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PostPosted: Sat Aug 16, 2003 8:05 pm    Post subject: Old People - 2 Reply with quote

Evidence of man's existence upon earth antedating the time
of the creation of Adam can readily be traced to the
existence of the race of people prior to the great
catastrophe described in Genesis 1:2. It is possible that
through the misuse of power, perhaps atomic energy, that
civilization perished and the earth itself became
uninhabitable. (See "The Release of Atomic Energy,"
Documentary Studies, Vol. II, p. 222, by Howard B. Rand)

There is no real controversy between true science and the
Bible as to the age of the earth or as to the length of
man's existence upon this globe of ours. Between the first
and second verses of the first chapter of Genesis there may
be eons of years, thus leaving a sufficient number of blank
pages upon which science may write its records of antiquity.
However, following the conditions described in the second
verse of this chapter, it became necessary for God to
restore this part of His creation to its original state of
perfection.

Discussing the account of creation, it was stated in "The
Crumbling Wall of Untempered Mortar:"

"The first chapter of Genesis is a panoramic description of
the majestic order of creation. Yahweh, the Creator, brought
into being the heavens and the earth and brought fort upon
earth its vegetation, animal and human life. This chapter is
complete in itself as to the whole process of creation,
ending with the creation of man, male and female, assigning
them the food they should eat."

Adam is referred to by Paul in the New Testament as the
first man:

"And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living
soul." (1 Corinthians 15:45)

Ferrar Fenton translates it this way:

"For so it is written, The first man (Adam) was a living
nature."

James Moffatt renders it this way:

"The first man, Adam, became an animate being, the last
Adam a life-giving Spirit, but the animate, not the
spiritual, come first, and only then the spiritual."

We would do well to pause here and read Ferrar Fenton's
translation of the forming of man as given in the second
chapter of Genesis:

"The Ever-Living God afterwards FORMED Man from the dust of
the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the life of
animals; But Man became a life-containing soul."

Paul's declaration that Adam was the first man insofar as
the present order of the ages is concerned is substantiated
by Esdras in his summation:

"Adam also, whom that madest lord of all thy creatures; of
him come we all, and THE PEOPLE ALSO WHOM THOU HAS CHOSEN.
All this have I spoken before thee, O Lord, because thou
madest the wold for our sakes. As for the other people,
which also come of Adam, thou hast said that they are
nothing...And now, O Lord, behold these heathen, which have
ever been reputed as nothing, have begun to be lords over
us, and to devour us." (2 Esdras 6:54-57)

There is no evidence whatever in the Bible to disprove
Paul's reference in the New Testament to Adam as the first
man insofar as the present order of the ages is concerned.
But Paul does not stop there, he goes on to deny the obvious
and presents the idea of other human beings coexisting with
Adam does violence to the Scriptures, destroying the meaning
of Paul's writings concerning the necessity for the
atonement of Christ to save men's souls.

Paul explains:

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and
death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all
have sinned." (Romans 5:12)

From that premise Paul reasons to the ultimate conclusion
made possible by God's mercy:

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be
made alive." (1 Corinthians 15:22)

This is patently untrue, and I believe Paul knew it at the
time he was writing this; but was presenting a false belief
that Christ came for all men, which He obviously did not do.
For we are told twice:

"But go rather TO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL."
(Matthew 10:6)

"But he answered and said, I AM NOT SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST
SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL." (Matthew 15:24)

There is nothing here that even remotely suggests that
Christ came to all humans, but that He came only to the
Israelites of the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.
Therefore, there is only one explanation Paul is a liar and
is teaching false doctrine here in these verses.

Now many of you who worship Paul as some sort of "Christ"
or special apostle can just jump up and down, stand on your
head and scream at the moon, sun and stars but Paul in this
instance is a liar the scriptures prove it.

In the second chapter of Genesis, instead of stating that
man was CREATED, we are told:

"And the Lord God FORMED man of the dust of the ground, and
BREATHED INTO HIS NOSTRILS THE BREATH OF LIFE; and man
became a living soul." (Genesis 2:7)

Stress is laid upon the fact that there is a distinction
between "CREATED" and "form" and we agree that the primary
definitions of these two words must be considered. However,
the theory that such a distinction indicates two different
acts of bringing man into existence is an unwarranted
assumption. All Bible students are handicapped, it is true
by the fact that the explanatory statements in Genesis
concerning this subject are all too brief and it is
impossible to supply the meaning of all the factors that
contributed to making up the record as we now have it.
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