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The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine,
between verses 26 and 27. Verse 26 depicts the death of the Messiah and
the destruction of Jerusalem, which events took place in AD 30 and 70
AD. However, verse 27 depicts the "Abomination of Desolation" which
Jesus depicted as an end time event. Mt 24:14-21.
Is this "Omission of world events and human history" seen in other
scripture?
SOME THINGS ARE OMITTED
John wrote, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the
which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the
world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.
John 21:25.
Some things Jesus did were not recorded, and that goes for a lot of
human history too -- since there are not enough books to hold it all.
I would like to take a look at places in God's Word where human history
is omitted. To discover these omission, we need to examine prophecy
concerning two events: The establishment of the Kingdom of God, and the
Day of Judgment.
Specifically, when did or will these events occur? Compare the following
three sets of Scripture carefully and prayerfully.
First coming of the Lord
Isa 2:2-4, 42:1-4, Jere 23:5, Dan 2:44, Mat 1:21, John 4:23, Luke 9:27,
1 John: 1-8, Col 1:1-13.
Destruction and Judgment
Isa 42:13-15, Dan 2:44, Luke 9:27. 1 John 1:1-8, Col 1:1-13, John 4:23,
1 Cor 15:50.
New Heaven and Earth
Dan 12:2, Micah 4:1-3, Rev 11:15-19 and 16:17-21.
Old Testament History Omitted
According to the Master's own Word, the Kingdom was to be established
before the generation who witnessed His life and death all died. Luke
9:27, Dan 2:44.
Therefore "in the days of these Kings" (the first half of the Roman
Empire) the Kingdom of God was "set up." In other words, His people were
chosen. Mat 1:21, Acts 2:37-47, Rev 12:10.
Next, according to the Word of God as recorded by John, Daniel and
Micah, the Day of Judgment is also the day of The End of this world:
That Day, The Day of God, the day of the Seventh Trumpet. "The day...
the dead... should be judged." 2 Peter 3:7, 10-12.
Isaiah and Jeremiah
So we have discovered an almost 2,000 year omission of human history
concealed within Isaiah 2:2-4, 42:1-12, 13-15 and Jeremiah 23:5.
Therefore it seems that Isaiah and Jeremiah have omitted almost two
thousand years of human history: since they write as if the
establishment of the Kingdom and Judgment Day will occur at the same time.
Daniel
This missing history is also detectable in Daniel's writings. The first
place is between the "legs of iron" in 2:40 and the "feet and toes of
iron mixed with miry clay" in verse 41.
The next place is in Chapter 8 at verses 8 and 9. Verse 8 describes
Alexander's death and division of the empire. Verse 9 depicts the
"little horn" who will rule the world for almost seven years (2300 days)
at The End of Time. 7:8, 23-26, 8:23-25.
The next place this omission can be seen seems to be in Chapter 9, verse
24. The Messiah died "to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation
for iniquity." But "everlasting righteousness" is not yet "brought in."
The next omission is between verses 26 and 27. The City and Temple were
destroyed by Titus in A.D. 70. Yet verse 27 depicts the last seven years
of man's physical existence. However there is no mention of the history
of man from 70 AD to the rise (and final destruction) of the
Abomination. Dan 7:27. 1 Cor 15:50-54, Rev 11:3-13, 19:20, 20:10.
Omission by Matthew and Luke
Luke
The next place the omission of human history can be detected is between
Luke 21:24-25
"Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, [missing world
history], until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
And:
"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars;
and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the
waves roaring..."
So the whole of human history which seems to be described as "the times
of the gentiles" is omitted between Luke's 24th and 25th verse; since
verse 25 describes events at the coming of the Lord.
The "times of the Gentiles" began with the fall of Jerusalem and
continued [with no description given in prophecy] until the return of
God's People (Mat 1:21) to Jerusalem in 1967.
Matthew
This omission of human history can also be seen in Matthew's writing.
"And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not
yet." Matthew 24:6-8.
These events were described as happening before the fall of Jerusalem,
and meaning that "the end is not yet." Luke gave the same list as
Matthew in v 7; and stated "But before all these," and described events
which would occur from then to the fall of Jerusalem. Luke 21:12-24.
Then Matthew continued:
"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and
there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers
places. Now Matthew says, "All these are the beginning of sorrows."
From the time Jesus spoke, in about AD 30 until "the beginning of
sorrows" was about 1,887 years.
The difference between the amount of time omitted by Matthew and Luke is
the difference in their subject.
Matthew did not name Jerusalem, Luke did. Matthew omitted from his own
time to the beginning of sorrows.
Luke did not mention the Abomination, Matthew did. Luke omitted the time
following the destruction of Jerusalem to the signs of the end.
We can not know how long the "Gap" is between Daniel chapter Nine verse
26 and verse 27, because verse 27 covers the last seven years of human
history.
Conclusion
It should not come as a surprise that some human events, and world
history, has been omitted from the Bible account of God's Plan and
purpose for His Creation. Some is just not significant, and some, while
appearing significant to us at the time, has no effect on the course of
prophecy, or on the final consummation.
If we take the omission of history from Christ's Days before His death
until the beginning of Sorrows, then that is approximately 1887 years.
However, if we take the omission of human history by Luke as from the
destruction of Jerusalem to the occupation and control of Jerusalem by
God's People (Mat 1:21) then that is 1,897 years.
No matter which; it is not the number of years which is important. What
is important is to recognize that prophecy is being fulfilled in the
lifetime of this generation.
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled." Mat 24:34.
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up
your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28
Amen.
Glenn
His witness
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Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog |
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Mistylein
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"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine, between verses
26 and 27. Verse 26 depicts the death of the Messiah and the destruction of Jerusalem,
which events took place in AD 30 and 70 AD. However, verse 27 depicts the "Abomination
of Desolation" which Jesus depicted as an end time event. Mt 24:14-21.
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REad the prophecy as no gap and you will have read it properly.
"THERE IS NO GAP IN THE PROPHOCY OF DANIEL 9.
M,
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Is this "Omission of world events and human history" seen in other scripture?
SOME THINGS ARE OMITTED
John wrote, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they
should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain
the books that should be written. Amen. John 21:25.
Some things Jesus did were not recorded, and that goes for a lot of human history
too -- since there are not enough books to hold it all.
I would like to take a look at places in God's Word where human history is omitted. To
discover these omission, we need to examine prophecy concerning two events: The
establishment of the Kingdom of God, and the Day of Judgment.
Specifically, when did or will these events occur? Compare the following three sets of
Scripture carefully and prayerfully.
First coming of the Lord
Isa 2:2-4, 42:1-4, Jere 23:5, Dan 2:44, Mat 1:21, John 4:23, Luke 9:27, 1 John: 1-8,
Col 1:1-13.
Destruction and Judgment
Isa 42:13-15, Dan 2:44, Luke 9:27. 1 John 1:1-8, Col 1:1-13, John 4:23, 1 Cor 15:50.
New Heaven and Earth
Dan 12:2, Micah 4:1-3, Rev 11:15-19 and 16:17-21.
Old Testament History Omitted
According to the Master's own Word, the Kingdom was to be established before the
generation who witnessed His life and death all died. Luke 9:27, Dan 2:44.
Therefore "in the days of these Kings" (the first half of the Roman Empire) the
Kingdom of God was "set up." In other words, His people were chosen. Mat 1:21, Acts
2:37-47, Rev 12:10.
Next, according to the Word of God as recorded by John, Daniel and Micah, the Day of
Judgment is also the day of The End of this world: That Day, The Day of God, the day
of the Seventh Trumpet. "The day... the dead... should be judged." 2 Peter 3:7, 10-12.
Isaiah and Jeremiah
So we have discovered an almost 2,000 year omission of human history concealed within
Isaiah 2:2-4, 42:1-12, 13-15 and Jeremiah 23:5.
Therefore it seems that Isaiah and Jeremiah have omitted almost two thousand years of
human history: since they write as if the establishment of the Kingdom and Judgment
Day will occur at the same time.
Daniel
This missing history is also detectable in Daniel's writings. The first place is
between the "legs of iron" in 2:40 and the "feet and toes of iron mixed with miry
clay" in verse 41.
The next place is in Chapter 8 at verses 8 and 9. Verse 8 describes Alexander's death
and division of the empire. Verse 9 depicts the "little horn" who will rule the world
for almost seven years (2300 days) at The End of Time. 7:8, 23-26, 8:23-25.
The next place this omission can be seen seems to be in Chapter 9, verse 24. The
Messiah died "to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity." But
"everlasting righteousness" is not yet "brought in."
The next omission is between verses 26 and 27. The City and Temple were destroyed by
Titus in A.D. 70. Yet verse 27 depicts the last seven years of man's physical
existence. However there is no mention of the history of man from 70 AD to the rise
(and final destruction) of the Abomination. Dan 7:27. 1 Cor 15:50-54, Rev 11:3-13,
19:20, 20:10.
Omission by Matthew and Luke
Luke
The next place the omission of human history can be detected is between Luke 21:24-25
"Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, [missing world history], until the
times of the Gentiles be fulfilled."
And:
"And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the
earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring..."
So the whole of human history which seems to be described as "the times of the
gentiles" is omitted between Luke's 24th and 25th verse; since verse 25 describes
events at the coming of the Lord.
The "times of the Gentiles" began with the fall of Jerusalem and continued [with no
description given in prophecy] until the return of God's People (Mat 1:21) to
Jerusalem in 1967.
Matthew
This omission of human history can also be seen in Matthew's writing. "And ye shall
hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things
must come to pass, but the end is not yet." Matthew 24:6-8.
These events were described as happening before the fall of Jerusalem, and meaning
that "the end is not yet." Luke gave the same list as Matthew in v 7; and stated "But
before all these," and described events which would occur from then to the fall of
Jerusalem. Luke 21:12-24.
Then Matthew continued:
"For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be
famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. Now Matthew says, "All
these are the beginning of sorrows."
From the time Jesus spoke, in about AD 30 until "the beginning of sorrows" was about
1,887 years.
The difference between the amount of time omitted by Matthew and Luke is the
difference in their subject.
Matthew did not name Jerusalem, Luke did. Matthew omitted from his own time to the
beginning of sorrows.
Luke did not mention the Abomination, Matthew did. Luke omitted the time following the
destruction of Jerusalem to the signs of the end.
We can not know how long the "Gap" is between Daniel chapter Nine verse 26 and verse
27, because verse 27 covers the last seven years of human history.
Conclusion
It should not come as a surprise that some human events, and world history, has been
omitted from the Bible account of God's Plan and purpose for His Creation. Some is
just not significant, and some, while appearing significant to us at the time, has no
effect on the course of prophecy, or on the final consummation.
If we take the omission of history from Christ's Days before His death until the
beginning of Sorrows, then that is approximately 1887 years.
However, if we take the omission of human history by Luke as from the destruction of
Jerusalem to the occupation and control of Jerusalem by God's People (Mat 1:21) then
that is 1,897 years.
No matter which; it is not the number of years which is important. What is important
is to recognize that prophecy is being fulfilled in the lifetime of this generation.
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be
fulfilled." Mat 24:34.
"And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads;
for your redemption draweth nigh." Luke 21:28
Amen.
Glenn
His witness
--
www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
Glenn McClary, servitum, gaedhealic, oldwetdog
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colp
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 6:23 am Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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On Aug 5, 10:13 am, Glenn <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine,
between verses 26 and 27. Verse 26 depicts the death of the Messiah
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No, It speaks of the Messiah being cut off.
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the destruction of Jerusalem, which events took place in AD 30 and 70
AD. However, verse 27 depicts the "Abomination of Desolation" which
Jesus depicted as an end time event. Mt 24:14-21.
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No, It's not an end time event. It happened within one generation (40
years) of the ministry of Yeshua.
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:34
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Is this "Omission of world events and human history" seen in other
scripture?
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Omissions (though not necessarily of human history) occurred between
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colp
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 7:14 am Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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On Aug 7, 6:14 pm, "wax" <weather...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | There are also internal inconsistencies. The most obvious is Dan 1:21 which
says that Daniel lived until the first year of Cyrus the king. Yet in Dan
10:1 Daniel receives a prophecy in the third year of Cyrus.
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Daniel 1:21 does not say anything about when Daniel died. The verse
describes a continuation, which, in context, refers to Daniels advice
to the king.
Have you got any other internal inconsistencies, wax? |
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:46 am Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine,
between verses 26 and 27.
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Horseshit.
In c. 167 BC, Antiochus Epiphanes "confirmed" the covenant with Menelaus
that he had made earlier with the traitorous priest Jason, but within a
year, Antiochus attacked Jerusalem and committed the abomination of
desolation, taking away the "sacrifices and oblations" by raiding the temple
treasury and ordering that all tributes be paid to him.
"Desolations" were "poured out" on Antiochus as he continued to loose battle
after battle to the Jews, the Egyptians, and, ultimately the Romans, and he
died at the hands of his own soldiers, who were fed up with his foolishness.
These are the historical facts, and they are indisputable.
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 10:47 am Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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"Mistylein" <yardholler@charter.net> wrote in message
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"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine,
between verses 26 and 27. Verse 26 depicts the death of the Messiah and
the destruction of Jerusalem, which events took place in AD 30 and 70 AD.
However, verse 27 depicts the "Abomination of Desolation" which Jesus
depicted as an end time event. Mt 24:14-21.
REad the prophecy as no gap and you will have read it properly.
"THERE IS NO GAP IN THE PROPHOCY OF DANIEL 9.
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Of course not: It was all fulfilled between the destruction of the temple in
158 BC and the end of the Maccabean Revolt in 160 BC.
End of round 1.
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wax
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:14 am Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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One of the curious things about the book of Daniel is its place in the
Jewish canon. Instead of being listed among the Prophets where you would
expect it, Daniel is part of the Writings. The explanation for this
inconsistency is simple. Daniel was written after the canon for Prophets
was closed circa 200 b.c.e.
The discovery of literally thousands of clay tablets in Babylon has given us
a reliable timeframe of Babylonian kings and dynasties. From these we find
that there are historical inaccuacies in Daniel which rule against it having
been written by Daniel or by a contempoary of Daniel in th 6th. century
b.c.e. Instead, the context and prophecies themselves point to the time
of the Maccabean revolt in mid 2nd century b.c.e. as the date of its
writing.
The Book of Daniel begins by stating:
Daniel 1
1:1 In the third year of the reign of King Jehoiakim
of Judah King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon advanced
against Jerusalem and laid it under siege. 1:2 Now the
LORD delivered King Jehoiakim of Judah into his
power,
This appears to be a description of the first siege of Jerusalem in 597
b.c.e. which occurred in the twelfth year of Jehoiakim, not the third, and
into the reign of his son Jehoiachin. In the third year of Jehoiakim (606
b.c.e.) Nebuchadrezzar was not yet King of Babylon, and the Egyptians were
still dominant in the region.
One of the main characters in "Daniel" is King Belshazzar. According to
verse Dan 5:2, Belshazzar was the son of Nebuchadnezzar. But from the
Babylonian records we have a complete list of the Babylonian successions and
the years in which they ruled. The succession from Nabopolassar to
Nabonidus is:
Nabopolassar 626-605 b.c.e.
Nebuchadnezzar 605-562
Amel-Marduk 562-559
Neriglissar 559-555
Labishi-Marduk 556
Nabonidus 556-539
The first four names on the list are Chaldean kings who ruled over Babylon.
Nabonidus was a Babylonian and came to power in a palace revolt.
Belshazzar was the son of Nabonidus, and became co-regent with him. The
book of Daniel not only had the wrong man for Belshazzar's father, but it
neglects to mention that Belshazzar was only a co-regent. Nabonidus and
Belshazzar rule ended in 539 when Babylon fell to the Persian king Cyrus.
Nabonidus died either that day or shortly after.
In Daniel 5:30-31 Belshazzar is killed and Darius the Mede rules the
kingdom. Who was Darius the Mede? You may be thinking of the Darius who
signed the decree permitting the Israelites to return home, but he was a
Persian, not a Mede, and he came after Cyrus, not before.
No Median empire ever ruled over Babylon. The Median empire itself was
overthrown by Cyrus seventeen years before Belshazzar's dearth. Various
names have been submitted as Darius the Mede, but there is always a problem
with each one. And it is clear from chapter 6 that this Darius is fully a
king and not just a satrap or local governor.
There are also internal inconsistencies. The most obvious is Dan 1:21 which
says that Daniel lived until the first year of Cyrus the king. Yet in Dan
10:1 Daniel receives a prophecy in the third year of Cyrus.
What about Daniel's prophecies?
In chapter 2, Nebuchadnezzar has a dream which Daniel interprets. The
dream is about four kingdoms were to rule the world before they are replaced
by the heavenly kingdom which will stand forever (Dan 2:37-45.) In chapter
7 Daniel himself has a vision of four beasts, and ends with the coming of
"the son of man". An Angel interpret the beasts as being four kingdoms
which will rule until the coming of the Kingdom of God (Dan
7:27.)
In Daniel 12:4 an Angel tells Daniel to "seal up the book" until "the end
time." The book appears in the middle of the second century b.c.e. The
implication is that the book was written in the second century b.c.e. and
the writer viewed that to be "the end time." The four kingdoms should
therefore would be identified as Babylon, Media, Persia, and Greece.
The he-goat of the second vision is Alexander, and the "king of the south"
and the "king of the north" in the fourth vision are the Ptolemaic and
Seleucid dynasties of Egypt and Syria, while the boasting horn of the first
vision, the blasphemous little horn of the second, the "prince who shall
come" of the third, and the furious "king of the north" of the fourth vision
all typify Antiochus Epiphanes who, according to 1 Maccabees, persecuted the
Jews from 168 onward and sought to destroy Judaism in its ancestral home.
The author knows about "the abomination that makes desolate" (1 Macc 1:54)
(Dan 11:31, 12:11), so we may assume that the setting up of the altar had
already taken place. But he gives conflicting times on when it will be
removed (1 Macc 41-51.) thus indicating that it has not be removed at the
time of the writing. This places the date of composition between 167
and 164 b.c.e.
Taking this date of composition we see that chapter 11:22-45 gives an
account of the reign of Antiochus Epiphanes (the "King of the North"),
including the persecutions and the revolt of Judas.
But in verses 11:40-45, "the end time", Antiochus invades Egypt (the "King
of the South") for a third time and dies there. Then at Dan 12:1 the
angel Michael appears and the Kingdom of God is established. However,
Antiochus did not invade Egypt for a third time. Instead he died in the
east. That gives us verse 11:40 that history passes into prophecy,
and this would be the time the book was written.
Finally, linguists have found that a large number of the words used in
Daniel are Greek and Persian loanwords, confirming a composition in the
Greek period.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:46:10 -0500,
in article <g7e273$k6o$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine,
between verses 26 and 27.
Horseshit.
In c. 167 BC, Antiochus Epiphanes "confirmed" the covenant with Menelaus
that he had made earlier with the traitorous priest Jason, but within a
year, Antiochus attacked Jerusalem and committed the abomination of
desolation, taking away the "sacrifices and oblations" by raiding the temple
treasury and ordering that all tributes be paid to him.
"Desolations" were "poured out" on Antiochus as he continued to loose battle
after battle to the Jews, the Egyptians, and, ultimately the Romans, and he
died at the hands of his own soldiers, who were fed up with his foolishness.
These are the historical facts, and they are indisputable.
[snip]
Ike
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That they are indisputable, historical facts doesn't make them
anything more than a typical fulfillment of the prophecy. Even
in your three, seventy year iteration, scheme of things, you
admit this isn't the "real" fulfillment, but have the final 70
year iteration remaining.
While Christ's atonement is the foundation for the removal of
Israel's sin, and the ushering in of the ages of
righteousness, that remains to occur, in practice (Rom.
11:25ff.; cf. 2 Thess. 2:3ff.).
--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself
up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every
thought to make it obedient to Christ. †2 Corinthians 10:5 |
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colp
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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On Aug 8, 6:46 am, "wax" <weather...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
| Quote: | "colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote
"wax" <weather...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
There are also internal inconsistencies. The most obvious is Dan 1:21
which says that Daniel lived until the first year of Cyrus the king. Yet
in Dan 10:1 Daniel receives a prophecy in the third year of Cyrus.
Daniel 1:21 does not say anything about when Daniel died. The verse
describes a continuation, which, in context, refers to Daniels advice
to the king.
Daniel 1:21 NET Bible
Now Daniel lived on until the first year of Cyrus the king.
Daniel 10:1 NET Bible
In the third year of King Cyrus of Persia a message was revealed to
Daniel (who was also called Belteshazzar)
I agree that most translations say "continued on", but the context does not
agree with your interpretation.
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Why not? The context is about Daniel's role as an advisor to the king.
And the king communed with them; and among them all was found none
like Daniel, Hananiah, Mishael, and Azariah: therefore stood they
before the king.
And in all matters of wisdom [and] understanding, that the king
enquired of them, he found them ten times better than all the
magicians [and] astrologers that [were] in all his realm.
And Daniel continued [even] unto the first year of king Cyrus.
Daniel 1:19-21
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Have you got any other internal inconsistencies, wax?
I find it amusing that in Dan 1:3-7 that Daniel and his friends are selected
to receive three years instructions in Babylonian literature and language.
In verses 1:18-20 we learn that after the appointed time (three years) that
Daniel and his friends pass with flying colors. It says nothing about him
advising the king.
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It probably wasn't a full-time position.
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Now, in Dan 2:1, in the second year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign, the king has
some dreams. Nobody can interpret the dreams until Daniel does so. As a
result, Nebuchadrezzr grants Daniel authority over the entire province of
Babylon and also appoints Daniel's friends to high office (Dan 2:46-49.).
All of this. one year before Daniel and his friends finished their three
year training.
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They were brought to Babylon because they were from the elite of
Hebrew society. This and Daniel's success with the dream was probably
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"colp" <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote
| Quote: | "wax" <weather...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
There are also internal inconsistencies. The most obvious is Dan 1:21
which says that Daniel lived until the first year of Cyrus the king. Yet
in Dan 10:1 Daniel receives a prophecy in the third year of Cyrus.
Daniel 1:21 does not say anything about when Daniel died. The verse
describes a continuation, which, in context, refers to Daniels advice
to the king.
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Daniel 1:21 NET Bible
Now Daniel lived on until the first year of Cyrus the king.
Daniel 10:1 NET Bible
In the third year of King Cyrus of Persia a message was revealed to
Daniel (who was also called Belteshazzar)
I agree that most translations say "continued on", but the context does not
agree with your interpretation. In fact, we come to another inconsistency.
| Quote: | Have you got any other internal inconsistencies, wax?
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I find it amusing that in Dan 1:3-7 that Daniel and his friends are selected
to receive three years instructions in Babylonian literature and language.
In verses 1:18-20 we learn that after the appointed time (three years) that
Daniel and his friends pass with flying colors. It says nothing about him
advising the king.
Now, in Dan 2:1, in the second year of Nebuchadnezzar's reign, the king has
some dreams. Nobody can interpret the dreams until Daniel does so. As a
result, Nebuchadrezzr grants Daniel authority over the entire province of
Babylon and also appoints Daniel's friends to high office (Dan 2:46-49.).
All of this. one year before Daniel and his friends finished their three
year training.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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On Aug 7, 5:46 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybo...@msn.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Glenn" <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
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The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine,
between verses 26 and 27.
Horseshit.
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Why doesn't that suprise me, coming from you?
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In c. 167 BC, Antiochus Epiphanes "confirmed" the covenant with Menelaus
that he had made earlier with the traitorous priest Jason, but within a
year, Antiochus attacked Jerusalem and committed the abomination of
desolation, taking away the "sacrifices and oblations" by raiding the temple
treasury and ordering that all tributes be paid to him.
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It wasn't the abomination of desolation relevant to the gospels, as
this event had yet to occur in their time.
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by
Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth
understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:32 am Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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"wax" <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | One of the curious things about the book of Daniel is its place in the
Jewish canon. Instead of being listed among the Prophets where you would
expect it, Daniel is part of the Writings.
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What Bible have you been reading?
Daniel is the last of the major prophets, and the first of the minor
prophets, and he isn't located ANYWHERE NEAR the "writings."
Isaiah, Jeremiah, (Lamentations of Jeremiah), Ezekiel, DANIEL, Hosea, Joel,
etc., etc.
[snip the rest of the ignorant ranting]
Ike
P.S. There is no section of "prophets" in the Jewish canon to begin with.
It's the law, history books, poetry books, and OTHER writings, including the
books we refer to as "the prophets."
And the Jews never referred to these by section, but by the saying "the law
and the prophets."
So your argument is ridiculous in every way.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:43 am Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote
| Quote: | "wax" <weatherwax@worldnet.att.net> wrote
One of the curious things about the book of Daniel is its place in the
Jewish canon. Instead of being listed among the Prophets where you would
expect it, Daniel is part of the Writings.
What Bible have you been reading?
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The Jewish Publication Society's translation, "TANAKH, The Holy Scriptures"
1985 edition.
| Quote: | Daniel is the last of the major prophets, and the first of the minor
prophets, and he isn't located ANYWHERE NEAR the "writings."
Isaiah, Jeremiah, (Lamentations of Jeremiah), Ezekiel, DANIEL, Hosea,
Joel, etc., etc.
[snip the rest of the ignorant ranting]
Ike
P.S. There is no section of "prophets" in the Jewish canon to begin with.
It's the law, history books, poetry books, and OTHER writings, including
the books we refer to as "the prophets."
And the Jews never referred to these by section, but by the saying "the
law and the prophets."
So your argument is ridiculous in every way.
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The Jewish canon is divided into three major sections: Torah, the Prophets,
and the Writings , The books and divisions are listed below:
Torah Five Books of Moses.
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Nevi'im The Prophets
Joshua
Judges
1 & 2 Samuel
1 & 2 Kings
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Ezekiel
The Minor Prophets
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Malachi
Kethuvim The Writings
Psalms
Proverbs
Job
The Song of Songs
Ruth
Lamentations
Ecclesiastes
Esther
Daniel
Ezra
Nehemiah
1 & 2 Chronicles
I hope this helped.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: OMISSION OF HUMAN HISTORY (AKA, "THE GAP") |
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colp wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 7, 5:46 pm, "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybo...@msn.com
wrote:
"Glenn" <gamccl...@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:g77utn02nmd@enews1.newsguy.com...
The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine,
between verses 26 and 27.
Horseshit.
Why doesn't that suprise me, coming from you?
In c. 167 BC, Antiochus Epiphanes "confirmed" the covenant with Menelaus
that he had made earlier with the traitorous priest Jason, but within a
year, Antiochus attacked Jerusalem and committed the abomination of
desolation, taking away the "sacrifices and oblations" by raiding the temple
treasury and ordering that all tributes be paid to him.
It wasn't the abomination of desolation relevant to the gospels, as
this event had yet to occur in their time.
But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by
Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth
understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Mark 13:14
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Amazing, isn't it, that Jesus spoke of Daniel's prophecy of the
Abomination as being in the disciples future... but some claim that He
was a liar, or a fool, and that the abomination was historical to His day!
Bottom line, plain and simple, Preterists state that Jesus was a liar.
Glenn
His witness
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www.thelittlebookopened.org [Key words:] "The Little Book";
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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"Randy ®" <pulpitfire@gmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:46:10 -0500,
in article <g7e273$k6o$1@registered.motzarella.org>,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"Glenn" <gamcclary@spiritone.com> wrote in message
news:g77utn02nmd@enews1.newsguy.com...
The Omission of History From God's Word
Daniel's "Gap" (omission of human history) is visible in Chapter Nine,
between verses 26 and 27.
Horseshit.
In c. 167 BC, Antiochus Epiphanes "confirmed" the covenant with Menelaus
that he had made earlier with the traitorous priest Jason, but within a
year, Antiochus attacked Jerusalem and committed the abomination of
desolation, taking away the "sacrifices and oblations" by raiding the
temple
treasury and ordering that all tributes be paid to him.
"Desolations" were "poured out" on Antiochus as he continued to loose
battle
after battle to the Jews, the Egyptians, and, ultimately the Romans, and
he
died at the hands of his own soldiers, who were fed up with his
foolishness.
These are the historical facts, and they are indisputable.
[snip]
Ike
That they are indisputable, historical facts doesn't make them
anything more than a typical fulfillment of the prophecy.
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No, shit, Sherlock--THE FIRST FULFILLMENT of them, from THE DESTRUCTION OF
THE TEMPLE to the END OF THE MACCABEAN REVOLT, which means that THE PROPHECY
WAS FULFILLED IN IT'S ENTIRETY before GOING ON TO ANOTHER STATEMENT.
THANKS.
YOU JUST CONFESSED THAT DISPENSATIONALIST ESCHATOLOGY is BULLSHIT.
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in your three, seventy year iteration, scheme of things,
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NEVER SAID ANY SUCH THING, asshole.
| Quote: | you
admit this isn't the "real" fulfillment, but have the final 70
year iteration remaining.
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WHICH IS PRECISELY RIGHT, moron.
THE PROPHECY WAS BASED ON SEVENTY YEARS ALL ALONG, FOLLOWING DANIEL'S FORM,
JESUS' OUTLINE, AND JOHN'S STEP-BY-STEP CHRONOLGY.
FINALLY, RANDY REALIZES THAT THE FACTS ARE INDISPUTABLE, AND CONFESSES THAT
WHAT I SAID ALL ALONG WAS RIGHT, which means HIS ESCHATOLOGY IS BULLSHIT.
About time.
Ike |
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