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Romauld
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 Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Humor |
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Recently, a script from liberalbear@lycos.com arrived, in which they said:
: I always mean to watch that show, but never seem to find the time. I
: hear good things about it.
It's a well-written show which covers a lot of issues from
(at times) unusual angles.
~R
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Romauld - romauld at necrotheque dot dcu
All Pagans who think of themselves as Elders should read this:
http://www.partiallyclips.com/pages/archive.php?id=1021&b=1 |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:28 am Post subject: Re: OT: Humor |
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| Quote: | I'm sure you can. Republicans, however, don;t get peopel arrested, fined or kicked out of college for sayign somethign politically incorrect.
Have you followed the attacks on critics of Israel? Ward Churchill?
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Ward has not been arrested. He has not been fined. He has not even been
kicked out of college for being a historian who lies blatantly about
history.
| Quote: | Eric Alterman, "What LIberal Media?" David Brock, anything.
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http://www.mediaresearch.org/biasbasics/welcome.asp
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ucac/20050531/cm_ucac/whatleftwingpbsbias
http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A3336_0_2_0_C/
As far as fairly obvious evidence fo left wing bias in the media: note
how easy it is to find images of Iraqis dead or maimed (usually by
"insurgents"), and then compare with the almost complete dearth of
photos of Americans dead or maimed on 9-11. In the 9-11 case, the
excuse that I heard/read a number of times was that the media didn;t
want to inflame the public, hurt peoples feelings, disturb people, etc.
But when it comes time to make the US look bad - dead or injured, Abu
Grabass, Gitmo, whatever - the media is front and center.
| Quote: | Except, of course, that the story about Bush's NG time was true.
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Except, of course, that it wasn't. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:13 am Post subject: Re: OT: Humor |
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lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
| Quote: | I'm sure you can. Republicans, however, don;t get peopel arrested, fined or kicked out of college for sayign somethign politically incorrect.
Have you followed the attacks on critics of Israel? Ward Churchill?
Ward has not been arrested. He has not been fined. He has not even been
kicked out of college
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Yet the attempt is there, yes? (Psst, and no one is buying that the RW
has made him into a hated celebrity-figure because they care about the
1837 Mandan, it's about his 9/11 statement- try to be honest).
I have no doubt that you think the corporate media is "liberal". The
facts do not support it. The columnists do not support it. It is
resoundingly centrist with coverage that ranges to the left a bit and
to the right a bit further (there's no LW equivalent to the RW hosts in
terms of extremism and influence). I think rational observers can see a
bit of this and of that. My complaint with themedia isn't similar to
your hysterical liberal conspiracy nonsense, it is that too few are as
bold as they ought to be, for myriad reasons, in challenging the
Administration.
I post the Media Matters for America site (http://www.mediamatters.org)
and the FAIR site (http://www.fair,org) because they don't give loony
RW conspiracy theories, but balanced facts. The Columbia Journalism
Review is another good resourse. You'll see some exposure of RW slant
by this writer or that in this story or that, and you'll also see
quotes from the same sources which ar factual.
There's been a long discourse on "balance" by RW ideologues over the
years. Since the primary journalistic goal is to weigh facts to present
as accurate a picture of the truth, of what really happened, as
possible, the RW goal is to pair their ideological positions alongside
as "balance". That's gone a bit too far, with absurd RW ideological
talking points getting more attention than they merit, as "balance".
Now Fox and the Limbaugh's of the world have gone a step further,
displacing reality entirely with talking points and spin they call
"fair and balanced". Their Dittoheads are well-trained to decry the
"liberal media" and to live in the unreality the RW creates.
| Quote: | Except, of course, that the story about Bush's NG time was true.
Except, of course, that it wasn't.
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Research it (and not in World Net Daily, Fox, or any of the other John
Birch Society spin-offs).
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 4:54 am Post subject: Re: OT: Humor |
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hulk_arnold_hercules@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
I'm sure you can. Republicans, however, don;t get peopel arrested, fined or kicked out of college for sayign somethign politically incorrect.
Have you followed the attacks on critics of Israel? Ward Churchill?
Ward has not been arrested. He has not been fined. He has not even been
kicked out of college
Yet the attempt is there, yes?
Yes, and for good reason. Would you support the taxpayer-funded |
employment of a history teacher who taught that, say, the moon landings,
the Holocaust and the Inquisitions were hoaxes, made up after the fact?
<SNIP conspiracy lunacy>
| Quote: | Except, of course, that the story about Bush's NG time was true.
Except, of course, that it wasn't.
Research it
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Already have. The claims in the memos have not panned out. |
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| Posted: Sat Jun 11, 2005 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: OT: Humor |
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Scott Lowther wrote:
| Quote: | Yet the attempt is there, yes?
Yes, and for good reason. Would you support the taxpayer-funded
employment of a history teacher who taught that, say, the moon landings,
the Holocaust and the Inquisitions were hoaxes, made up after the fact?
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1) There was no concern about the 1837 Mandan epidemic until
Churchill's 9/11 comments.The right is trying to punish someone not for
academic reasons- about which none truly gives a damn- but because they
don't like his political views.
2) The controversy over smallpox-nfected blankets is not Churchill's
creation. In a different historical context, similar claims have long
existed. Therefore (again, everything for you comes back to the Nazis,
doesn't it?) his viewpoint isn't like Holocaust denial but more like
saying the Holocaust extended to Switzerland.
3) European acts of genocide against native peoples is undeniable in
many contexts- Sand Creek, the Trail of Tears, the California Indians-
so ultimately such faux-outrage is doubly misplaced.
| Quote: | Except, of course, that the story about Bush's NG time was true.
Except, of course, that it wasn't.
Research it
Already have. The claims in the memos have not panned out.
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1) In the Vietnam era, the rich and connected used National Guard
service to evade military duty in Vietnam (not all rich and connected
did so- John Kerry went and fought). Anything else is simply a
distraction from this single, salient fact, that this militarist
President is a chickenhawk. Others died so that Bush would live so that
others would die.
2) Bush's NG service was spotty, even at that.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/bush/national_guard/
http://www.awolbush.com/ (good links)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rathergate (this is just a good review of
the whole documents issue).
3) CBS fired 4 over the story, because of the questionable documents.
This points to an admirable concern for credibility and a commitment to
the truth. FoxNews lies regularly, including anchorman Brit Hume. How
many have been fired? Point, CBS.
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:36 am Post subject: Re: OT: Humor |
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hulk_arnold_hercules@yahoo.com wrote:
| Quote: | Scott Lowther wrote:
Yet the attempt is there, yes?
Yes, and for good reason. Would you support the taxpayer-funded
employment of a history teacher who taught that, say, the moon landings,
the Holocaust and the Inquisitions were hoaxes, made up after the fact?
1) There was no concern about the 1837 Mandan epidemic until
Churchill's 9/11 comments.
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Bullshit. As I *repeatedly* pointed out to you, the whole time I lived
in the Denver area, Ward was in the news pissign people off (stopping
Columbuas Day, for instance).
Since you proceed from this initial false assumption, there's no need to
review the rest of your post. |
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PSn
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 8:39 am Post subject: Re: OT: Humor |
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"Scott Lowther" <scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | hulk_arnold_hercules@yahoo.com wrote:
Scott Lowther wrote:
Yet the attempt is there, yes?
Yes, and for good reason. Would you support the taxpayer-funded
employment of a history teacher who taught that, say, the moon landings,
the Holocaust and the Inquisitions were hoaxes, made up after the fact?
1) There was no concern about the 1837 Mandan epidemic until
Churchill's 9/11 comments.
Bullshit. As I *repeatedly* pointed out to you, the whole time I lived
in the Denver area, Ward was in the news pissign people off (stopping
Columbuas Day, for instance).
Since you proceed from this initial false assumption, there's no need to
review the rest of your post.
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Locally, in my town, we have an editor who regularly inserts her opinions
into EVERY article; its an obvious violation of Jounalistic Ethics.
However, since she's yet to attack any politicians outside the city limits,
she's yet to get much attention on Fox News.
She gets plenty of flak here, but she doesn't get national attention.
Churchill may have gotten flak locally, but until he lobbed a volley at the
current and past administrations, he suddenly became important enough to
have his past examined nationally.
It's funny how not a single conservative pundit ever has debunked his
accusations that the reason we have so much trouble in the middle east is
because of things we've done, not because they "hate our freedom". |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:50 am Post subject: Re: OT: Humor |
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PSn wrote:
| Quote: | Churchill may have gotten flak locally, but until he lobbed a volley
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current and past administrations, he suddenly became important enough to
have his past examined nationally.
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Local stories tend to go national when the people *outside* the local
area find out about it and decide it's interesting (see: Jon Benet
Ramsey). Some moron says that those who died in the WTC deserved it,
eventually someone outside will notice. |
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