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 Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote
| Quote: | "wax" <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote
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So even you find parts of Daniel to be screwed up. And you are trying
to defend it.
I don't have to.
JESUS ALREADY DID.
Or, to be more precise, Jesus upheld DANIEL THE PROPHET.
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There is some circular logic here. The prophecies in the "Book of Daniel"
are given as evidence that Jesus is the Messiah. Now you are using Jesus as
evidence that the prophecies in the "Book of Daniel" are genuine.
| Quote: | Now, as to the BOOK of Daniel, that's another matter altogether, as a
latter scribe attempted to supply prophecy AND interpretation, WHICH GOD
DOESN'T DO. (If He did, it would limit the prophecy
to ONE interpretation instead of MULTIPLE interpretations, which
is how PROPHECY REALLY WORKS.)
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"MULTIPLE interpretations"?
You are being modest. By now those prophecies have been given hundreds of
thousands of interpretations. You yourself are adding more to the number,
and look at the other interpretations you are getting in response.
--Wax
Job 38:4
Where were you
when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you possess understanding! |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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"wax" <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote
"wax" <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote
[snip]
So even you find parts of Daniel to be screwed up. And you are trying
to defend it.
I don't have to.
JESUS ALREADY DID.
Or, to be more precise, Jesus upheld DANIEL THE PROPHET.
There is some circular logic here.
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Nonsense.
Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken
of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him
understand:)
Mr 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by
Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth
understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains...
Jn 10:22-23
And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon’s porch.
Jesus UPHELD THE PROPHECIES OF DANIEL, in both WORD and PRACTICE.
| Quote: | The prophecies in the "Book of Daniel" are given as evidence that Jesus
is the Messiah. Now you are using Jesus as evidence that the prophecies
in the "Book of Daniel" are genuine.
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???
Quite the opposite.
Jesus upheld DANIEL THE PROPHET. That DOES NOT MEAN that Jesus UPHELD THE
"BOOK OF DANIEL" as it came down through history.
| Quote: | Now, as to the BOOK of Daniel, that's another matter altogether, as a
latter scribe attempted to supply prophecy AND interpretation, WHICH GOD
DOESN'T DO. (If He did, it would limit the prophecy
to ONE interpretation instead of MULTIPLE interpretations, which
is how PROPHECY REALLY WORKS.)
"MULTIPLE interpretations"?
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Yes, MULTIPLE INTERPRETATIONS in MULTIPLE SETTINGS, just like EVERY OTHER
PROPHECY OF THE BIBLE.
| Quote: | You are being modest. By now those prophecies have been given hundreds of
thousands of interpretations. You yourself are adding more to the
number, and look at the other interpretations you are getting in response.
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No, I'm getting down to the nitty-gritty of the story AS IT "WAS," AS IT
"IS," and AS IT IS "YET TO COME."
And there are NOT "hundreds of thousands of interpretations." To date, there
are FOUR models (with minor variations), in the churches--the HISTORICIST
model, the PRETERIST model, the IDEALIST model, and the DISPENSATIONALIST
model, none of which are right.
The model I'VE been advocating--TRIUNISM--is ALL OF THE ABOVE and NONE OF
THE ABOVE at the same time, as it COMPARTMENTALIZES each statement of
prophecy AS IT ACTUALLY OCCURRED or WILL OCCUR in due course of time.
Everything from the destruction of the temple to the end of the Maccabean
Revolt was ONE STATEMENT.
Everything from the defilement by Pompey, through the first advent of Jesus
Christ, and on to the end of the Simon bar Cochba Revolt was an ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT STATEMENT (only running backwards).
Everything in the End of the Age WILL BE A STATEMENT UNTO ITSELF, containing
ASPECTS of the PREVIOUS TWO.
THIS is the model THAT FITS THE PROPHETIC FORM DECLARED THROUGHOUT THE WORD,
i.e. "That which has been is now, and that which is to be has already
become, and God requires that which is past," [Ecc 3:15] a statement that
John uses IN EVERY ROTATION throughout the book of Revelation [hint, hint].
Ike |
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wax
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote
| Quote: | "wax" <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote
"wax" <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote
[snip]
So even you find parts of Daniel to be screwed up. And you are
trying to defend it.
I don't have to.
JESUS ALREADY DID.
Or, to be more precise, Jesus upheld DANIEL THE PROPHET.
There is some circular logic here.
Nonsense.
Mt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken
of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso
readeth, let him understand:)
Mr 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken
of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that
readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the
mountains...
Jn 10:22-23
And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter.
And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon's porch.
Jesus UPHELD THE PROPHECIES OF DANIEL, in both WORD and PRACTICE.
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Which only proves that the authors of the gospels, and perhaps Jesus, read
"The Book of Daniel." As you admit, every prophecy in the Bible can be
given multiple interpretations. Therefore you can always say that a
prophecy has been fulfilled by this, and/or will be fulfilled by that.
| Quote: | The prophecies in the "Book of Daniel" are given as evidence that Jesus
is the Messiah. Now you are using Jesus as evidence that the prophecies
in the "Book of Daniel" are genuine.
???
Quite the opposite.
Jesus upheld DANIEL THE PROPHET. That DOES NOT MEAN that
Jesus UPHELD THE "BOOK OF DANIEL" as it came down through history.
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You didn't even read what I wrote.
"Now you are using Jesus as evidence that the prophecies
in the "Book of Daniel" are genuine."
Note it says, "the PROPHECIES in the "Book of Daniel". Either way, it is
still circular logic.
| Quote: | Now, as to the BOOK of Daniel, that's another matter altogether, as a
latter scribe attempted to supply prophecy AND interpretation,
WHICH GOD DOESN'T DO. (If He did, it would limit the prophecy
to ONE interpretation instead of MULTIPLE interpretations, which
is how PROPHECY REALLY WORKS.)
"MULTIPLE interpretations"?
Yes, MULTIPLE INTERPRETATIONS in MULTIPLE SETTINGS,
just like EVERY OTHER PROPHECY OF THE BIBLE.
You are being modest. By now those prophecies have been given hundreds
of thousands of interpretations. You yourself are adding
more to the number, and look at the other interpretations you are
getting in response.
No, I'm getting down to the nitty-gritty of the story AS IT "WAS," AS IT
"IS," and AS IT IS "YET TO COME."
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As you interpret the prophecies to fit the occasion.
| Quote: | And there are NOT "hundreds of thousands of interpretations." To date,
there are FOUR models (with minor variations), in the churches--the
HISTORICIST model, the PRETERIST model, the IDEALIST model,
and the DISPENSATIONALIST model, none of which are right.
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And each model has hundreds of thousands of variations, limited only by the
imagination of the human mind.
| Quote: | The model I'VE been advocating--TRIUNISM--is ALL OF THE ABOVE and NONE OF
THE ABOVE at the same time, as it COMPARTMENTALIZES each statement of
prophecy AS IT ACTUALLY OCCURRED or WILL OCCUR in due course of time.
Everything from the destruction of the temple to the end of the Maccabean
Revolt was ONE STATEMENT.
Everything from the defilement by Pompey, through the first advent of
Jesus Christ, and on to the end of the Simon bar Cochba Revolt was an
ENTIRELY DIFFERENT STATEMENT (only running backwards).
Everything in the End of the Age WILL BE A STATEMENT UNTO ITSELF,
containing ASPECTS of the PREVIOUS TWO.
THIS is the model THAT FITS THE PROPHETIC FORM DECLARED
THROUGHOUT THE WORD, i.e. "That which has been is now, and that which is
to be has already become, and God requires that which is past," [Ecc 3:15]
a statement that John uses IN EVERY ROTATION throughout the book of
Revelation [hint, hint].
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The Book of Revelation has been the downfall of many fools who believed that
they could interpret Biblical prophecies.
--Wax
Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to his words,
lest he reprove you, and prove you to be a liar. |
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