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 Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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| Quote: | On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope. Salvation, once that gift is received, is irrevocable. I know
you don't believe that, unfortunately that is not what the Word of God
teaches.
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In her case, =if= it was received.
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2 Peter 2:
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through
the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The
dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
her wallowing in the mire.
I suggest you study this Scripture very carefully.
osas is a dangerous doctrine.
2 Peter 2:2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall
bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
"denying the Lord that bought them"
"swift destruction"
According to your false doctrine, you call the Scriptures a lie.
According to your false doctrine God cannot destroy anyone who has
been bought by Christ.
So which is it?
You or Scripture?
I'll believe Scripture.
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:22 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:54:39 -0500, "Tom" <Tommy@home.con> wrote:
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"CB" <country2000@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:41:22 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
Nope. Salvation, once that gift is received, is irrevocable. I know
you don't believe that, unfortunately that is not what the Word of God
teaches.
In her case, =if= it was received.
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Anyone who has been bought by the blood of Christ has been saved.
According to Peter, they can deny Him & lose their salvation.
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2 Peter 2:
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through
the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The
dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
her wallowing in the mire.
I suggest you study this Scripture very carefully.
osas is a dangerous doctrine.
2 Peter 2:2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall
bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
"denying the Lord that bought them"
"swift destruction"
According to your false doctrine, you call the Scriptures a lie.
According to your false doctrine God cannot destroy anyone who has
been bought by Christ.
So which is it?
You or Scripture?
I'll believe Scripture.
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I just happen to have those links handy!
Joe Biden On Barack Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8
Hillary Clinton 3 am Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-VFA7L2RcE
Barack Obama on Barack Obama's Inexperience
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLozS-TnM
Joe Biden: Mark My Words, We Will Face A Major International Crisis Due to
Obama's Inexperience, Because the World is Going To Test Us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymy0Woaz81U
Got it. Thanks.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Oct 25, 5:22 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Anyone who has been bought by the blood of Christ has been saved.
According to Peter, they can deny Him & lose their salvation.
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I've never denied that Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only Son of God
Who died as an atonement for my sins is my Savior and Lord. Never.
And I never will.
| Quote: | 2 Peter 2:
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through
the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The
dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
her wallowing in the mire.
I suggest you study this Scripture very carefully.
osas is a dangerous doctrine.
2 Peter 2:2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall
bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
"denying the Lord that bought them"
"swift destruction"
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The thing you don't get is that by taking the words on the page
literally you have become a false teacher.
| Quote: | According to your false doctrine, you call the Scriptures a lie.
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No, I don't. You're problem is that you're too lazy to look deep into
the Scriptures. You don't seem to get that the words on the page of
the Bible version you prefer may not match what the original languages
were saying. "Study to show thyself approved" doesn't mean "read and
take literally the words on the page" - it means study, it means dig
deep, it means become a student, not a reader.
| Quote: | According to your false doctrine God cannot destroy anyone who has
been bought by Christ.
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That's a lie.
| Quote: | So which is it?
You or Scripture?
I'll believe Scripture
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Fine. But you have to understand what it's really saying, first. |
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CB
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:33:12 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 25, 5:22 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Anyone who has been bought by the blood of Christ has been saved.
According to Peter, they can deny Him & lose their salvation.
I've never denied that Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only Son of God
Who died as an atonement for my sins is my Savior and Lord. Never.
And I never will.
2 Peter 2:
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through
the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The
dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
her wallowing in the mire.
I suggest you study this Scripture very carefully.
osas is a dangerous doctrine.
2 Peter 2:2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall
bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
"denying the Lord that bought them"
"swift destruction"
The thing you don't get is that by taking the words on the page
literally you have become a false teacher.
According to your false doctrine, you call the Scriptures a lie.
No, I don't. You're problem is that you're too lazy to look deep into
the Scriptures. You don't seem to get that the words on the page of
the Bible version you prefer may not match what the original languages
were saying. "Study to show thyself approved" doesn't mean "read and
take literally the words on the page" - it means study, it means dig
deep, it means become a student, not a reader.
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You're really full of it.
You have taken the Scriptures and twisted them to fit your own
religion.
The Bible is not a puzzle. It was written to be understood by all
people for all times. Your attempt to nullify Scripture is an
abomination.
What makes you so much smarter than many college professors and
scholars?
Do you think you are the only one in history who has studied the
Bible?
Study this word: repent.
That doesn't mean that if youy're gay it's ok to remain that way, it
means to turn the other way.
You will go to any lengths to remain gay even to the destriuction of
your own soul.
I pity you.
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According to your false doctrine God cannot destroy anyone who has
been bought by Christ.
That's a lie.
So which is it?
You or Scripture?
I'll believe Scripture
Fine. But you have to understand what it's really saying, first.
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I know what it says & I don't try to change its meaning in order to
justify my way of life. |
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| Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Oct 27, 5:17 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | You're really full of it.
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Am I?
| Quote: | You have taken the Scriptures and twisted them to fit your own
religion.
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Nope - I've read them for what they are and what they were intended to
be. Something you can't claim because you've let a long list of Bible
version editors decide for you what the Scriptures *really* say.
| Quote: | The Bible is not a puzzle.
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No, it's not. So why haven't you figure out how to read what's really
there? Are you saying you're not even smart enough to figure out
something that isn't even a puzzle?
| Quote: | It was written to be understood by all
people for all times.
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Sure it was. Then why do you have a version that differs from what
was originally "written to be understood by all people for all times"?
| Quote: | Your attempt to nullify Scripture is an
abomination.
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I've never done any such thing. And I never would. The problem with
literal Bible version readers like yourself is that you're too
stubborn to take the Bible for what it is and was originally intended
to be - you'd rather be lazy and read what Bible version editors tell
you it really says. That's not very smart.
| Quote: | What makes you so much smarter than many college professors and
scholars?
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Oh, I don't. But when you see the list below, you may think twice
about that statement...
| Quote: | Do you think you are the only one in history who has studied the
Bible?
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Absolutely not. Do you think that you and a whole bunch of other
literal Bible-readers have cornered the market on understanding it?
You should try reading some of what Rev. Tony Campolo and Bishop John
S. Spong and Rev. William Stayton and Bishop Melvin Wheatley and Rev.
Dr. John B Cobb, Jr. and Rev. Dr. James B. Nelson and Rev. Dr. Karen
Lebacqz and Rev. Harry L. Holfelder and Rev. Dr. Janet Edwards and
Bishop Stanley E. Olson (and on and on and on) all have to say about
the Bible and homosexuality. Are you going to tell me that every one
of these saved, ordained by God, Biblical scholars with miles of post
graduate degrees behind them are wrong and you are right?
Puhleeeze...
To quote you: "What makes you so much smarter than many college
professors and scholars?"
| Quote: | Study this word: repent.
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What does studying God's Word and repenting have to do one with the
other? When one has repented of sin and accepted the Lord Jesus
Christ as their Savior and His sacrifice on the cross as atonement,
one has the Holy Spirit and the peace that passes all understanding.
I study the Word correctly *because* I have all of that - not to
*attain* that. People who are in need of salvation don't study the
Word to get to salvation, doofus.
| Quote: | That doesn't mean that if youy're gay it's ok to remain that way, it
means to turn the other way.
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You forgot to say "in my opinion". The Word of God says nothing of
the sort.
| Quote: | You will go to any lengths to remain gay even to the destriuction of
your own soul.
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I'm a Christian who happens to be gay - IOW, I'm a Christian first,
and everything else is secondary.
I don't need, nor want, your pity. It's you who should be pitied
because you think yourself to be knowledgeable in the Word without
understanding the heart of the Word.
| Quote: | I know what it says
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You prove on a regular basis that you don't.
| Quote: | & I don't try to change its meaning in order to
justify my way of life.
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Yeah...suuurre you don't...hypocrite. |
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Oct 28, 8:34 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Because you believe me to be ignorant of the Word of God, and because
you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ - if you truly love the
Lord, my ignorance most definitely *is* your problem. If what you
believe to be true about *my* Christianity and what you believe to be
true about *your* Christianity is correct, you will have to give an
account one day for believing "it's not [your] problem". If you
really were an authentic follower of Christ, you would already know
that.
You're a fake and a phony. |
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CB
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| Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:12:00 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 27, 5:17 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're really full of it.
Am I?
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Yes.
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You have taken the Scriptures and twisted them to fit your own
religion.
Nope - I've read them for what they are and what they were intended to
be. Something you can't claim because you've let a long list of Bible
version editors decide for you what the Scriptures *really* say.
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You're a liar.
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The Bible is not a puzzle.
No, it's not. So why haven't you figure out how to read what's really
there? Are you saying you're not even smart enough to figure out
something that isn't even a puzzle?
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I figured it out.
It means what it says & you are a liar.
Romans 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through
the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between
themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
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It was written to be understood by all
people for all times.
Sure it was. Then why do you have a version that differs from what
was originally "written to be understood by all people for all times"?
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I have several different versions.
Thay all say the same thing.
You have only one.
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Your attempt to nullify Scripture is an
abomination.
I've never done any such thing.
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That's a lie & you know it.
You have to pervert Scripture to remain a homosexual & claim to be
Christian.
| Quote: | And I never would. The problem with
literal Bible version readers like yourself is that you're too
stubborn to take the Bible for what it is and was originally intended
to be - you'd rather be lazy and read what Bible version editors tell
you it really says. That's not very smart.
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What's really not smart is to pretend that God loves perversion.
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What makes you so much smarter than many college professors and
scholars?
Oh, I don't. But when you see the list below, you may think twice
about that statement...
Do you think you are the only one in history who has studied the
Bible?
Absolutely not. Do you think that you and a whole bunch of other
literal Bible-readers have cornered the market on understanding it?
You should try reading some of what Rev. Tony Campolo and Bishop John
S. Spong and Rev. William Stayton and Bishop Melvin Wheatley and Rev.
Dr. John B Cobb, Jr. and Rev. Dr. James B. Nelson and Rev. Dr. Karen
Lebacqz and Rev. Harry L. Holfelder and Rev. Dr. Janet Edwards and
Bishop Stanley E. Olson (and on and on and on) all have to say about
the Bible and homosexuality. Are you going to tell me that every one
of these saved, ordained by God, Biblical scholars with miles of post
graduate degrees behind them are wrong and you are right?
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Never heard of 'em.
Are they queer?
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Puhleeeze...
To quote you: "What makes you so much smarter than many college
professors and scholars?"
Study this word: repent.
What does studying God's Word and repenting have to do one with the
other? When one has repented of sin and accepted the Lord Jesus
Christ as their Savior and His sacrifice on the cross as atonement,
one has the Holy Spirit and the peace that passes all understanding.
I study the Word correctly *because* I have all of that - not to
*attain* that. People who are in need of salvation don't study the
Word to get to salvation, doofus.
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You ever read in Scripture "I never knew you"?
Who do you think these people were that Jesus was tallking to?
These are people who thought they were saved.
doofus!!!
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That doesn't mean that if youy're gay it's ok to remain that way, it
means to turn the other way.
You forgot to say "in my opinion". The Word of God says nothing of
the sort.
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You're a liar.
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You will go to any lengths to remain gay even to the destriuction of
your own soul.
I'm a Christian who happens to be gay - IOW, I'm a Christian first,
and everything else is secondary.
I pity you.
I don't need, nor want, your pity. It's you who should be pitied
because you think yourself to be knowledgeable in the Word without
understanding the heart of the Word.
I know what it says
You prove on a regular basis that you don't.
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According to you & your perverted knowledge of Scripture.
Your ignorance is not my problem.
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& I don't try to change its meaning in order to
justify my way of life.
Yeah...suuurre you don't...hypocrite. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Oct 29, 5:32 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Your ignorance is not my problem.
Because you believe me to be ignorant of the Word of God, and because
you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ - if you truly love the
Lord, my ignorance most definitely *is* your problem. If what you
believe to be true about *my* Christianity and what you believe to be
true about *your* Christianity is correct, you will have to give an
account one day for believing "it's not [your] problem". If you
really were an authentic follower of Christ, you would already know
that.
huh??
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You really don't get what I wrote or are you playing not getting what
I wrote?
| Quote: | You're a fake and a phony.
According to you.
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I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only one here who feels that
way.
| Quote: | I'm not concerned about your judgment of me.
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And I'm not concerned that you're not concerned.
| Quote: | I don't have to twist Scripture to make it fit my lifestyle.
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I don't have a "lifestyle", I have a life. I go to work everyday, I
pay my bills, I buy groceries, I put gas in my vehicle(s), I use
toilet paper, I bleed if I'm cut. All just like you. Now, is there
something so very different about my day-to-day life than yours you'd
like to clue me in on? Because honestly, I don't see how you could
possibly know anything about how I live my life - all you can do is
guess. Unless you have a remote camera hidden somewhere in my house
right at this moment, you know absolutely nothing about my alleged
"lifestyle" other than what I said above.
Isn't it kinda silly to make a judgement about something you are
completely in the dark about? |
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CB
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:30:37 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 28, 8:34 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your ignorance is not my problem.
Because you believe me to be ignorant of the Word of God, and because
you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ - if you truly love the
Lord, my ignorance most definitely *is* your problem. If what you
believe to be true about *my* Christianity and what you believe to be
true about *your* Christianity is correct, you will have to give an
account one day for believing "it's not [your] problem". If you
really were an authentic follower of Christ, you would already know
that.
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huh??
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You're a fake and a phony.
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According to you.
I'm not concerned about your judgment of me.
I don't have to twist Scripture to make it fit my lifestyle.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 1:58 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Oct 30, 5:56 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nothing outside your tiny, egocentric world is ever your problem, is
it?
| Quote: | Unlike you, I don't need "acceptance" for my lifestyle.
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I don't "need acceptance", either. Amongst those who count, I'm
accepted for who I am and for *Whose* I am - that's all that matters
to me.
| Quote: | I'm not in the dark about an unrepentant homosexual.
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You are if all you know about my life is what you've imagined. That's
just a fact - your imaginings about who I am and how I run my life are
not facts.
| Quote: | I believe the Bible.
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You mean you believe the stuff you like and close your eyes to the
stuff you don't understand. |
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:47:04 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 29, 5:32 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Your ignorance is not my problem.
Because you believe me to be ignorant of the Word of God, and because
you claim to be a follower of Jesus Christ - if you truly love the
Lord, my ignorance most definitely *is* your problem. If what you
believe to be true about *my* Christianity and what you believe to be
true about *your* Christianity is correct, you will have to give an
account one day for believing "it's not [your] problem". If you
really were an authentic follower of Christ, you would already know
that.
huh??
You really don't get what I wrote or are you playing not getting what
I wrote?
You're a fake and a phony.
According to you.
I'd be willing to bet that I'm not the only one here who feels that
way.
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Not my problem.
Unlike you, I don't need "acceptance" for my lifestyle.
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I'm not concerned about your judgment of me.
And I'm not concerned that you're not concerned.
I don't have to twist Scripture to make it fit my lifestyle.
I don't have a "lifestyle", I have a life. I go to work everyday, I
pay my bills, I buy groceries, I put gas in my vehicle(s), I use
toilet paper, I bleed if I'm cut. All just like you. Now, is there
something so very different about my day-to-day life than yours you'd
like to clue me in on? Because honestly, I don't see how you could
possibly know anything about how I live my life - all you can do is
guess. Unless you have a remote camera hidden somewhere in my house
right at this moment, you know absolutely nothing about my alleged
"lifestyle" other than what I said above.
Isn't it kinda silly to make a judgement about something you are
completely in the dark about?
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I'm not in the dark about an unrepentant homosexual.
I believe the Bible. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Oct 31, 7:28 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | It's too bad that you don't care what God thinks.
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Of course I care what God thinks. It's people's opinions I couldn't
care less about.
| Quote: | You're a liar.
But I'm not surprised since that's what Romans says.
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Romans 1 is talking about idol worship and what happens to those who
engage in such. Stop trying to turn the truth of God - His Word -
into something it was never intended to be just so you can justify
your prejudices and hatred for those who make you uncomfortable. The
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:58:00 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 30, 5:56 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Not my problem.
Nothing outside your tiny, egocentric world is ever your problem, is
it?
Unlike you, I don't need "acceptance" for my lifestyle.
I don't "need acceptance", either. Amongst those who count, I'm
accepted for who I am and for *Whose* I am - that's all that matters
to me.
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It's too bad that you don't care what God thinks.
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I'm not in the dark about an unrepentant homosexual.
You are if all you know about my life is what you've imagined. That's
just a fact - your imaginings about who I am and how I run my life are
not facts.
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Your refusal to condemn homosexual activity is a fact.
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I believe the Bible.
You mean you believe the stuff you like and close your eyes to the
stuff you don't understand.
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You're a liar.
But I'm not surprised since that's what Romans says. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Nov 1, 9:17 am, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Every time you deny or twist or pollute His teaching (the Bible)
when you find it convenient (like your comments about Romans 1
referring to temple prostitutes)
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Which is exactly what Romans 1 is referring to. Not my fault you
refuse to see it and believe it.
Did anybody ask your opinion? |
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