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***"WE" don't have to accept any heresy from any other religious belief
system.
Your concept of "heresy" comes from God.
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***Excellent. Could be God is telling the EOC something about what to avoid
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 08:22:34 -0400, "AGGreen" <AGG@spambot.tv> wrote:
Hey, al, if we don't need the Pope, why do you guys need patriarchies?
***Patriarchates are just ethnic divisions. Rome was once an Orthodox
patriarchate. Patriarchs and bishops serve the same function as they do
in
your Eastern Rite Roman Catholic churches. Didn't you know that there
is,
for instance, a Roman Catholic patriarch of Jerusalem?
Wrong answer, al. Are you telling me that the problem in the EOC is
one
of ethnic division?
***There is no EOC problem except in demented minds.
Lots of those in the EOC?
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***And the priest who fondled little altar boys in the RCC are not a
problem. LOL! Pot, kettle, black...
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Of country origin? Of course, I can't say I'm surprised. So
the Greeks won't talk to the Turks who won't talk to the Romanians, etc.
***Actually, they talk more than you think.
But why ethnic, al? Because, al.....................they are all
different
little countries (ethnic considerations) that don't like each other???
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***Because there are different countries in the world with differing
customs... Use your head, man!
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So either each one of your ethnic division moves in, and is free to move
in, a different direction. The purpose of a single leader is to command
one
direction for all. That's that the Pope does.
***and the bishops and people do pretty much what they damn well please
anyway!! LOL!
Al, al, al, don't you see why your problems are caused by lack of a top to
the
pyramid?
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***Duke, Duke, Duke, don't you see why your problems with altar boy buggery
is caused by an ineffective man at the top of your pyramid???
Your Church is like little countries - ethnic gets in the way of
| Quote: | religion. You carry the pyramid to the patriarch level only and then drop
it.
What is the EOC fear of the final step, al?
***But know that the theology and dogma of all of the Orthodox
jurisdictions
are exactly the same. and this is what holds us together. the "ethnic
divisions" are little more than administrative and autonomous units. It
has
worked very well for 2,000 years.
Yet you're scared to death of a central figure. Not so the RCC - we have
the
Holy Father assigned by Christ.
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***Scared to death. LOL & ROTF! We have no need to twist scripture to
accommodate that which all of the Eastern patriarchates rejected from the
BEGINNING of the Church. You are one very humorous guy!
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***In your effort to denigrate the EOC, you denigrate the same things
that
are present in the RCC. You sure do like to travel down slippery slopes.
Making my point for the need for the single Holy Father is exactly what
I
was looking to get out of you.
***But I don't believe that a single holy father does much for you guys
either, let alone me. I have no need for a "top dog" pope.
Then why do you have need for a local & regional "boss" but no big boss?
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***The same reason your church has Patriarchs in its Eastern Rite churches.
Don't point any finger at us for being "wrong" when your own church has the
same kind of "regional bosses." God God, man, know your own Church first
before trying to defend it against what your own church accepts.
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It's called a pyramid structure. It's a classical management technique.
***And for the EOC, the pyramid structure is evicent in every Eastern
Orthodox jurisdiction. Works really good.
Yeah, real well. I can just see a Greek telling a Turk patriarchate that
they
must use unleavened bread for the Eucharist at all times. Talk about a
revolution. The bread bakers would go ballistic.
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***This ranks among you most ignorant statements since your own church
accepts the use in its Eastern Rites of leavened bread. Is there no defender
of Roman Catholicism available who has more knowledge of the RCC?
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: Hey, algreen - Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:29:48 -0400, "AGGreen" <AGG@spambot.tv> wrote:
| Quote: | Wrong answer, al. Are you telling me that the problem in the EOC is
one of ethnic division?
***There is no EOC problem except in demented minds.
Lots of those in the EOC?
***And the priest who fondled little altar boys in the RCC are not a
problem. LOL! Pot, kettle, black...
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Oh, those are mortal sins, al, regardless of which Church you attend. Now what
do the demented EOC guys do?
| Quote: | Of country origin? Of course, I can't say I'm surprised. So
the Greeks won't talk to the Turks who won't talk to the Romanians, etc.
***Actually, they talk more than you think.
But why ethnic, al? Because, al.....................they are all
different
little countries (ethnic considerations) that don't like each other???
***Because there are different countries in the world with differing
customs... Use your head, man!
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I do use my head, al. The Roman Catholic Church is world wide with **ONE** Holy
Father over it all. And we don't have those ethnic problems like you EOC boys
do. You guys would be a lot better off if you guys broke off your schism and
joined back up with the Chruch that Christ founded - the Roman Catholic Church.
| Quote: | So either each one of your ethnic division moves in, and is free to move
in, a different direction. The purpose of a single leader is to command
one
direction for all. That's that the Pope does.
***and the bishops and people do pretty much what they damn well please
anyway!! LOL!
Al, al, al, don't you see why your problems are caused by lack of a top to
the pyramid?
***Duke, Duke, Duke, don't you see why your problems with altar boy buggery
is caused by an ineffective man at the top of your pyramid???
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Not a chance, al. The Pope has nothing to do with it - it's a matter of bad men
hired by the RCC. And that house has been cleaned. Now you ortho types are
still at each others throats. Those ethnic problems of yours won't go away.
| Quote: | Yet you're scared to death of a central figure. Not so the RCC - we have
the
Holy Father assigned by Christ.
***Scared to death. LOL & ROTF!
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You've got a reason, al.
| Quote: | We have no need to twist scripture to
accommodate that which all of the Eastern patriarchates rejected from the
BEGINNING of the Church. You are one very humorous guy!
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You're doing the Chubby Checker twist, al. You eastern boys decided to
interpret scripture to suit your own ethnic needs, and to hell with the Lord's
words.
| Quote: | ***In your effort to denigrate the EOC, you denigrate the same things
that
are present in the RCC. You sure do like to travel down slippery slopes.
Making my point for the need for the single Holy Father is exactly what
I
was looking to get out of you.
***But I don't believe that a single holy father does much for you guys
either, let alone me. I have no need for a "top dog" pope.
Then why do you have need for a local & regional "boss" but no big boss?
***The same reason your church has Patriarchs in its Eastern Rite churches.
Don't point any finger at us for being "wrong" when your own church has the
same kind of "regional bosses." God God, man, know your own Church first
before trying to defend it against what your own church accepts.
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That's what I'm trying to advise you of, al. You cheerfully hide from your
Chruches problem. Turn to the Pope, al, as Jesus told us to do.
| Quote: | It's called a pyramid structure. It's a classical management technique.
***And for the EOC, the pyramid structure is evicent in every Eastern
Orthodox jurisdiction. Works really good.
Yeah, real well. I can just see a Greek telling a Turk patriarchate that
they
must use unleavened bread for the Eucharist at all times. Talk about a
revolution. The bread bakers would go ballistic.
***This ranks among you most ignorant statements since your own church
accepts the use in its Eastern Rites of leavened bread. Is there no defender
of Roman Catholicism available who has more knowledge of the RCC?
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And what keeps coming is the rejection of the "Eastern" Chruches of the
authority of the Pope.
But you see, or maybe you don't after all, is that we Catholics are not called
to understand our Chruches and their branches. We Catholics are called to
worship God. I think you EOC boys think you're called to study history.
duke, American-American
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| Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: Hey, algreen - Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:14:41 -0700 (PDT), athair ambrois <emrys@globe.net.nz>
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| Quote: | On Jul 30, 12:29 am, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
Al, al, al, don't you see why your problems are caused by lack of a top to
the
pyramid?
***Duke, Duke, Duke, don't you see why your problems with altar boy buggery
is caused by an ineffective man at the top of your pyramid???
I think you could have a point there, Al. Ther attitude of the
Vatican to the American scandals under Pope John Paul and Cardinal
Ratzinger was a major concern.
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And maybe al is blowing smoke. The Pope has spoken. The house has been
cleaned. The major problem only came to light a few years ago.
duke, American-American
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:42:02 -0700 (PDT), athair ambrois <emrys@globe.net.nz>
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| Quote: | On Jul 30, 12:29 am, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
. Is there no defender
of Roman Catholicism available who has more knowledge of the RCC?
Liam does an excellent job of presenting the Roman Catholic viewpoint
but apart from him I think that all the Catholics have fled the Forum
and left it to Duke.
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Talking to your spokesman digitwit is like talking to a brick wall riding on a
merry go-round. aa, you act like a religious wannabe. And as for as for al, he
loves leavened bread.
duke, American-American
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:22:29 -0400, "AGGreen" <AGG@spambot.tv> wrote:
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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***"WE" don't have to accept any heresy from any other religious belief
system.
Your concept of "heresy" comes from God.
***Excellent. Could be God is telling the EOC something about what to avoid
in RCism. Thank you Jesus! LOL!
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I find it hard to visualize the Holy Father as heresy. But leave it to you
ortho boys, you DO find a way.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: Re: Hey, algreen - Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), athair ambrois <emrys@globe.net.nz>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 29, 11:51 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Al, al, al, don't you see why your problems are caused by lack of a top to the
pyramid? Your Church is like little countries - ethnic gets in the way of
religion. You carry the pyramid to the patriarch level only and then drop it.
What is the EOC fear of the final step, al?
The pyramis structure of the Roman Church has proved a major disaster
for unity! Let's look at history through RC spectacles.....
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Oh, wake up, aa. If you have bishops in your Church, you're only one level
short in the pyramid. You guys don't want those outside your area telling you
what to do, and
| Quote: | 1. The papacy was unable to maintain unity with the Churches of
Egypt and Armenia, Syria etc., in the sixth century. The Vatican has
now admitted that it made a gross mistake with the theology of these
Churches and the only problem was simply one of semantics.
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Well, that's certainly one you guys avoid by being ethnic oriented. Maybe you'd
like us to include the EOC as one of the gross mistakes. That pretty much
sounds like what the problem is.
| Quote: | However the result was that the papacy caused a major schism and
millions of Catholics were thrown out of the Church unjustly by the
Pope.
2. 500 years later, the papacy made significant blunders again, with
the rwst of the Catholic Churches of the East (the one which are now
Orthodox.) Because of, let's be frank, the arrogance of the man at
the top of the pyramid, millions of Catholics were cast out into
schism. The Orthodox Church was born.
3. Another 500 years, and we find that the corruption of the papal
pyramid causes the Protestant Reformation and again, the loss to the
Pope and the Catholic Church of millions of Catholics.
So we see that there have been three major splits in the Catholic
Church - all caused by the Pope and your pyramidal structure.
You lost the Copts and the other Oriental Churches - through papal
ignorance of theology.
You lost the Greeks and the other Eastern Orthodox - through papal
arrogance
You lost the Protestants and many European countries - through papal
corruption.
On the whole, the papacy and the pyramidal structure have been quite a
catastrophe for the unity of your Church. History shows that looking
upon the papacy as a unifying force is a bit of wild imagining.
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And what your're saying is that the smaller you keep it, the less trouble you
have with a region. Your bishop level Chruch is a good example of hiding from
ethnic problems by keeping the local Church local only.
I'm not impressed with your dissertation on this one. Christ called for one
universal Church. He put the Holy Father in charge, and nothing will overcome
your man-type ethnic preferences even to the exclusion of the one Christian
Church.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:35 am Post subject: Re: Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:22:29 -0400, "AGGreen" <AGG@spambot.tv> wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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***"WE" don't have to accept any heresy from any other religious belief
system.
Your concept of "heresy" comes from God.
***Excellent. Could be God is telling the EOC something about what to
avoid
in RCism. Thank you Jesus! LOL!
I find it hard to visualize the Holy Father as heresy. But leave it to
you
ortho boys, you DO find a way.
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***We find no heresy in your pope as head of the Roman Patriarchate...or as
first among equals. But some of the other stuff the old fallen away
patriarchate has come up with...well... |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Hey, algreen - Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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On Jul 30, 12:29 am, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
| Quote: | . Is there no defender
of Roman Catholicism available who has more knowledge of the RCC?
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Liam does an excellent job of presenting the Roman Catholic viewpoint
but apart from him I think that all the Catholics have fled the Forum
and left it to Duke.
***Judging from Duke's erroneous statements about the papacy, I think they
fled Duke. |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:42:02 -0700 (PDT), athair ambrois
emrys@globe.net.nz
wrote:
On Jul 30, 12:29 am, "AGGreen" <A...@spambot.tv> wrote:
. Is there no defender
of Roman Catholicism available who has more knowledge of the RCC?
Liam does an excellent job of presenting the Roman Catholic viewpoint
but apart from him I think that all the Catholics have fled the Forum
and left it to Duke.
Talking to your spokesman digitwit is like talking to a brick wall riding
on a
merry go-round. aa, you act like a religious wannabe. And as for as for
al, he
loves leavened bread.
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***Why, Duke, are you unwilling to accept the fact that your Eastern ite
Roman Catholic churches use leavened bread with the Vatican's blessing. You
make no sense in refusing to acknowledge this. We've even shown you this
with articles from the Catholic Encyclopedia. |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:29:48 -0400, "AGGreen" <AGG@spambot.tv> wrote:
Wrong answer, al. Are you telling me that the problem in the EOC is
one of ethnic division?
***There is no EOC problem except in demented minds.
Lots of those in the EOC?
***And the priest who fondled little altar boys in the RCC are not a
problem. LOL! Pot, kettle, black...
Oh, those are mortal sins, al, regardless of which Church you attend. Now
what
do the demented EOC guys do?
Of country origin? Of course, I can't say I'm surprised. So
the Greeks won't talk to the Turks who won't talk to the Romanians,
etc.
***Actually, they talk more than you think.
But why ethnic, al? Because, al.....................they are all
different
little countries (ethnic considerations) that don't like each other???
***Because there are different countries in the world with differing
customs... Use your head, man!
I do use my head, al. The Roman Catholic Church is world wide with
**ONE** Holy
Father over it all. And we don't have those ethnic problems like you EOC
boys
do. You guys would be a lot better off if you guys broke off your schism
and
joined back up with the Chruch that Christ founded - the Roman Catholic
Church.
So either each one of your ethnic division moves in, and is free to
move
in, a different direction. The purpose of a single leader is to
command
one
direction for all. That's that the Pope does.
***and the bishops and people do pretty much what they damn well please
anyway!! LOL!
Al, al, al, don't you see why your problems are caused by lack of a top
to
the pyramid?
***Duke, Duke, Duke, don't you see why your problems with altar boy
buggery
is caused by an ineffective man at the top of your pyramid???
Not a chance, al. The Pope has nothing to do with it - it's a matter of
bad men
hired by the RCC. And that house has been cleaned. Now you ortho types
are
still at each others throats. Those ethnic problems of yours won't go
away.
Yet you're scared to death of a central figure. Not so the RCC - we
have
the
Holy Father assigned by Christ.
***Scared to death. LOL & ROTF!
You've got a reason, al.
We have no need to twist scripture to
accommodate that which all of the Eastern patriarchates rejected from the
BEGINNING of the Church. You are one very humorous guy!
You're doing the Chubby Checker twist, al. You eastern boys decided to
interpret scripture to suit your own ethnic needs, and to hell with the
Lord's
words.
***In your effort to denigrate the EOC, you denigrate the same things
that
are present in the RCC. You sure do like to travel down slippery
slopes.
Making my point for the need for the single Holy Father is exactly
what
I
was looking to get out of you.
***But I don't believe that a single holy father does much for you guys
either, let alone me. I have no need for a "top dog" pope.
Then why do you have need for a local & regional "boss" but no big boss?
***The same reason your church has Patriarchs in its Eastern Rite
churches.
Don't point any finger at us for being "wrong" when your own church has
the
same kind of "regional bosses." God God, man, know your own Church first
before trying to defend it against what your own church accepts.
That's what I'm trying to advise you of, al. You cheerfully hide from
your
Chruches problem. Turn to the Pope, al, as Jesus told us to do.
It's called a pyramid structure. It's a classical management
technique.
***And for the EOC, the pyramid structure is evicent in every Eastern
Orthodox jurisdiction. Works really good.
Yeah, real well. I can just see a Greek telling a Turk patriarchate
that
they
must use unleavened bread for the Eucharist at all times. Talk about a
revolution. The bread bakers would go ballistic.
***This ranks among you most ignorant statements since your own church
accepts the use in its Eastern Rites of leavened bread. Is there no
defender
of Roman Catholicism available who has more knowledge of the RCC?
And what keeps coming is the rejection of the "Eastern" Chruches of the
authority of the Pope.
But you see, or maybe you don't after all, is that we Catholics are not
called
to understand our Chruches and their branches. We Catholics are called to
worship God. I think you EOC boys think you're called to study history.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:41 am Post subject: Re: Hey, algreen - Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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***Your response is lame. You point the finger at us and your own papacy is
filled with missteps.
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), athair ambrois
emrys@globe.net.nz
wrote:
On Jul 29, 11:51 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Al, al, al, don't you see why your problems are caused by lack of a top
to the
pyramid? Your Church is like little countries - ethnic gets in the way
of
religion. You carry the pyramid to the patriarch level only and then
drop it.
What is the EOC fear of the final step, al?
The pyramis structure of the Roman Church has proved a major disaster
for unity! Let's look at history through RC spectacles.....
Oh, wake up, aa. If you have bishops in your Church, you're only one
level
short in the pyramid. You guys don't want those outside your area telling
you
what to do, and
1. The papacy was unable to maintain unity with the Churches of
Egypt and Armenia, Syria etc., in the sixth century. The Vatican has
now admitted that it made a gross mistake with the theology of these
Churches and the only problem was simply one of semantics.
Well, that's certainly one you guys avoid by being ethnic oriented. Maybe
you'd
like us to include the EOC as one of the gross mistakes. That pretty much
sounds like what the problem is.
However the result was that the papacy caused a major schism and
millions of Catholics were thrown out of the Church unjustly by the
Pope.
2. 500 years later, the papacy made significant blunders again, with
the rwst of the Catholic Churches of the East (the one which are now
Orthodox.) Because of, let's be frank, the arrogance of the man at
the top of the pyramid, millions of Catholics were cast out into
schism. The Orthodox Church was born.
3. Another 500 years, and we find that the corruption of the papal
pyramid causes the Protestant Reformation and again, the loss to the
Pope and the Catholic Church of millions of Catholics.
So we see that there have been three major splits in the Catholic
Church - all caused by the Pope and your pyramidal structure.
You lost the Copts and the other Oriental Churches - through papal
ignorance of theology.
You lost the Greeks and the other Eastern Orthodox - through papal
arrogance
You lost the Protestants and many European countries - through papal
corruption.
On the whole, the papacy and the pyramidal structure have been quite a
catastrophe for the unity of your Church. History shows that looking
upon the papacy as a unifying force is a bit of wild imagining.
And what your're saying is that the smaller you keep it, the less trouble
you
have with a region. Your bishop level Chruch is a good example of hiding
from
ethnic problems by keeping the local Church local only.
I'm not impressed with your dissertation on this one. Christ called for
one
universal Church. He put the Holy Father in charge, and nothing will
overcome
your man-type ethnic preferences even to the exclusion of the one
Christian
Church.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Hey, algreen - Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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***I grow tired of bantering with Duke. His lack of knowledge about his own
Church makes for a boring and unproductive and especially unintelligent
dialog. I admire his tenacity and devotion to RCism. But even Roman
Catholics, when confronted with what their own Church teaches, believes and
does needs to acknowledge such and get on with the discussion. Duke's
insistence on ignoring the leavened bread use within Roman Catholicism is
particularly silly...
Al
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| Quote: | ***Your response is lame. You point the finger at us and your own papacy
is filled with missteps.
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Jul 2008 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT), athair ambrois
emrys@globe.net.nz
wrote:
On Jul 29, 11:51 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Al, al, al, don't you see why your problems are caused by lack of a top
to the
pyramid? Your Church is like little countries - ethnic gets in the way
of
religion. You carry the pyramid to the patriarch level only and then
drop it.
What is the EOC fear of the final step, al?
The pyramis structure of the Roman Church has proved a major disaster
for unity! Let's look at history through RC spectacles.....
Oh, wake up, aa. If you have bishops in your Church, you're only one
level
short in the pyramid. You guys don't want those outside your area
telling you
what to do, and
1. The papacy was unable to maintain unity with the Churches of
Egypt and Armenia, Syria etc., in the sixth century. The Vatican has
now admitted that it made a gross mistake with the theology of these
Churches and the only problem was simply one of semantics.
Well, that's certainly one you guys avoid by being ethnic oriented.
Maybe you'd
like us to include the EOC as one of the gross mistakes. That pretty
much
sounds like what the problem is.
However the result was that the papacy caused a major schism and
millions of Catholics were thrown out of the Church unjustly by the
Pope.
2. 500 years later, the papacy made significant blunders again, with
the rwst of the Catholic Churches of the East (the one which are now
Orthodox.) Because of, let's be frank, the arrogance of the man at
the top of the pyramid, millions of Catholics were cast out into
schism. The Orthodox Church was born.
3. Another 500 years, and we find that the corruption of the papal
pyramid causes the Protestant Reformation and again, the loss to the
Pope and the Catholic Church of millions of Catholics.
So we see that there have been three major splits in the Catholic
Church - all caused by the Pope and your pyramidal structure.
You lost the Copts and the other Oriental Churches - through papal
ignorance of theology.
You lost the Greeks and the other Eastern Orthodox - through papal
arrogance
You lost the Protestants and many European countries - through papal
corruption.
On the whole, the papacy and the pyramidal structure have been quite a
catastrophe for the unity of your Church. History shows that looking
upon the papacy as a unifying force is a bit of wild imagining.
And what your're saying is that the smaller you keep it, the less trouble
you
have with a region. Your bishop level Chruch is a good example of hiding
from
ethnic problems by keeping the local Church local only.
I'm not impressed with your dissertation on this one. Christ called for
one
universal Church. He put the Holy Father in charge, and nothing will
overcome
your man-type ethnic preferences even to the exclusion of the one
Christian
Church.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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athair ambrois
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Hey, algreen - Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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On Jul 30, 11:52 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Thirdly, the Vatican can't force anyone to do anything. If we went to war with
the Eastern Latin Churches, we'd have to go to war with the other bad boys, the
Eastern Orhto Churches. And you and I both know we don't need to go that far.
God will tend to the issue at the appropriate time in his appropriate way..
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athair ambrois
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Hey, algreen - Papism as the Oldest Protestantism |
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On Jul 31, 12:15 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | It's your unjustified mad need to
banter that is your problem, not my defense of the RCC.
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The bottom line, Duke, is that our Saints and theologians consider the
Roman Catholic Church to be seriously diseased in much of its theology
and in its hierarchical structure. All of this illness proceeds from
the creation of the papacy, a rottenness which taints the very heart
of Roman Catholicism and which pervades every single aspect of your
Church's life. Until you rid yourself of this aberration of the
papacy you will never be fit to rejoin the Church of Christ.
Well, you did say you were tired of the banter, so I hope you
appreciate the bottom line.... I did not enjoy writing it but now and
again someone has to lay it out in cold hard fact without the
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