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 Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Nov 1, 9:21 am, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | I'll take the word of a scholar like Dr Charles Swindoll, or a Dr
Charles Stanley, or a Dr John MacArthur before I take the word of a
pervert like you, Kelly.
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A pervert, huh? John1212 (aka johnseattle2@yahoo.com aka
jweatherly2@yahoo.com) gives graphic anatomical advice on how to know
if you're still a virgin to teenage girls, yet *I'm* the "pervert"?
hahahahahahahahalolololololololololol
| Quote: | They are all know, RESPECTED scholars; you are a pretender.
And now you falsely claim that you know better what's in scripture
than the known, respected scholars!
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You wanna talk scholars? Try these on for size: Rev. Dr. Tony
Campolo, Bishop John S. Spong, Rev. William Stayton, Bishop Melvin
Wheatley, Rev. Dr. John B Cobb, Jr., Rev. Dr. James B. Nelson, Rev.
Dr. Karen Lebacqz, Rev. Harry L. Holfelder, Rev. Dr. Janet Edwards,
Bishop Stanley E. Olson...etc., etc., etc. Are you going to tell me
that every one of these saved, ordained by God, Biblical scholars with
miles of post graduate degrees behind them are wrong and you are
right?
| Quote: | You're a joke, Kelly! Only you're not funny! And you're corrupt
to the core!
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Said by a porn-writing welfare scammer who likes to give sex-education
and hygenic advice to teenage girls online.
| Quote: | You have NO excuse! Because you have the same modern translations
the rest of us have, but you come to a MINORITY conclusion about the
text!
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I do? What "modern translation" do I have, John? Can you see into my
office and visualize them all? How about the other books around the?
Can you see those too?
| Quote: | pot kettle. Romans 1 is not a puzzle, but you claim it is,
because you claim everyone BUT you "mis-understands."
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Inever said it is a puzzle - but even if it *were* a puzzle, the
instructions in Greek were left for that puzzle. Don't know Greek?
No big - just find a good online Hebrew-Greek Bible concordance
(Strong's, Vine's work fine) and you're on your way. But you are too
lazy to do it, aren't you?
| Quote: | Yet I see NO (ZERO) mention of "temple prostitutes" in Romans
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Obviously you can't read. Obviously you refeuse to look into the
original Greek. Obviously you're an idiot.
| Quote: | You make it up as you go!
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Let's see...your "cop buddy" wouldn't be "Soi" the security guard in
the facility where you reside, would he?
Who's the one "making it up" as they go, John1212? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Nov 1, 9:54 am, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Anyone who calls themselves "reverend" has no credibility.
That is a title for God, not man.
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Red herring.
Has nothing to do with the fact that all of those people with
"reverend" in front of their names are learned and experienced bible
scholars. It also has nothing to do with the fact that you claimed
there are no Bible scholars who see the Scriptures (that are allegedly
condemnatory toward homosexuality) as I do.
Nice try. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:33:12 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
| Quote: | On Oct 25, 5:22 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Anyone who has been bought by the blood of Christ has been saved.
According to Peter, they can deny Him & lose their salvation.
I've never denied that Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the only Son of God
Who died as an atonement for my sins is my Savior and Lord. Never.
And I never will.
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Every time you deny or twist or pollute His teaching (the Bible)
when you find it convenient (like your comments about Romans 1
referring to temple prostitutes)
you deny Him.
john w
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2 Peter 2:
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through
the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again
entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them
than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of
righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy
commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The
dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to
her wallowing in the mire.
I suggest you study this Scripture very carefully.
osas is a dangerous doctrine.
2 Peter 2:2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people,
even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall
bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them,
and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
"denying the Lord that bought them"
"swift destruction"
The thing you don't get is that by taking the words on the page
literally you have become a false teacher.
According to your false doctrine, you call the Scriptures a lie.
No, I don't. You're problem is that you're too lazy to look deep into
the Scriptures. You don't seem to get that the words on the page of
the Bible version you prefer may not match what the original languages
were saying. "Study to show thyself approved" doesn't mean "read and
take literally the words on the page" - it means study, it means dig
deep, it means become a student, not a reader.
According to your false doctrine God cannot destroy anyone who has
been bought by Christ.
That's a lie.
So which is it?
You or Scripture?
I'll believe Scripture
Fine. But you have to understand what it's really saying, first. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:12:00 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
| Quote: | On Oct 27, 5:17 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
You're really full of it.
Am I?
You have taken the Scriptures and twisted them to fit your own
religion.
Nope - I've read them for what they are and what they were intended to
be. Something you can't claim because you've let a long list of Bible
version editors decide for you what the Scriptures *really* say.
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I'll take the word of a scholar like Dr Charles Swindoll, or a Dr
Charles Stanley, or a Dr John MacArthur before I take the word of a
pervert like you, Kelly.
They are all know, RESPECTED scholars; you are a pretender.
john w
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The Bible is not a puzzle.
No, it's not. So why haven't you figure out how to read what's really
there?
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And now you falsely claim that you know better what's in scripture
than the known, respected scholars!
You're a joke, Kelly! Only you're not funny! And you're corrupt
to the core!
You have NO excuse! Because you have the same modern translations
the rest of us have, but you come to a MINORITY conclusion about the
text!
Are you saying you're not even smart enough to figure out
| Quote: | something that isn't even a puzzle?
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pot kettle. Romans 1 is not a puzzle, but you claim it is,
because you claim everyone BUT you "mis-understands."
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It was written to be understood by all
people for all times.
Sure it was. Then why do you have a version that differs from what
was originally "written to be understood by all people for all times"?
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Yet I see NO (ZERO) mention of "temple prostitutes" in Romans 1.
You make it up as you go!
john w
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Your attempt to nullify Scripture is an
abomination.
I've never done any such thing. And I never would. The problem with
literal Bible version readers like yourself is that you're too
stubborn to take the Bible for what it is and was originally intended
to be - you'd rather be lazy and read what Bible version editors tell
you it really says. That's not very smart.
What makes you so much smarter than many college professors and
scholars?
Oh, I don't. But when you see the list below, you may think twice
about that statement...
Do you think you are the only one in history who has studied the
Bible?
Absolutely not. Do you think that you and a whole bunch of other
literal Bible-readers have cornered the market on understanding it?
You should try reading some of what Rev. Tony Campolo and Bishop John
S. Spong and Rev. William Stayton and Bishop Melvin Wheatley and Rev.
Dr. John B Cobb, Jr. and Rev. Dr. James B. Nelson and Rev. Dr. Karen
Lebacqz and Rev. Harry L. Holfelder and Rev. Dr. Janet Edwards and
Bishop Stanley E. Olson (and on and on and on) all have to say about
the Bible and homosexuality. Are you going to tell me that every one
of these saved, ordained by God, Biblical scholars with miles of post
graduate degrees behind them are wrong and you are right?
Puhleeeze...
To quote you: "What makes you so much smarter than many college
professors and scholars?"
Study this word: repent.
What does studying God's Word and repenting have to do one with the
other? When one has repented of sin and accepted the Lord Jesus
Christ as their Savior and His sacrifice on the cross as atonement,
one has the Holy Spirit and the peace that passes all understanding.
I study the Word correctly *because* I have all of that - not to
*attain* that. People who are in need of salvation don't study the
Word to get to salvation, doofus.
That doesn't mean that if youy're gay it's ok to remain that way, it
means to turn the other way.
You forgot to say "in my opinion". The Word of God says nothing of
the sort.
You will go to any lengths to remain gay even to the destriuction of
your own soul.
I'm a Christian who happens to be gay - IOW, I'm a Christian first,
and everything else is secondary.
I pity you.
I don't need, nor want, your pity. It's you who should be pitied
because you think yourself to be knowledgeable in the Word without
understanding the heart of the Word.
I know what it says
You prove on a regular basis that you don't.
& I don't try to change its meaning in order to
justify my way of life.
Yeah...suuurre you don't...hypocrite. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:01:14 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
<316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Oct 31, 7:28 pm, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
It's too bad that you don't care what God thinks.
Of course I care what God thinks. It's people's opinions I couldn't
care less about.
You're a liar.
But I'm not surprised since that's what Romans says.
Romans 1 is talking about idol worship and what happens to those who
engage in such. Stop trying to turn the truth of God - His Word -
into something it was never intended to be just so you can justify
your prejudices and hatred for those who make you uncomfortable.
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You think way too highly of yourself.
I'm very comfortable.
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only one who is lying about the Word of God here is you.
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As I've said before, you are a liar.
But you have to justify yourself.
Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not
fulfil the lust of the flesh.
And then Paul goes on to say:
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against
the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye
cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife,
seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the
which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that
they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering,
gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the
affections and lusts.
hatred, hmmmm.....
You hate me because I expose your lies. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 09:45:50 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com>
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You wanna talk scholars? Try these on for size: Rev. Dr. Tony
Campolo, Bishop John S. Spong, Rev. William Stayton, Bishop Melvin
Wheatley, Rev. Dr. John B Cobb, Jr., Rev. Dr. James B. Nelson, Rev.
Dr. Karen Lebacqz, Rev. Harry L. Holfelder, Rev. Dr. Janet Edwards,
Bishop Stanley E. Olson...etc., etc., etc. Are you going to tell me
that every one of these saved, ordained by God, Biblical scholars with
miles of post graduate degrees behind them are wrong and you are
right?
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Psalm 111:9 He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his
covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
Anyone who calls themselves "reverend" has no credibility.
That is a title for God, not man. |
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| Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2008 3:28 am Post subject: Re: Kelly & Tom what have you to say about Scripture on homo |
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2008 10:11:25 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>" <316kcbk@gmail.com>
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| Quote: | On Nov 1, 9:54 am, CB <country2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Anyone who calls themselves "reverend" has no credibility.
That is a title for God, not man.
Red herring.
Has nothing to do with the fact that all of those people with
"reverend" in front of their names are learned and experienced bible
scholars.
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I don't believe you.
They say what you want to hear so you hang on every word regardless of
credibility.
| Quote: | It also has nothing to do with the fact that you claimed
there are no Bible scholars who see the Scriptures (that are allegedly
condemnatory toward homosexuality) as I do.
Nice try.
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Unlike you, I believe the Bible while you try to make God a liar. |
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