:
| Quote: | "<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c533e885-3b44-4ad5-971c-f9e5cf5c4ccb@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 3, 7:07 am, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
I just listened to the whole speech. It is clear by the context that he is
talking about an network of volunteers working here and abroad for the
common good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
It is about 15 minutes into it.
I've listened to it too. Even still, after all of the things that
have materialized out of his mouth and campaign in the last month or
so, I don't take anything like this with a grain of salt.
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It looks like we are going to be stuck with him and the Dems will have free
reign so God only knows the ride we are in for.
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Make for some great talk radio! haha |
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john w
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:56 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2008 15:44:32 -0800 (PST), "<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com>
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© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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| Quote: | On Nov 2, 3:07 pm, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
I am just guessing like anyone else since he failed to explain what the heck
he is talking about.
I see. Well, he did give some clues here: "We cannot continue to
rely on our military in order to achieve the national security
objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national
security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-
funded."
Well, I personally I find it frightening that Obama is planning on de-
funding the military we already have, but wants to have a ciivilian
"security force" that would be (so it seems) as well funded as our
military currently is. I just find it incredible that he plans on
having a civilian force that is as powerful and strong as the Marines,
for instance. Does that mean civilians with jets carrying heat-
seeking missles? Civilians with SAMS? Civilians with tanks?
Civilians with satellite techonology for spying?
And what, exactly would be the purpose of such a "force" when we
already have the National Guard?
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Since a huge chunk of our National Guard are now on active duty in
the war ( a purpose for which they were NEVER intended), sounds to me
like he's planning on a 2nd National Guard to replace the National
Guard GW sent off to war.
Means he's likely planning on a new draft.
I think before anyone gets too upset, we need to remember, "the
President proposes, Congress disposes."
And like he told Katie Couric recently, if the Left-controlled
Congress (this one coming) gets too out-of-hand, don't forget, they're
ELECTED.
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john w
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2008 08:54:12 -0500, "Scout Lady"
<scoutlady@nospam4me.net> wrote:
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"<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 2, 5:36 pm, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
My sisters old boyfriend was heavily involved with the Civil Air Patrol,
he
was some kind of leader and he had about 40 young people between 18 and
25.
I had never heard of it but they are a civilian group sponsored by the
USAF
and they do emergency work and search and rescue operations here in the
states. Many of them have enough training in the field they have chosen
that
they could step right into the USAF with minimal training in the event of
a
national emergency or catastrophic event. There is no age restriction so
anyone can join. They use planes and they have all kinds of equipment.
Something like this I would support, it is good training for young people
and instills a sense of pride in service to your country.
Well, yes, the CAP is a good thing, but somehow I have a feeling Obama
has something more planned for his "CNSF".
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Well it can't be anything too crazy and can't have anything to do with guns
because the liberals will freak.
The Left isn't afraid of guns as long as the Left controls the guns. |
It's when the Right have guns that the Left freak out.
If the Left owned ALL the guns, there would suddenly be no more
anti-gun lobby.
When the Right own guns, the Left get all twitchy and nervous.
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Scout Lady
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"<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 3, 7:07 am, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
I just listened to the whole speech. It is clear by the context that he
is
talking about an network of volunteers working here and abroad for the
common good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
It is about 15 minutes into it.
I've listened to it too. Even still, after all of the things that
have materialized out of his mouth and campaign in the last month or
so, I don't take anything like this with a grain of salt.
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It looks like we are going to be stuck with him and the Dems will have
free reign so God only knows the ride we are in for.
Make for some great talk radio! haha
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Talk radio is going to go bye bye. |
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Scout Lady
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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On Nov 3, 5:20 pm, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
| Quote: | It looks like we are going to be stuck with him and the Dems will have
free
reign so God only knows the ride we are in for.
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I'm still praying (literally) for a McCain upset.
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Me too but it is God's will not ours. |
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I
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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Tom is a sociopath with a gun fetish.
The Tom and Vera show isn't as good as the Tom and Jerry show.
Tom and Jerry have more intelligence than Tom and Vera.
Tom and Vera are examples of Christus Oboxium.
Tom and Vera are members of the Griz Cult.
THE INFAMOUS GRIZ CULT
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Griz cult members have the following unfortunate features:
- a distrust and fear of freedom
- a belief in the importance of authority and in controlling what people
believe
- a corresponding preference for obedience rather than love
- a desire to give people what they want rather than the truth
- a refusal to allow themselves to be in the least disconcerted when
confronted with the true nature of their fundamentalist religion
- a readiness to persecute and exclude anyone who is of a different
persuasion.
They prefer authority, obedience, and conformity over freedom, truth, and
dissent.
Key Characteristics of the Griz cult are [adapted from Joanne Ruhland 1995]:
- Content Which Is Authoritarian
- Indoctrinates / clones
- Unquestioning obedience / Leaders do not discuss questions
- Love and loyalty are the bottom line
- Indoctrination /Leaders' conclusions must be accepted.
- Emphasis on uniformity
- Elitist / accepts SOME Christians
- Hidden agenda
- Manipulates
- Leaders "lord" it over the flock
- Results in conformity, rigidity
- Allows one avenue of service ... serving their group
- Individual is responsible to leaders
- Leaders tell individual what God's will is
- Analytical thinking hindered
- Simplistic approach to life
- Pick your own bible verse to lead you / Choices must conform to leaders'
dictates, leaders' approval
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DISTINGUISHING FEATURES OF A CHRISTUS OBNOXIUM
.... quoting from James Barr's book "Fundamentalism" on the three
distinguishing features of the Fundamentalist:
'Firstly, a fundamentalist has a very strong emphasis on the inerrancy of
the Bible, and believes in the absence from it of any sort of error.
Two, a strong hostility to modern theology and to the method, results and
implications of modern critical study of the Bible.
And three, an assurance that those who do not share their religious
viewpoint are not really true Christians at all.'
Peter Cameron "Heretic" (Doubleday; Sydney: 1994) p. 178
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JohnH
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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On Nov 2, 11:17 am, "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In a July 2, 2008 speech, Barack Obama announced that as president he
plans on calling America to national service. In that speech, Obama
proposed “a civilian national security force that's just as powerful,
just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military. Why would we
need such a thing when we already have the armed services, the coast
guard, and the National Guard?
Comments? Thoughts? Comparisons to anything else in that parallels
such a "national security force" in fairly recent world history?
Hmmm...?
Maybe he'll use the recent Supreme Court ruling to arm the black |
militants in Rev. Wright's old church, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam,
and Ayer's Weather Underground Organization? |
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ujb
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| Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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Scout Lady wrote:
| Quote: | "ujb" <ujb@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:geo92m$bp6$1@aioe.org...
Scout Lady wrote:
"<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c533e885-3b44-4ad5-971c-f9e5cf5c4ccb@v39g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 3, 7:07 am, "Scout Lady" <scoutl...@nospam4me.net> wrote:
I just listened to the whole speech. It is clear by the context that he
is
talking about an network of volunteers working here and abroad for the
common good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
It is about 15 minutes into it.
I've listened to it too. Even still, after all of the things that
have materialized out of his mouth and campaign in the last month or
so, I don't take anything like this with a grain of salt.
-------------------
It looks like we are going to be stuck with him and the Dems will have
free reign so God only knows the ride we are in for.
Make for some great talk radio! haha
Talk radio is going to go bye bye.
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Please, you wouldn't oppose a little "fairness doctrine", not you! haha
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pyotr filipivich
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "Tom"
<Tommy@home.con> wrote on Mon, 3 Nov 2008 16:17:59 -0800 in
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| Quote: | "pyotr filipivich" <phamp@mindspring.com> wrote in message
I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "Tom"
Tommy@home.con> wrote on Mon, 3 Nov 2008 11:25:49 -0800 in
A wise man prepares for either outcome. I just need more land to shoot
some practice runs on, I only have 3 acres/12,000sq/mtrs. The AK is lethal
for 2000 meters as is the Mini-14. It is my hope and prayer that I never
have to shoot a human being. Every gun I have ever brounght into my home,
for 20+ years, I have prayed to never need it.
Wo bist du?
Tom
Pacific Northwest - almost Canada.
Ah! Almost paradise! I have looked at Victoria BC as a place to go....
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I've looked to Canada a couple times. But the reality is, that
despite being "almost like the US" it isn't. There are still some
stark differences which can bite the unwary, usually in the area of
"my rights" kind of stuff.
| Quote: | I know what you mean about wanting more land. Friend of mine
inherited part of the family farm - 100 acres of trees. So no problem
finding enough space for a "range".
Land near here (KS/MO) is under $2k/acre in quantity. I live in a very
exclusive subdivision, but if things got to be just so, I'd take a trailer
on 40 acres. "Alas, Babylon" is one of my fave books.... verstehe?
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It ain't cheap up here. I went searching on the Remax site, found
a 3 bd 2 bath 2 car garage with acreage in Yakima for 150k. Around
here, the house on a lot was 300k, the acreage would be more.
tschus
pyotr
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pyotr filipivich
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that "I" <me0010@home>
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| Quote: | Tom is a sociopath with a gun fetish.
The Tom and Vera show isn't as good as the Tom and Jerry show.
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And you, cur, are a loon.
toodles
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pyotr filipivich
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I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that JohnH
<johnhennekes@yahoo.com> wrote on Tue, 4 Nov 2008 06:55:01 -0800 (PST)
in alt.christnet.christianlife :
| Quote: | On Nov 2, 11:17 am, "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
In a July 2, 2008 speech, Barack Obama announced that as president he
plans on calling America to national service. In that speech, Obama
proposed “a civilian national security force that's just as powerful,
just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military. Why would we
need such a thing when we already have the armed services, the coast
guard, and the National Guard?
Comments? Thoughts? Comparisons to anything else in that parallels
such a "national security force" in fairly recent world history?
Hmmm...?
Maybe he'll use the recent Supreme Court ruling to arm the black
militants in Rev. Wright's old church, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam,
and Ayer's Weather Underground Organization?
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Those groups will provide cadre. Those who know what to do, who
will train the rest.
Back in 1940, the US Army started expanding. "everybody" in longer
than a couple got a promotion to provide the cadre of "experienced
leadership" needed for the new larger Army. Corporals became
sergeants, Sergeants became Field officers, Field officers became
staff officers. Because they already knew how things worked, were
suppose to work, and how things were done "in this man's army".
The Fruit of Islam, etc, will serve as 'cadre', each level now
teaching the new recruits, what they know.
What will be interesting is the intersect squabbles over
objectives and the like. The Weather is going to have to accept that
they will still be the blue eye ice people to their Islamic Brothers
in the Struggle against Western Civilization.
"the burn off will be glorious." And down right scary.
pyotr
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Tom
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"JohnH" <johnhennekes@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 2, 11:17 am, "<Kelly>" <316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | In a July 2, 2008 speech, Barack Obama announced that as president he
plans on calling America to national service. In that speech, Obama
proposed “a civilian national security force that's just as powerful,
just as strong, just as well-funded” as our military. Why would we
need such a thing when we already have the armed services, the coast
guard, and the National Guard?
Comments? Thoughts? Comparisons to anything else in that parallels
such a "national security force" in fairly recent world history?
Hmmm...?
Maybe he'll use the recent Supreme Court ruling to arm the black |
militants in Rev. Wright's old church, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam,
and Ayer's Weather Underground Organization?
Well, at least then we'll have a pretty good idea of who to shoot at
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:40 am Post subject: Re: Obama and a "civilian national security force" |
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On Nov 4, 6:55 am, JohnH <johnhenne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Maybe he'll use the recent Supreme Court ruling to arm the black
militants in Rev. Wright's old church, Farrakhan's Nation of Islam,
and Ayer's Weather Underground Organization?
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Are you being facetious? |
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