H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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[snip]
But jealousy caused Cain to murder Abel.
There he goes again, ignoring THE SPECIFICS OF THE STORY.
There you go again reading too much into the story.
One more time for the clueless: JEALOUSY IS NOT AN END UNTO ITSELF.
WHAT WAS CAIN JEALOUS ABOUT?
PROPER PROCEDURE and AUTHORITY.
No.
Yes.
No.
He was jealous of God's perceived favoritism toward Abel.
WHICH CAME ABOUT BECAUSE ABEL'S SACRIFICE WAS ACCEPTABLE, AND CAIN'S WAS
NOT.
THAT'S PROCEDURE.
GOD TOLD CAIN WHAT TO DO TO REINSTATE HIS POSITION.
CAIN REJECTED THE WARNING.
THAT'S AUTHORITY.
AND THEN CAIN KILLED ABEL BECAUSE HE HELD THE HIGHER POSITION.
THAT WAS THE CAUSE OF THE JEALOUSY--CAIN'S REJECTION OF PROCEDURE AND
AUTHORITY.
The cause was Cain's own selfishness. He wouldn't offer the best he had
to
God.
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WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF PROCEDURE, oh, clueless one.
| Quote: | He didn't want to DO what was right, and he didn't want to be SUBJECT
TO
HE WHO DID RIGHT, be it GOD or HIS BROTHER, ESPECIALLY WHEN DIRECTLY
CONFRONTED ABOUT THE PROBLEM.
And THAT was what he was JEALOUS ABOUT.
[snip]
You're clearly confused.
No, YOU are clearly BOUND AND DETERMINED TO SKIRT THE ISSUES, because
they
PROVE YOU WRONG, just like every other liar who TRIES TO RATIONALIZE
HIS
OR HER SINS.
There are no issues to skirt. The fact remains that nothing in the Cain
and
Abel story is about trying to scare others into believing your way.
And still the buffoon ignores the parameters of the story...
THIS WAS GOD ATTEMPTING TO "SCARE" CAIN INTO CORRECTION...
Gen 4:7b "...and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door."
SO, IN FACT, YOU ARE SKIRTING THE ISSUE, IN REBELLION, JUST LIKE CAIN.
Wrong.
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RIGHT.
| Quote: | God was simply telling Cain the consequences, not trying to scare
him.
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That's the dumbest thing you've said yet...
| Quote: | Just because Cain had an authority and
responsibility for his brother doesn't give you justification to tell
others what to believe.
LOL
2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove,
rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
That still doesn't give you justification to tell others what to
believe.
Oh, my, you are a ridiculous one, aren't you?
Not nearly as ridiculous as you are.
[snip]
GO BACK AND READ THE STORY.
I have. Several times.
Not through godly eyes, you haven't, but THROUGH THE EYES OF ONE TRYING
TO
DENY THE TRUTH.
So in order to have read it through "godly eyes" I have to come to the
exact
same conclusion you did?
IT'S THE TALE OF THE TALE, and the REAL STORY is IN THE DETAILS.
Kook.
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Thanks.
That's what your kind said about Jesus in His day, too.
And He was STILL RIGHT.
| Quote: | WHAT WAS HE "JEALOUS" OVER?
God accepted Abel's sacrifice over his.
...AND...?
That's it.
WRONG!
RIGHT!
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WRONG!
| Quote: | Gen 4:6-7
And the LORD said unto Cain, WHY art thou wroth? and WHY is thy
countenance fallen?
If thou DOEST WELL, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou DOEST NOT
WELL, sin lieth at the door. AND UNTO THEE SHALL BE HIS DESIRE, AND THOU
SHALT RULE OVER HIM.
The LAST STATEMENT tells the OTHER HALF OF THE STORY: CAIN WAS REJECTING
THE AUTHORITY OF MAN AND GOD.
You're still reading too much into it.
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Mt 13:15 ...for this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull
of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should
see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with
their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
| Quote: | [snip]
GO BACK AND READ WHAT GOD SAID TO CAIN (which is underscored by
Cain's
ironic question, "Am I my brother's keeper?"
You're reading too much into it.
No, YOU AREN'T READING WHAT'S THERE, because THE MINUTE YOU DO, YOU'LL
BE REVEALED TO BE A LIAR.
I read what's there.
No, you SKIPPED WHAT WAS THERE lest you have to confess YOU WERE WRONG
FROM THE VERY BEGINNING.
Wrong.
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Right.
| Quote: | I just didn't come to the same conclusion you did.
BECAUSE YOU ARE BOUND AND DETERMINED TO AVOID THE CONCLUSION ITSELF.
No, because I am not a kook like you are.
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Oh, so this is the substance of your apologetics? You can't win the argument
by legitimate means, so you revert to the ad hominem attack?
| Quote: | NOW, WHAT DID GOD SAY?
Ge 4:6-7
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy
countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and
if
thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his
desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
"Him" was talking about sin, not Abel.
No, "HIM" was ABEL.
No, "him" was sin. Read other translations, not just KJV.
ABEL was in a position of authority over Cain BECAUSE ABEL DID WHAT WAS
RIGHT, and could have REVERSED HIS COURSE by DOING WHAT WAS RIGHT.
But instead of CHANGING COURSE, Cain MADE UP HIS OWN, KILLING GOD'S
ANOINTED, AS JESUS SAID THE ENEMIES OF GOD WOULD BE CALLED INTO ACCOUNT
FOR DOING...
Mt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the
earth, from the BLOOD OF RIGHTEOUS ABEL unto the blood of Zacharias son
of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Cain was trying to avoid answering God's
question.
NO, CAIN CREATED THE QUESTION, for SINNERS OF ALL TIME.
Again, you're reading way too much into it.
NO, YOU ARE SELECTIVELY IGNORING WHAT IS THERE, LEST YOUR FALSE
PROPOSITION FALL.
Nope.
That still doesn't mean you have to try to scare gullible and
ignorant people into believing something.
The ROD or THE STAFF, it doesn't matter: THE WORD WILL ACCOMPLISH WHAT
IT WILL ACCOMPLISH, to some life to life, and to some death to death.
That still doesn't mean you have to try to scare gullible and ignorant
people into believing something.
Alas, there always have to be the ignorant ones, doesn't there?
Unfortunately, yes. Those are the people who believe like you do.
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Truly Paul said of your kind..."For the time will come when they will not
endure sound doctrine..." [2Ti 4:3a]
The revisionist "rewrite" of scripture is just another brick in the growing
apostasy.
| Quote: | Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools
despise wisdom and instruction.
Pr 9:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the
knowledge
of the holy is understanding.
Pr 15:33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before
honour is humility.
[snip]
CRAIG REJECTS THE AUTHORITY OF GOD AND MAN, JUST LIKE CAIN DID.
Craig is a Christian,
Craig is about as far from being a Christian as Satan is.
Liar.
There's no lie to it.
Yes there is.
Craig (and you) follow the ANTICHRISTIAN thesis, NOT the CHRISTIAN
thesis.
Wrong.
The ANTICHRISTIAN THESIS...
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the
truth is not in us.
The CHRISTIAN THESIS...
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our
sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
HE DECLARES (as you do in support his own self-deceptions) THAT HIS SINS
ARE NOT SINS, DECEIVING HIMSELF, AND REVEALING THAT THE TRUTH IS NOT IN
HIM.
Meanwhile, the CHRISTIAN thesis is WE CONFESS OUR SINS, relying on God's
good graces to FORGIVE and CLEANSE us from our sins.
YOU PEOPLE SHORT-CIRCUIT YOUR OWN SALVATION BY RATIONALIZING YOUR SINS
INSTEAD OF CONFESSING THEM.
Liar.
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I'M NOT THE ONE RATIONALIZING HIS SINS. YOU ARE. AND IN THE PROCESS, YOU
ADOPT THE ANTICHRISTIAN ANTITHESIS, NOT THE CHRISTIAN THESIS.
| Quote: | so he does not reject the authority of God.
Sure he does--EVERY TIME HE RATIONALIZES HIS SINS instead of CONFESSING
THEM.
His sins are between him and God and are none of your business.
ANOTHER LIE OF SATAN...
No, it's quite true.
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NO, IT'S QUITE FALSE, AND PRECISELY WHAT SATAN WANTS PEOPLE TO DO--ADAPT THE
"I'M OK, YOU'RE OK" ATTITUDE WHEN NO ONE IS "OK."
| Quote: | Jas 5:16a Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another,
that ye may be healed.
To my
knowledge he has not been in jail, so he does not reject the authority
of
man.
Craig rejects BOTH THE AUTHORITY OF GOD AND MAN--THAT'S why he is
always
HARPING ON THE CATHOLIC CHURCH (which itself is only ONE of the SEVEN
"authorities" of man).
Liar.
Oh, so this is the summation of your apologetics? I quote the Word, and
the only response you have left is to call me a liar?
No, I call you a liar because you are one.
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PROVE IT, FRAUD.
| Quote: | Well, that pretty much sums up the situation all around.
The only responsibility we have is to care for others.
NO, SHIT, SHERLOCK.
BUT "caring" INCLUDES OBEDIENCE TO LAW AND ORDER.
Obedience to the laws of man.
NO. OBEDIENCE TO THE LAWS OF GOD, pilgrim, EVEN IF THAT RUNS COUNTER
THE
LAWS OF MAN ("we should obey God, and NOT man").
But we should render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.
One has no choice but to "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's:" It's
called "the IRS."
But that is not germane to the point.
Of course it is.
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OF COURSE IT'S NOT--THERE IS A HIGHER AUTHORITY, AND THAT HIGHER AUTHORITY
OVERRIDES THE GROWING CORRUPTIONS OF MANKIND.
| Quote: | "Rendering" doesn't only have to do with taxes.
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True, BUT IT'S STILL IRRELEVANT TO THE POINT. GOD WON'T BE JUDGING BASED ON
MAN'S CORRUPT LAWS, BUT ON HIS PERFECT ONES.
| Quote: | But trying to scare gullible and ignorant
people into a belief system is not "caring" for people.
It is WHEN THE FEAR IS REAL.
No, fear only instills a false sense of religion and takes you far away
from
God.
That's ANOTHER lie of Satan...
No, it's quite true.
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No, it's just ANOTHER LIE OF SATAN, TAKING AWAY THE FEAR OF GOD, AND
INSTILLING THE FEAR OF SATAN, REVERSING THE POLARITY BETWEEN THESIS AND
ANTITHESIS.
| Quote: | Mr 9:41-43
For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name,
because
ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in
me,
it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he
were cast into the sea.
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to
enter
into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire
that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is
not quenched.
And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to
enter
halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire
that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is
not quenched.
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to
enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be
cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not
quenched.
Jesus USED BOTH THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE, PRO-ACTIVE AND REACTIVE
APPROACHES TO THE PROBLEM.
But he never used fear to get people to believe.
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IDIOT: THE NEGATIVE IS BASED ON THE FEAR OF THE LORD.
| Quote: | But, alas, Satan is ALWAYS trying to take away one or the other from
God--THE ROD or THE STAFF.
[snip]
Whether it's the ROD OR STAFF, the END RESULT IS THE SAME.
Sounds like you have some very disturbing S&M fantasies.
Typical perversions of the perverse.
"Thy ROD and STAFF, they COMFORT ME."
Rod = LAW.
Staff = COMPASSION.
And the OWNER determines JUDGMENT.
But you'd rather go around passing judgment on others and trying to
scare
them into believing what you believe instead of allowing them to come to
God in their own way.
I've used BOTH the rod AND the staff to try and teach you what you
ignorantly don't know (or, rather, refuse to accept, lest you have to
repent).
In your case, BOTH AVENUES FAIL.
But that's your problem, not mine...
My job is the telling.
YOUR job is the RESPONDING.
You're just mad that I'm not intimidated in the least by your scare
tactics.
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No, I'm mad because your just another lying fraud trying to rewrite
thousands of years of biblical truth to JUSTIFY YOUR OWN WICKEDNESS.
| Quote: | [snip]
So why would the death penalty be a punishment for murder if they're
not
equal, then? In both murder and the death penalty, someone winds up
dead.
MURDER IS THE CRIME.
EXECUTION IS THE COUNTER-BALANCING RESOLUTION TO THE CRIME.
So then why did you say, "MURDER does NOT EQUAL THE DEATH PENALTY"?
BECAUSE ONE IS UNRIGHTEOUS, AND THE OTHER IS NOT.
Still sounds like the old "eye for an eye" philosophy, though.
[snip]
Jesus did NOT take "a stance against that." He was taking a stance
AGAINST
HYPOCRISY, not THE LAW.
(Once again, you don't pay attention to the DETAILS of the story.)
What hypocrisy? He was taking a stand against paying someone back
equal for a crime they committed.
NO, HE WAS ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM OF HYPOCRISY, NOT THE LAW.
What hypocrisy?
THE HYPOCRISY OF THOSE WHO WERE IN CHARGE OF THE LAW COMMITTING THE VERY
CRIMES THEY WERE EXECUTING PEOPLE FOR...
But Jesus interpreted the law differently from how the religious leaders
of
the time did.
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No, He didn't. He addressed the issue of APPLICATION, NOT THE LAW ITSELF.
"...And NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE."
| Quote: | Jesus NEVER took issues WITH THE LAW--JUST THE APPLICATION OF THEM BY
THOSE WHO WERE THEMSELVES BREAKING THEM.
How many times did Jesus say, "You have heard it said this, but I say
that."
Which IN NO WAY REFUTES THE LAW, WHICH JESUS UPHELD: "heaven and earth
may
pass away, BUT NOT ONE IOTA OR TITLE SHALL IN ANY WAY PASS FROM THE LAW."
Yes, he interpreted the law differently from those who were trying to tell
other people what to believe.
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HE WAS PRACTICING THE ULTIMATE "TELL OTHERS WHAT TO BELIEVE," nutcase.
| Quote: | [snip]
IT WASN'T TELLING OTHER PEOPLE THAT WAS THE ISSUE, oh, clueless
one--IT WAS WHAT THEY WERE TELLING THEM.
Yes, they were telling them what to believe.
One more time for the clueless: IT WASN'T THE "TELLING" THAT WAS THE
PROBLEM. JESUS "TOLD THEM" TOO. IT WAS "WHAT" THEY WERE TELLING THEM
THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.
Yes, they acted all pious and righteous and told others what to believe.
Kind of like right-wing Christians of today.
One more time for the dull and slow-witted.
JESUS DID NOT TAKE ISSUE WITH THE LAW--HE UPHELD IT.
And interpreted it differently from those who were telling others what to
believe.
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HE TOLD THEM WHAT TO BELIEVE, TOO, dumbass. It's just that HE TOLD THEM THE
RIGHT THING TO BELIEVE, AND THEY TOLD PEOPLE THE WRONG THING TO BELIEVE.
| Quote: | HE TOOK ISSUE WITH THE APPLICATION OF THE LAW BY THE PERVERSE, to whit...
Mt 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay
tithe
of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of
the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, AND NOT
TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE.
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ONE NOTICES YOUR LACK OF RESPONSE.
JESUS TOLD THEM NOT TO "LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE," BUT TO FIX THE FIRST PART,
i.e. THE APPLICATION OF THE LAW, NOT THE LAW ITSELF.
| Quote: | [snip]
Sic sequitur. The religious ruling class tells people what to
believe.
NON SEQUITUR: IT'S NOT WHETHER OR NOT ONE WILL BE TOLD. IT'S WHO IS
DOING THE TELLING, AND WHAT THEY'RE TELLING.
And they were telling people what to believe.
NO, THEY WERE TELLING PEOPLE THE WRONG THING.
No, they were interpreting the law too literally. Just like
fundamentalist
Christians do today.
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WRONG.
THEY WERE INTERPRETING THE LAW JUST FINE, i.e. "AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER
UNDONE."
IT WAS THEIR UNEQUAL APPLICATION OF THE LAW, WITHOUT GRACE AND JUSTICE, THAT
WAS THEIR PROBLEM--NOT THE LAW ITSELF.
But Jesus prophesied TRULY of YOU FRAUDS, saying...
Mt 5:17-20
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not
come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and
earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till
all be fulfilled.
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and
shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:
but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the
kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall
exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case
enter into the kingdom of heaven.
| Quote: | IT'S NOT THE TELLING THAT'S THE PROBLEM. IN FACT, IT'S COMMANDED. IT'S
***WHAT*** IS TOLD THAT MAKES THE DIFFERENCE.
FIRST, you have to prove A CONNECTION between THE PHARISEES,
SADDUCEES, AND HERODIANS, and certain Christian leaders.
See, Paul spoke well of people like you, saying that you would SPEAK
EVIL of DIGNITARIES, and that WITHOUT MAKING A CASE, but just PASSING
SUMMARY JUDGMENT.
What evil have I spoken against the Pharisees?
NOT THE PHARISEES, dimwit: THE CHURCHES.
What evil have I spoken against the churches, then?
And I quote...
"Yes, they acted all pious and righteous and told others what to
believe. Kind of like right-wing Christians of today."
So where in that quote do I mention churches?
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OH, SO NOW THE "RIGHT WING CHRISTIANS" ARE NOT IN CHURCHES?
You speak the same lies AS CRAIG.
JESUS LAID OUT THE CHURCHES IN A MIX.
YOU SATANIC ACCUSERS APPLY YOUR OWN ALL-OR-NOTHING STANDARDS, AND THAT
SIMPLY TO JUSTIFY YOUR WICKEDNESS.
| Quote: | BY WHOSE AUTHORITY DO YOU JUDGE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCHES?
What authority, in your opinion, should churches have?
Nice try, but you don't get to divert from the question with your own
question.
I ASKED, BY WHOSE AUTHORITY DO YOU JUDGE THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCHES?
Again, what authority, in your opinion, should churches have? Answer that
question and I'll answer yours.
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WRONG.
I'M NOT THE ONE LAYING THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS--YOU ARE.
NOW, BY WHOSE AUTHORITY DO YOU JUDGE THE CHURCHES?
| Quote: | I just stated the fact that
they were part of the religious ruling class that tells people what to
believe.
...IN A BLANKET ATTEMPT TO DISCREDIT THOSE TO WHOM GOD HAS GIVEN
AUTHORITY.
Who has God given authority to and how do you know?
Mt 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
When did God say that to you?
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THE MOMENT I "SAW" IT, AND "HEARD" IT, AND "KEPT" IT.
| Quote: | WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?
I might ask the same question of you.
I know who I am: I am who I am.
Non-answer.
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Nope. It's the PERFECT answer.
| Quote: | The question is, WHO THE HELL ARE YOU?
Someone who is not intimidated in the least by your scare tactics.
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The epitome of stupidity is failing to fear where angels fear to tread.
| Quote: | [snip]
WHAT?!?
Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath
everlasting life.
That would be a YES, oh, clueless one.
Where in that verse does he say to tell others what to believe?
HOW ARE THEY SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE?
OSMOSIS?
They can hear the word and come to their own conclusions. Not be beaten
over the head with a Bible or frightened into submission.
There goes Satan again, trying to relieve God of His ROD...
Only in your imagination.
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Nope. IN FACT. EVERY TIME YOU TELL PEOPLE THE SATANIC LIE THAT THEY DON'T
HAVE TO FEAR GOD.
| Quote: | ...and Paul and the prophets ADDRESSED your idiotic notion...
Ro 10:13-15
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how
shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall
they hear without a preacher? And how shall they preach, except they be
sent?
As it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach
the
gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
One notices your lack of RESPONSE to the INSTRUCTIONS GIVEN.
Once again, people should hear the word and decide for themselves, not be
beaten over the head with a Bible or frightened into submission.
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THAT'S "YOU SAY," SATAN.
THAT'S NOT "GOD SAYS."
GOD SAID OTHERWISE.
| Quote: | HE IS THE "GOOD NEWS," dolt.
No.
YES.
NO.
The Good News is that God loves everybody and that Jesus destroyed
sin.
Another satanic lie: At no time did Jesus ever say HE DESTROYED SIN.
He destroys DEATH in those whom HE DOES NOT DESTROY.
Jesus destroys none and saves all according to 1 Cor 15:22-26
The passage does NOT say that "Jesus destroys none."
By saving all, he destroys none.
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AT NO TIME DID JESUS SAY HE WOULD "SAVE ALL."
IN FACT, HE DECLARED THE EXACT OPPOSITE (just like Daniel): SOME WILL RISE
TO EVERLASTING LIFE, AND SOME TO EVERLASTING SHAME AND CONTEMPT, i.e. HELL.
| Quote: | Jesus HIMSELF said HE SHALL DESTROY MANY.
All WILL be raised, that much is true, BUT PART TO EVERLASTING LIFE, AND
PART TO EVERLASTING SHAME AND CONTEMPT, i.e. the SECOND DEATH, i.e. HELL.
No accurate translation says anything about "everlasting."
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ANOTHER LIE OF SATAN, easily proven by the fact THAT THERE IS A HOST OF
PASSAGES THAT SAY IT...
Da 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me,
ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the
righteous into life eternal.
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that
believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on
him.
AND THAT'S JUST A SAMPLING, OH, CLUELESS ONE.
THE ENTIRE BOOK DECLARES THE DICHOTOMY.
| Quote: | WITH THE CONSEQUENCE BEING DEATH, oh, clueless one.
Nope, he never said that.
THE HELL HE DIDN'T...
Mt 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the
righteous into life eternal.
"Everlasting punishment" is not an accurate translation.
Oh, here comes the revisionist lies...
No, just a more accurate translation.
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LIAR.
THE EXACT SAME GREEK TERM APPEARS BEFORE "PUNISHMENT" AND "LIFE."
kai apeleusontai outoi ein kolasin aionion oi de dikaioi eiv zoen aionion.
AIONION means ALL TIMES PAST TO ALL TIMES FUTURE, i.e. ETERNAL.
THE SAME TERM APPEARS TWICE IN THE TEXT.
kolasin aionion MEANS "PUNISHMENT ETERNAL."
zoen ainonion MEANS "LIFE ETERNAL."
THERE'S NO MISTRANSLATION TO IT, fraud.
| Quote: | http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/EternalPunishmentNotTrueToGreek.html
Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he
that
believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth
on him.
No mention of death here.
How 'bout here, oh, clueless one...
Da 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
SOME TO EVERLASTING LIFE, and SOME TO EVERLASTING SHAME AND CONTEMPT.
Again, "everlasting" is a mistranslation.
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Well, to an extent, you're right.
IT'S "ETERNAL," NOT "EVERLASTING."
EVERLASTING MEANS FROM A POINT FORWARD.
ETERNAL MEANS ALL TIMES PAST, PRESENT, AND FUTURE.
BUT IT'S STILL THE EXACT SAME TERM IN THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE STATEMENT.
"ETERNAL LIFE."
"ETERNAL SAME AND CONTEMPT."
YOUR GARBAGE COMES FROM THE LYING FRAUDS TRYING TO RATIONALIZE THEIR WAY OUT
OF HELL INSTEAD OF CONFESSING THEIR WAY OUT.
| Quote: | Gee, seems vaguely familiar...
Jn 5:28-29
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in
the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have
done
good, UNTO THE RESURRECTION OF LIFE; and they that have done evil, UNTO
THE RESURRECTION OF DAMNATION.
That seems to contradict the Christian dogma that says you have to believe
in Jesus to be saved.
|
BELIEVING JESUS IS THE "DOING GOOD," MORON.
DENYING HIM IS THE "DOING EVIL."
| Quote: | Mr 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that
believeth not shall be damned.
Nor here.
What do you think "DAMNED" MEANS, moron?
Certainly not punished for eternity like you apparently think it means.
|
NOT "WHAT I THINK IT MEANS."
WHAT IT SAYS IT MEANS, fraud.
| Quote: | Let me guess: Now you're not only going to rationalize away your sins,
but
the CONSEQUENCES OF THEM AS WELL.
There are consequences, just not the ones you imagine.
Oh, now there you're right--no one can even begin to imagine the depths
of
hell...
No, not those.
But of course: One goes with the other, doesn't it.
[snip]
RIGHT.
Wrong.
RIGHT.
WRONG.
RIGHT!
WRONG!
|
RIGHT: JESUS AND THE PROPHETS ALWAYS SPOKE OF THE DICHOTOMY, ETERNAL LIFE
VERSUS ETERNAL DEATH.
NOW, YOU LATTER DAY FRAUDS DIGGING YOUR WAY INTO HELL MAY TRY TO CHANGE
THINGS TO SUBSTANTIATE YOUR FALSE PREMISE THAT THERE IS NO HELL, BUT IT
WON'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THERE IS ONE, AND YOU'RE WORKING YOUR WAY INTO
IT.
| Quote: | THE PROBLEMS HAVE ALWAYS BROKEN DOWN ALONG THREE LINES THROUGHOUT
HISTORY,
AS TYPIFIED BY THE PHARISEES, SADDUCEES, AND HERODIANS, AND NO MATTER
WHERE YOU GO, THERE THEY ARE.
NO RIGHTEOUSNESS IN ONE THIRD.
NO COMPASSION IN ONE THIRD.
NO JUDGMENT IN ONE THIRD.
And these three form the "antitrinity."
The PROBLEM breaks down along THREE LINES--FALSE COMPASSION, FALSE
RIGHTEOUSNESS, AND FALSE JUDGMENT.
And you have demonstrated all three.
No, I'VE told you the truth, which you don't want to hear, just like
God
told Cain, who didn't want to hear, either.
I already have the truth. What you've been saying is just heretical
nonsense.
???
I'm not the one changing the doctrines of the fathers...YOU ARE.
No, I'm just interpreting them differently from you.
|
NO, YOU'RE CHANGING THEM, EVEN LYING ABOUT WHAT THE TEXTS SAY TO
SUBSTANTIATE YOUR LIES.
| Quote: | [snip]
Thus saith the fools...
Typical response from one who lacks a logical argument.
I've made every "logical argument," from the source of all true logic.
False.
True.
False.
|
TRUE.
| Quote: | I keep referring to the Word, and you keep saying "YOU SAY."
Your interpretation of the Word is heretical nonsense.
|
Bullshit.
In these matters, IT'S WHAT THE CHURCH FATHERS HAVE TAUGHT FOR TWO THOUSAND
YEARS, STARTING FROM JESUS AND PASSING ON DOWN.
***YOU*** ARE THE HERETIC.
| Quote: | [snip]
RIGHT AGAIN.
No, wrong.
NO, RIGHT AGAIN: THE ANSWER OF CAIN TO GOD IS THE SAME ANSWER YOU'RE
GIVING HIM.
Wrong again.
Right again.
Wrong again.
|
RIGHT AGAIN.
| Quote: | "AM I MY BROTHER'S KEEPER?" = IT'S NOT MY BUSINESS (WHEN, in fact, IT
WAS).
Completely different.
SO YOU WISH.
So I know.
No, SO YOU WISH.
No, SO I KNOW.
|
NO, SO YOU WISH, AND YOU'LL TELL ANY LIE NECESSARY TO KEEP YOUR "WISH."
TOO BAD GOD WON'T...
| Quote: | Lying about murder is not the same as not telling
them what to believe.
CAIN KILLED ABEL BECAUSE GOD TOLD HIM WHAT TO DO ***AND*** WHAT TO
BELIEVE.
And Cain KILLED ABEL ANYWAY.
Cain was jealous
OVER AUTHORITY AND PROCEDURE, oh, clueless one.
No, over the fact that Abel's offering was accepted and his was not.
|
and still the buffoon doesn't pay ANY ATTENTION to the details...
| Quote: | and likely thought that if he got rid of his brother that
his offerings wouldn't be rejected.
NONSENSE.
Perfect sense.
|
NONSENSE.
| Quote: | GOD ALREADY TOLD HIM HIS OFFERINGS WOULDN'T BE ACCEPTED IN THE MANNER AND
TYPE THAT HE OFFERED THEM.
(NOW you're making up YOUR OWN STORY instead of READING THE ONE THAT'S
THERE.)
[snip]
In fact, you're just another bullshit artist like Craig.
The only bullshit I've seen so far has been coming from your end. Not
from me or Craig.
Nope.
Yup.
Nope.
Yup.
The bullshit is all yours: You're another self-deceived liar trying to
rationalize his sins instead of confessing them, just like Craig.
You're rationalizing your own actions as well. Everybody does. You
just
think that you're right and that anyone who doesn't believe the same way
you do is going to hell.
No, I'M RECOUNTING WHAT JESUS AND THE PROPHETS SAID, while you try to
REVISE what they said TO MAKE THEM SAY WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO SAY.
No, you're trying to make what Jesus said to fit with your own beliefs.
|
NO, I'M GOING BY WHAT JESUS TAUGHT, IN THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGES, AND MORE.
AND JESUS, DANIEL, PAUL, ET AL. ALL TAUGHT THE ETERNAL HEAVEN/ETERNAL HELL
DICHOTOMY.
| Quote: | ...and the irony is you short-circuit your own salvation in the
process.
I have no need for your brand of "salvation."
It's the only one there is, bub.
False.
|
TRUE.
And you'll be finding out how true in due course of time...
Ike |
|
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯
Guest
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: Re: First "contradiction" explained, showing how it's not a |
|
|
On 21 Aug 2008 02:36:30 GMT,
Ray Fischer -- CRIMINAL-coddler and Liar <fischer@sonic.net> wrote:
| Quote: | (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
|
[[[ READERS: I probably *should* have simply ignored
this utterly MORONIC post by Ray, and deleted it from
my newsreader. But THEN I realized -- What FUN I
would be missing by doing that. Since Ray's idiocies
in here are SO profound, it'll be productive for me to
PROVE it (again!) to everyone.
When you see any of my text that's enclosed in double
brackets, that is RESTORED text which Ray has
dishonestly omitted. Something he does habitually,
so as to try to twist his opponents meanings. He's
so dense, he still hasn't figured out that I *never*
let him get away with that. You'll see that he did
a LOT of this in THIS... er... "response." ]]]
| Quote: | Which are you? The priest or the Levite?
A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into
the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him
and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be
going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by
on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and
saw him, passed by on the other side.
Luke 10:30-32
I would be analogous to the Samaritan... whom you dishonestly
OMITTED when you cited only PART of that parable. In 21st
century terms, an egalitarian who defends personal liberties against
bigotry and stupidity.
The Samaritan, who took the person in and helped him, is like you
who wants to drive people out and make them suffer?
NO driving them out, and NO forcing them to suffer. [[ They SNEAKED
into the country in violation of federal laws, so it's time for them to
return HOME again. On their own hook. As easy as that. No deporta-
tions necessary. And recently, the government gave them a free pass
to do that voluntarily, without penalty. ]]
|
Interestingly, those criminals are SO dishonest that as of yesterday,
according to CNN, only SIX of them (out of up to 20 million!) had done
that.
<lie-snip>
Oh? You mean the way YOU do when you dishonestly OMIT
**relevant** text, as you did above... without even making so
much as a <snip> notation? You'd be FUNNY, Ray, if you just
weren't do damned pathetically ignorant.
Not only was the comment of yours IRrelevant, but it also
was an outright LIE, so I did you a favor by snipping it. And,
you'll notice that *I* -- unlike you -- USED a <snip> notation.
| Quote: | Again and again you say that you want to force "illegal"
immigrants to leave. Now you claim otherwise.
First of all:
First of all, you are a lying, two-faced, hypocritiical, bigot.
|
[[[ READERS: I left that in so you can easily see for
yourself how monumental a liar he is. ]]]
| Quote: | (1) They are ILLEGAL aliens. No quotation marks. [[ They
are very *literally* ILLEGAL-alien criminals, who SNEAKED
into the country in violation of federal law. ]]
You're claim is proven to be a lie.
|
Wrong again! HERE are the Federal Laws that those SNEAKS
violate several of, depending upon how they do it. So you LIED
again because I have presented these to many times before -- and
as recently as just a day or two ago:
http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title8/chapter12_subchapterii_partviii_.html
| Quote: | (2) They are NOT "immigrants." [[ IMMIGRANTS are the
HONEST people who came into the USA *legally.*
Your calling scumbag ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is an
insult to tens of millions of millions of HONEST people. ]]
YTOu fascists NEED to redefine words to justify your agenda of hate.
|
Was that a typo, or evidence that you were frothing at the mouth
as you wrote that moronic lie?
There was NO redefinition. The difference between IMMIGRANTS
and ILLEGAL-ALIEN criminals is clear as crystal to ALL people having a
modicum of intelligence. And defending the millions of legal immigrants
who EARNED their status by obeying the law and following the rules,
by CODDLING criminals the way YOU do is precisely the OPPOSITE
of an agenda of hate. YOU are the hateful one, because you don't
give a rat's ass for LEGAL *immigrants*.
| Quote: | Then:
(3) I have never claimed to want to "force" the illegals
out. To the contrary, I advocate NO prosecution of
them, or deportations solely for their having SNEAKED
in. My proposed law would impose mandatory heavy
fines and imprisonment on the morons who flout the
law by *hiring* and/or *retaining* ILLEGAL aliens.
Thus forcing them to leave the country.
|
That all depends on how creative they are. They were, after
all, creative enough to SNEAK *in* to the country. And did you know
that just this evening, OBAMA just came out and specified in no
uncertain terms that the laws against EMPLOYING *illegal* aliens
should be strictly enforced. SO MUCH for you thinking that seeking
that is a Republican idea. Obama is the DEMOCRATIC presumptive
nominee for President. That blows YOUR stupidity clear out of the
water.
| Quote: | [[ Any ILLEGAL alien who finds he can keep living here
without eating or paying rent could feel free to stay,
with NO threat of prosecution. (It might even work
out for a handful who have American sugar daddies.) ]]
Dumbshit.
|
You most certainly are. And you are so GOOD at *proving* it!
Constantly.
| Quote: | (4) There is NO EXCUSE for being an ILLEGAL alien.
Yes, you racist bigot, there is.
|
Really? Isn't it INTERESTING, then, that you have NEVER
been able to back that up? (And I remind you that since you TRASH
the hard work of the LEGAL immigrants, that makes YOU the bigot.)
| Quote: | They SNEAKED into the country in violation of federal laws, ...
So you're like the pharisees with their worship of rules and laws.
No.
LIAR!
|
99.9999% on the Irony Meter. Particularly since I, unlike
you, make a point of NEVER lying in my posts.
| Quote: | Jesus was no Pharisee, [[ and he recognized the value of
laws, as embodied in the Ten Commandments. The laws against
ILLEGAL immigration are very SENSIBLE laws. ]]
YOU'RE NOT JESUS, YOU STINKING HYPOCRITE!
|
I don't recall making any such claim. And as a Christian,
I *do* put full stock in everything in the Bible that HE said.
| Quote: | [[ ...so it's time for them to return HOME again. On their
own hook.
So you DO want to force them to leave.
Nope. Any of them that can get along without money can
feel free to stay. ]]
|
[[[ Since Ray was OFF-topic for this thread -- something he
makes a HABIT of -- I'll also post this in a thread of its
own that is ON this Illegal Alien topic. ]]]
As a reminder to the Readers, I'm providing the SIG below that
you have never been able to disprove or refute ANY part of. ---
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FACTS about ILLEGAL Aliens
(1) ILLEGAL aliens did not belong here in the FIRST place.
(2) Federal laws prohibit undocumented entry into the USA.
(3) Federal laws STRICTLY prohibit WORKING in the USA without
proper and legal documentation (such as a Green Card.)
(4) Every ILLEGAL alien is a CRIMINAL by default, for entering
illegally, and even MORE of one if WORKING here.
(5) Throughout our history, tens of millions of people have
worked HARD to EARN residency and citizenship here.
(a) CRIMINALS should NEVER be *rewarded* for being
criminals.
(b) According LEGAL status to ILLEGAL, criminal aliens
without their INSTEAD applying for it through proper
channels and EARNING it would be a massive **insult**
to the millions who did it the RIGHT and LEGAL way.
(6) Urge your Congressperson to SUPPORT H.R. 1940.
More information:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
If the URL doesn't work, combine its components,
below, in your browser:
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
And here's a real EYE-OPENER!! --
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
|
(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯
Guest
|
| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:53 am Post subject: Re: First "contradiction" explained, showing how it's not a |
|
|
On 21 Aug 2008 03:51:39 GMT,
rfischer@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:
... NOTHING sensible or truthful. Except for this ONE
point:
| Quote: | AGAIN you ignore the fact that the large number of "illegal"
immigrants who overstay visas are not criminals under any law.
|
Wrong. In another post, I pointed out to you that this
IS breaking a law (or laws), but those do not carry criminal
penalties as do the ones I cited that govern SNEAKING
into the country.
For the most part, all that can happen to them is deporta-
tion. BUT -- for returning ILLEGALLY while still forbidden to
do so -- THAT is a FELONY. And more than 30% of deported
ILLEGAL aliens, per CNN, *do* just that. MAKING instant
felons of themselves.
Previous post, to which NO other sensible responses were
made, follows:
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
On 21 Aug 2008 02:36:30 GMT,
Ray Fischer -- CRIMINAL-coddler and Liar <fischer@sonic.net> wrote:
| Quote: | (¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Ray Fischer <rfischer@sonic.net> wrote:
|
[[[ READERS: I probably *should* have simply ignored
this utterly MORONIC post by Ray, and deleted it from
my newsreader. But THEN I realized -- What FUN I
would be missing by doing that. Since Ray's idiocies
in here are SO profound, it'll be productive for me to
PROVE it (again!) to everyone.
When you see any of my text that's enclosed in double
brackets, that is RESTORED text which Ray has
dishonestly omitted. Something he does habitually,
so as to try to twist his opponents meanings. He's
so dense, he still hasn't figured out that I *never*
let him get away with that. You'll see that he did
a LOT of this in THIS... er... "response." ]]]
| Quote: | Which are you? The priest or the Levite?
A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into
the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him
and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be
going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by
on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and
saw him, passed by on the other side.
Luke 10:30-32
I would be analogous to the Samaritan... whom you dishonestly
OMITTED when you cited only PART of that parable. In 21st
century terms, an egalitarian who defends personal liberties against
bigotry and stupidity.
The Samaritan, who took the person in and helped him, is like you
who wants to drive people out and make them suffer?
NO driving them out, and NO forcing them to suffer. [[ They SNEAKED
into the country in violation of federal laws, so it's time for them to
return HOME again. On their own hook. As easy as that. No deporta-
tions necessary. And recently, the government gave them a free pass
to do that voluntarily, without penalty. ]]
|
Interestingly, those criminals are SO dishonest that as of yesterday,
according to CNN, only SIX of them (out of up to 20 million!) had done
that.
<lie-snip>
Oh? You mean the way YOU do when you dishonestly OMIT
**relevant** text, as you did above... without even making so
much as a <snip> notation? You'd be FUNNY, Ray, if you just
weren't do damned pathetically ignorant.
Not only was the comment of yours IRrelevant, but it also
was an outright LIE, so I did you a favor by snipping it. And,
you'll notice that *I* -- unlike you -- USED a <snip> notation.
| Quote: | Again and again you say that you want to force "illegal"
immigrants to leave. Now you claim otherwise.
First of all:
First of all, you are a lying, two-faced, hypocritiical, bigot.
|
[[[ READERS: I left that in so you can easily see for
yourself how monumental a liar he is. ]]]
| Quote: | (1) They are ILLEGAL aliens. No quotation marks. [[ They
are very *literally* ILLEGAL-alien criminals, who SNEAKED
into the country in violation of federal law. ]]
You're claim is proven to be a lie.
|
Wrong again! HERE are the Federal Laws that those SNEAKS
violate several of, depending upon how they do it. So you LIED
again because I have presented these to many times before -- and
as recently as just a day or two ago:
http://www.access.gpo.gov/uscode/title8/chapter12_subchapterii_partviii_.html
| Quote: | (2) They are NOT "immigrants." [[ IMMIGRANTS are the
HONEST people who came into the USA *legally.*
Your calling scumbag ILLEGAL aliens "immigrants" is an
insult to tens of millions of millions of HONEST people. ]]
YTOu fascists NEED to redefine words to justify your agenda of hate.
|
Was that a typo, or evidence that you were frothing at the mouth
as you wrote that moronic lie?
There was NO redefinition. The difference between IMMIGRANTS
and ILLEGAL-ALIEN criminals is clear as crystal to ALL people having a
modicum of intelligence. And defending the millions of legal immigrants
who EARNED their status by obeying the law and following the rules,
by CODDLING criminals the way YOU do is precisely the OPPOSITE
of an agenda of hate. YOU are the hateful one, because you don't
give a rat's ass for LEGAL *immigrants*.
| Quote: | Then:
(3) I have never claimed to want to "force" the illegals
out. To the contrary, I advocate NO prosecution of
them, or deportations solely for their having SNEAKED
in. My proposed law would impose mandatory heavy
fines and imprisonment on the morons who flout the
law by *hiring* and/or *retaining* ILLEGAL aliens.
Thus forcing them to leave the country.
|
That all depends on how creative they are. They were, after
all, creative enough to SNEAK *in* to the country. And did you know
that just this evening, OBAMA just came out and specified in no
uncertain terms that the laws against EMPLOYING *illegal* aliens
should be strictly enforced. SO MUCH for you thinking that seeking
that is a Republican idea. Obama is the DEMOCRATIC presumptive
nominee for President. That blows YOUR stupidity clear out of the
water.
| Quote: | [[ Any ILLEGAL alien who finds he can keep living here
without eating or paying rent could feel free to stay,
with NO threat of prosecution. (It might even work
out for a handful who have American sugar daddies.) ]]
Dumbshit.
|
You most certainly are. And you are so GOOD at *proving* it!
Constantly.
| Quote: | (4) There is NO EXCUSE for being an ILLEGAL alien.
Yes, you racist bigot, there is.
|
Really? Isn't it INTERESTING, then, that you have NEVER
been able to back that up? (And I remind you that since you TRASH
the hard work of the LEGAL immigrants, that makes YOU the bigot.)
| Quote: | They SNEAKED into the country in violation of federal laws, ...
So you're like the pharisees with their worship of rules and laws.
No.
LIAR!
|
99.9999% on the Irony Meter. Particularly since I, unlike
you, make a point of NEVER lying in my posts.
| Quote: | Jesus was no Pharisee, [[ and he recognized the value of
laws, as embodied in the Ten Commandments. The laws against
ILLEGAL immigration are very SENSIBLE laws. ]]
YOU'RE NOT JESUS, YOU STINKING HYPOCRITE!
|
I don't recall making any such claim. And as a Christian,
I *do* put full stock in everything in the Bible that HE said.
| Quote: | [[ ...so it's time for them to return HOME again. On their
own hook.
So you DO want to force them to leave.
Nope. Any of them that can get along without money can
feel free to stay. ]]
|
[[[ Since Ray was OFF-topic for this thread -- something he
makes a HABIT of -- I'll also post this in a thread of its
own that is ON this Illegal Alien topic. ]]]
As a reminder to the Readers, I'm providing the SIG below that
you have never been able to disprove or refute ANY part of. ---
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry.
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
FACTS about ILLEGAL Aliens
(1) ILLEGAL aliens did not belong here in the FIRST place.
(2) Federal laws prohibit undocumented entry into the USA.
(3) Federal laws STRICTLY prohibit WORKING in the USA without
proper and legal documentation (such as a Green Card.)
(4) Every ILLEGAL alien is a CRIMINAL by default, for entering
illegally, and even MORE of one if WORKING here.
(5) Throughout our history, tens of millions of people have
worked HARD to EARN residency and citizenship here.
(a) CRIMINALS should NEVER be *rewarded* for being
criminals.
(b) According LEGAL status to ILLEGAL, criminal aliens
without their INSTEAD applying for it through proper
channels and EARNING it would be a massive **insult**
to the millions who did it the RIGHT and LEGAL way.
(6) Urge your Congressperson to SUPPORT H.R. 1940.
More information:
http://apifar.blogspot.com/2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
If the URL doesn't work, combine its components,
below, in your browser:
http://
apifar.blogspot.com/
2008/01/almost-all-of-usas-14-million-illegal.html
And here's a real EYE-OPENER!! --
http://www.immigrationcounters.com/
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~* |
|
