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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:23:36 -0500,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:
Emerson Wainwright <emersonwainwright@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Emerson Wainwright <emersonwainwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
James Riske <james.ri...@hotmail.com> ...
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| Quote: | ... once again proved himself DELUSIONAL when he wrote
THIS absurd and totally dishonest sentence:
Poor Craig, Gabriel soundly refuted you, it was ugly, and as
as predicted you weaved and dodged the facts and absolutely
could not handle defeat.
You really OUTDID yourself THIS time, loon. The entire
sentence you just wrote was a lie.
I trounced Gabriel, and proved to him that there were
contradictions in the Bible that NO one could explain away.
Least of all little self-rightious clowns like him.
Ever since I presented him with three of those that show
contractions in numbers and names cited in passages, there
hasn't been a peep out of him in response.
And -- FASCINATINGLY -- the very PRESENCE of contra-
dictions in the Bible is PROOF that only PART of it -- and NOT
*all* of it, could be Divinely-inspired by a perfect God.
Which MEANS that it is very LIKELY that passages which
seem to condemn homosexuality are injections of hatefulness
into their writings by bigoted authors.
The passages regarding homosexuality are based on the culture
of the time and place whence those passages came.
Sinning is not ok just because a "culture" accepts it or not
as" ok".
Of course it is. "Sin" is a cultural concept.
No, sin is what you do against God. And God's word never changes.
See my next comment, about that. Meanwhile, I remind you of
a couple of things: (1) Not everyone believes in God, and that is
THEIR
business.
Jesus says it's our business to preach the gospel.
Mark 16:15-16 KJVR And he said unto them, Go ye into all the
world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that
believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth
not shall be damned.
If you do not care for people, and do not care of the destruction
many are unknowingly headed for, then you will do nothing. If you
do care, then you'll make sure people are at least *aware* of the
truth.
That's why I *passively* (as in NOT "in-your-face") proselytize
from time to time by leaving UNbigoted tracts around for people to
either take or leave, as they choose. People who *actively*
porselytize are obnoxious and buttinskyish jerks. People have the
RIGHT to believe (or NOT believe), as they CHOOSE. Without
outside interference.
LOL
Yeah, that's what Cain tried to tell God, too.
It didn't fly then either...
SURE it did. It was between Cain and God. NO one else's business.
God won the day, but the fact remains -- it STILL was between Cain and
God. And was NO one else's business.
The biggest problem with RRR Cultists today is that they are some
of the world's MOST OBNOXIOUS **busybodies**!
Asinine reply fully expected.
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But not received. What a shame.
| Quote: | Cain said He was NOT Abel's "keeper."
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You should have mde yourself more clear. I thought you
were referring to God's rebuke of him.
| Quote: | God demonstrated otherwise.
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It's a real LEAP to go from being one's kesper vis-a-vis KILLING
Abel, to relating that to proselytizing. So no matter what you'd
meant in that last post, it wasn't making much sense.
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2008 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: First "contradiction" explained, showing how it's not a |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:34:39 -0500,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"Emerson Wainwright" <emersonwainwright@yahoo.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | The passages regarding homosexuality are based on the culture
of the time and place whence those passages came.
The claim of the natural beasts seeking to change times and laws.
God is NOT mocked.
GOD's business, not yours.
There's that voice from hell again.
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You need to work on that.
| Quote: | Meanwhile, back on the ranch...
Eze 3:16-21
And it came to pass at the end of seven days, that the word of the LORD
came unto me, saying,
Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel:
therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me.
When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him
not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save
his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will
I require at thine hand. Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from
his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but
thou hast delivered thy soul.
Again, When a righteous man doth turn from his righteousness, and commit
iniquity, and I lay a stumblingblock before him, he shall die: because thou
hast not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness
which he hath done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at
thine hand. Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous
sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned;
also thou hast delivered thy soul.
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There's a lot of extremism in the OLD Testament. Far less busybodyism
was written in the NEW Testament. You need to read THIS, to see in
detail what I mean by that:
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com/2007/10/1-cor-512-13-your-key-to-defeating.html
If it gets shortened in the posting, reassemple these components in
your browsr:
http://
pro-christian.blogspot.com/
2007/10/1-cor-512-13-your-key-to-defeating.html
| Quote: | God is big enough to take care of Himself without losers like you
WHINING about how other people choose to deal with Him.
So sayeth the natural beasts who kick against the pricks (not gets
kicks out of pricks).
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LOL!!! (I'm assuming that's an attempt at humor, and not an
expression of bigotry on your part, to give you the benefit of the
doubt.) And... So sayeith INTELLIGENT people who want nothing
to do with control-freakish busybodysm.
| Quote: | You are making a busybodyish JOKE of yourself. ...
So said Cain to Abel, but it was CAIN who went to ABLE in the first place.
Same thing here: If you don't want to hear the truth that your "sacrifices"
are unacceptable, DON'T GO LOOKING FOR ABEL TO "RAISE CAIN," fool.
(Translation: STAY OFF THE CHRISTIAN BOARDS if you don't want to hear THE
CHRISTIAN TRUTH.)
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Nice try, but my father was a minister, and I've been a Christian all
my life. So just because you want to pretend to be one while being a
hateful person, well -- that's YOUR problem. So you'll be seeing a LOT
of me in these groups, debunking bigotries.
| Quote: | ... AND are giving *normal* (NON-obnoxious) Christians a bad
name, if anyone were to be ignorant enough to misperceive that
you in any way are representative of us in your busybodyism.
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-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 5:19 am Post subject: Re: First "contradiction" explained, showing how it's not a |
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On Saturday 02 August 2008 02:25 am H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
<xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote in message
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People have the
RIGHT to believe (or NOT believe), as they CHOOSE.
LOL
Yeah, that's what Cain tried to tell God, too.
It didn't fly then either...
Ike
Cain tried to tell God he didn't believe in him? Where in the Bible does
it say that?
Cain tried to tell God that what Abel did was none of his business, saying
that he wasn't his "brother's keeper."
That's the same asinine argument that CC put up.
Didn't fly then, and doesn't fly now.
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No, Cain tried to hide the murder of his brother from God. The message of
the story was not to be your "brother's keeper" but not to murder. People
still have the right to believe as they choose without some kook trying to
scare them into believing the same way they do. Only stupid and/or
gullible people can be made to believe something they don't really believe
out of fear.
--
Bushism 5-23:
"I'm thrilled to be here in the breadbasket of America because it gives me a
chance to remind our fellow citizens that we have an advantage here in
America-- we can feed ourselves."
--Stockton, California; August 23, 2002 |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 11:19 am Post subject: Re: PARTS of The Bible ARE Inspired by God. But *Not* ALL of |
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In alt.religion.christian lsenders@hotmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 23, 3:46 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu2...@mchsi.com> wrote:
PARTS of The Bible ARE Inspired by God..
But *Not* ALL of it.
Its CONTRADICTIONS are Proof-Positive of That.
There are MANY very REAL contradictions in the Bible.
How many books does one require written that answer these
so called "contradictions"?
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Just one, if it truly does what you claim. Unfortunately, none of them do
a satsifactory job of it.
| Quote: | In point of fact, homosexuality is
a divine punishment given to unbelieving peoples.
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You are insane.
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certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
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H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:27 am Post subject: Re: First "contradiction" explained, showing how it's not a |
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| Quote: | On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 01:23:36 -0500,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:
Emerson Wainwright <emersonwainwright@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Gabriel" <gabriel_bapt...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Emerson Wainwright <emersonwainwri...@yahoo.com> wrote:
"(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
James Riske <james.ri...@hotmail.com> ...
... once again proved himself DELUSIONAL when he wrote
THIS absurd and totally dishonest sentence:
Poor Craig, Gabriel soundly refuted you, it was ugly, and
as
as predicted you weaved and dodged the facts and absolutely
could not handle defeat.
You really OUTDID yourself THIS time, loon. The entire
sentence you just wrote was a lie.
I trounced Gabriel, and proved to him that there were
contradictions in the Bible that NO one could explain away.
Least of all little self-rightious clowns like him.
Ever since I presented him with three of those that show
contractions in numbers and names cited in passages, there
hasn't been a peep out of him in response.
And -- FASCINATINGLY -- the very PRESENCE of contra-
dictions in the Bible is PROOF that only PART of it -- and NOT
*all* of it, could be Divinely-inspired by a perfect God.
Which MEANS that it is very LIKELY that passages which
seem to condemn homosexuality are injections of hatefulness
into their writings by bigoted authors.
The passages regarding homosexuality are based on the
culture
of the time and place whence those passages came.
Sinning is not ok just because a "culture" accepts it or
not
as" ok".
Of course it is. "Sin" is a cultural concept.
No, sin is what you do against God. And God's word never
changes.
See my next comment, about that. Meanwhile, I remind you of
a couple of things: (1) Not everyone believes in God, and that is
THEIR
business.
Jesus says it's our business to preach the gospel.
Mark 16:15-16 KJVR And he said unto them, Go ye into all the
world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that
believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth
not shall be damned.
If you do not care for people, and do not care of the destruction
many are unknowingly headed for, then you will do nothing. If you
do care, then you'll make sure people are at least *aware* of the
truth.
That's why I *passively* (as in NOT "in-your-face") proselytize
from time to time by leaving UNbigoted tracts around for people to
either take or leave, as they choose. People who *actively*
porselytize are obnoxious and buttinskyish jerks. People have the
RIGHT to believe (or NOT believe), as they CHOOSE. Without
outside interference.
LOL
Yeah, that's what Cain tried to tell God, too.
It didn't fly then either...
SURE it did. It was between Cain and God. NO one else's business.
God won the day, but the fact remains -- it STILL was between Cain and
God. And was NO one else's business.
The biggest problem with RRR Cultists today is that they are some
of the world's MOST OBNOXIOUS **busybodies**!
Asinine reply fully expected.
But not received. What a shame.
Cain said He was NOT Abel's "keeper."
You should have mde yourself more clear. I thought you
were referring to God's rebuke of him.
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Duh.
GOD REBUKED CAIN BECAUSE OF HIS CRASS DISREGARD FOR ABEL'S WELL-BEING, EVEN
TO THE POINT OF KILLING HIM.
Jesus even took it a step further, referring to Abel's death as the first
martyrdom of one of God's prophets.
Mt 23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
And all for "proselytizing" Cain, i.e. TELLING HIM WHAT HE NEEDED TO HEAR
INSTEAD OF WHAT HE WANTED TO HEAR.
JUST LIKE YOU...
| Quote: | God demonstrated otherwise.
It's a real LEAP to go from being one's kesper vis-a-vis KILLING
Abel, to relating that to proselytizing.
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No, it's THE NEXT STEP.
| Quote: | So no matter what you'd
meant in that last post, it wasn't making much sense.
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Of course not--if it "made sense" to you, YOU WOULDN'T BE TELLING THE LIES
YOU'RE TELLING.
Ike |
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People have the
RIGHT to believe (or NOT believe), as they CHOOSE.
LOL
Yeah, that's what Cain tried to tell God, too.
It didn't fly then either...
Ike
Cain tried to tell God he didn't believe in him? Where in the Bible
does
it say that?
Cain tried to tell God that what Abel did was none of his business,
saying
that he wasn't his "brother's keeper."
That's the same asinine argument that CC put up.
Didn't fly then, and doesn't fly now.
No, Cain tried to hide the murder of his brother from God. The message of
the story was not to be your "brother's keeper" but not to murder.
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LOL
Yes it is.
Cain murdered Abel because God prophesied the truth to Cain.
Ge 4:6-7
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy
countenance fallen?
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not
well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou
shalt rule over him.
Cain rebelled against God's message, then when God called him on the carpet,
Cain said he WASN'T his brother's keeper, directly rebelling against the
message God had given him.
The WHOLE THING was over WHO WOULD HAVE AUTHORITY OVER WHOM, and Cain had
the upper hand through obedience, so Cain rejected the notion of EITHER ONE
OF THEM having authority (or responsibility) FOR WATCHING OUT FOR THE OTHER.
| Quote: | People
still have the right to believe as they choose without some kook trying to
scare them into believing the same way they do.
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Not when they're lying to themselves and everyone around them.
Jesus and the boys TRASHED frauds who did that.
| Quote: | Only stupid and/or
gullible people can be made to believe something they don't really believe
out of fear.
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Funny, since it's FEAR that DRIVES YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS--the FEAR that you
MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SCREWED IN THE HEAD.
No need to fear--YOU ARE.
Everyone is.
Time to confess it and start moving in the RIGHT direction instead of the
wrong one.
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On Saturday 09 August 2008 05:38 pm H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.
<xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote in message
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People have the
RIGHT to believe (or NOT believe), as they CHOOSE.
LOL
Yeah, that's what Cain tried to tell God, too.
It didn't fly then either...
Ike
Cain tried to tell God he didn't believe in him? Where in the Bible
does
it say that?
Cain tried to tell God that what Abel did was none of his business,
saying
that he wasn't his "brother's keeper."
That's the same asinine argument that CC put up.
Didn't fly then, and doesn't fly now.
No, Cain tried to hide the murder of his brother from God. The message
of the story was not to be your "brother's keeper" but not to murder.
LOL
Yes it is.
Cain murdered Abel because God prophesied the truth to Cain.
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No, it was because Cain was jealous of Abel. Jealousy pure and simple.
| Quote: | Ge 4:6-7
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy
countenance fallen?
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not
well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou
shalt rule over him.
Cain rebelled against God's message, then when God called him on the
carpet, Cain said he WASN'T his brother's keeper, directly rebelling
against the message God had given him.
The WHOLE THING was over WHO WOULD HAVE AUTHORITY OVER WHOM, and Cain had
the upper hand through obedience, so Cain rejected the notion of EITHER
ONE OF THEM having authority (or responsibility) FOR WATCHING OUT FOR THE
OTHER.
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Right. And that means that no one person has the authority to kill another
person. Only God has that authority.
| Quote: | People
still have the right to believe as they choose without some kook trying
to scare them into believing the same way they do.
Not when they're lying to themselves and everyone around them.
Jesus and the boys TRASHED frauds who did that.
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Jesus "trashed" people who told others what to believe. People who are so
hung up on rules and laws that they completely miss God and the intentions
behind the laws. NOBODY should tell anyone else how they should believe.
| Quote: | Only stupid and/or
gullible people can be made to believe something they don't really
believe out of fear.
Funny, since it's FEAR that DRIVES YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS--the FEAR that you
MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SCREWED IN THE HEAD.
No need to fear--YOU ARE.
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What fear do you imagine I have that drives my supposed false teachings?
Don't project.
| Quote: | Time to confess it and start moving in the RIGHT direction instead of the
wrong one.
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I am already moving in the right direction for me. Of that I am 100% sure.
--
Bushism 3-7:
"Nothing he [Saddam Hussein] has done has convinced me--I'm confident the
Secretary of Defense--that he is the kind of fellow that is willing to
forgo weapons of mass destruction, is willing to be a peaceful neighbor,
that is--will honor the people--the Iraqi people of all stripes,
will--values human life. He hasn't convinced me, nor has he convinced my
administration."
--Crawford, Texas; August 21, 2002 |
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People have the
RIGHT to believe (or NOT believe), as they CHOOSE.
LOL
Yeah, that's what Cain tried to tell God, too.
It didn't fly then either...
Ike
Cain tried to tell God he didn't believe in him? Where in the Bible
does
it say that?
Cain tried to tell God that what Abel did was none of his business,
saying
that he wasn't his "brother's keeper."
That's the same asinine argument that CC put up.
Didn't fly then, and doesn't fly now.
No, Cain tried to hide the murder of his brother from God. The message
of the story was not to be your "brother's keeper" but not to murder.
LOL
Yes it is.
Cain murdered Abel because God prophesied the truth to Cain.
No, it was because Cain was jealous of Abel.
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BECAUSE GOD PROPHESIED AGAINST CAIN'S PRESENT STANCE AND FOR ABEL.
I EVEN QUOTED IT.
| Quote: | Jealousy pure and simple.
Ge 4:6-7
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy
countenance fallen?
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not
well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou
shalt rule over him.
Cain rebelled against God's message, then when God called him on the
carpet, Cain said he WASN'T his brother's keeper, directly rebelling
against the message God had given him.
The WHOLE THING was over WHO WOULD HAVE AUTHORITY OVER WHOM, and Cain had
the upper hand through obedience, so Cain rejected the notion of EITHER
ONE OF THEM having authority (or responsibility) FOR WATCHING OUT FOR THE
OTHER.
Right. And that means that no one person has the authority to kill
another
person.
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HE DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT "KILL" IN THE PROPHECY, goofball...
HE SPOKE OF AUTHORITY AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONE ANOTHER...
Ge 4:6-7
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy
countenance fallen?
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not
well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou
shalt rule over him.
The CAUSE of the murder wasn't MURDER--the CAUSE of the murder WAS A DISPUTE
ABOUT ACCEPTABILITY AND AUTHORITY.
ABEL did things right, making him ACCEPTABLE to God.
Cain did things WRONG, making him UNACCEPTABLE to God, and the Lord TOLD HIM
ABOUT, and that, IF HE WOULD DO WHAT WAS ACCEPTABLE, he would HAVE AUTHORITY
OVER CAIN, i.e. "and unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over
him."
But Cain rebelled against BOTH POINTS--acceptable behavior AND human
authority over and responsibility for one another, WHICH IS PRECISELY WHAT
CRAIG CHILTON IS ALL ABOUT.
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Nope.
God extended that authority to man, and it was, in fact, CAIN'S FAULT...
Ge 9:6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in
the image of God made he man.
| Quote: | People
still have the right to believe as they choose without some kook trying
to scare them into believing the same way they do.
Not when they're lying to themselves and everyone around them.
Jesus and the boys TRASHED frauds who did that.
Jesus "trashed" people who told others what to believe.
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Bullshit.
Jesus TRASHED the Pharisees, Sadducees, and Herodians WHO PERVERTED THE
WORD, NOT "who told others what to believe."
HE told the believers TO TELL OTHERS WHAT TO BELIEVE IN, namely, HIMSELF.
| Quote: | People who are so
hung up on rules and laws that they completely miss God and the intentions
behind the laws.
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That's only 1/3 of the problem.
People who IGNORE rules and laws ALSO completely miss God and the intentions
behind the laws, and people who go LEFT when they should go RIGHT and RIGHT
when they should go LEFT constitute the other ignorant third.
| Quote: | NOBODY should tell anyone else how they should believe.
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Ehhhhhh.
Wrong answer.
In fact, THAT'S THE ANSWER OF CAIN TO GOD.
| Quote: | Only stupid and/or
gullible people can be made to believe something they don't really
believe out of fear.
Funny, since it's FEAR that DRIVES YOUR FALSE TEACHINGS--the FEAR that
you
MIGHT ACTUALLY BE SCREWED IN THE HEAD.
No need to fear--YOU ARE.
What fear do you imagine I have that drives my supposed false teachings?
Everyone is.
Don't project.
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No "projection" to it...
Ro 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
EVERYBODY is "screwed in the head."
The question is are you going to stand there and DENY it, or DO something
about it?
| Quote: | Time to confess it and start moving in the RIGHT direction instead of the
wrong one.
I am already moving in the right direction for me. Of that I am 100%
sure.
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So was Cain...
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:27:59 -0500,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
<snip everything>
There was NO disrespect meant to you by my making that
<snip> just now. I simply want to get things back on track,
when it comes to proselytizing -- and I regard the Garden of
Eden account... Cain, Abel, and all, to be allegorical at best.
For anyone to take that seriously, we'd have to dispense
with the reality of hundreds of thousands of years of cave-
dwelling humanity.
THIS, from a thread I initiated yesterday, gets to the
nitty-gritty of the proselytization issue:
If the Bible were to tell us *everything,* it would have to be
trillions of volumes long. So obviously, a LOT of significant and
important things have been left out.
One of the MOST important things probably has to do with
the way God deals with the problem of people who die without
ever having HEARD of Jesus Christ. Much less ever had a chance
to accept Him.
Let's assume, from what the Bible has said, that children
who die while below the age of "accountability" (and only GOD
knows what THAT is, case-by-case) go to heaven. That just
leaves the VAST majority of people who survive childhood, and
become adults.
If we consider just China (1.3 billion people) and India (1.1
billion), we have about 2/5 of the entire world's population in
those two countries alone. Two countries that have only a TINY
percentage of Christians. It's probably a safe bet that in those
countries, fewer than 10% have ever even HEARD of Jesus.
And that is probably being quite generous. That leaves at least
1/3 of all of humanity alive today who know NOTHING about
Jesus.
There are MANY things that we know about, that the Bible
doesn't cover. Such as nuclear fusion. How bacteria cause
disease. The fact that there's no atmosphere on the moon.
And the jobs we'll have throughout eternity, after we die. (You
know... that fascinating information the Bible COULD have
provided, if only Revelation had been a few chapters longer!)
Etc., etc. And perhaps its most PROFOUND omission has to
do with the way a LOVING God who has, as Jesus, proclaimed
that people can come to Him ONLY through Christ -- can keep
FROM watching billions of people who never heard of Jesus
from winding up in hell.
The ONLY thing that seems reasonable, to fit that require-
ment, would be for there to be a process -- one that the Bible
*omitted* -- by which those billions of people COULD still come
to Christ... AFTER they die.
God created a LOT of angels, and it's not unreasonable to
think that one of THEIR tasks IN heaven (or perhaps some form
of ante-chamber) is to present the gospel message to all those
billions of souls, and give them the choice after that, to either
accept or reject Christ.
Now -- as for the billions who DO learn of Jesus while still
alive, and then have that same choice -- they are surely at
great peril. Because if they learn the gospel message while
alive, and then happen to REJECT it, as countless millions of
people regularly do, then there is no reason to think that they
would get another chance after death. Having NOT gone to
their deaths innocent of that knowledge.
Jesus almost surely commanded His followers to spread the
gospel as an act of faith. BUT -- it just may be possible that
those who are recipients of that effort who then choose NOT
to accept Christ, have been done NO favors!
Proselytization's DARK side!
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:27:59 -0500,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
snip everything
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"Declare victory and run away"
| Quote: | There was NO disrespect meant to you by my making that
snip> just now.
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What a dumbshit liar you are.
| Quote: | I simply want to get things back on track,
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Control freak.
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:27:59 -0500,
Ray Fischer INANELY wrote:
| Quote: | Craig Chilton <xanadu222@_mchsi.com> wrote:
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | snip everything
Declare victory and run away.
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Wrong. The DISCUSSION I was having with him
goes on, on the TOPIC of proselytization. But there is
NO point in discussing a REAL issue from the standpoint
of a FABLE. *That* would be utter nonsense, and
pointless.
Now, as I was saying to Ike before your STUPID
interruption, Ray:
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
There was NO disrespect meant to you by my making that
<snip> just now. I simply want to get things back on track,
when it comes to proselytizing -- and I regard the Garden of
Eden account... Cain, Abel, and all, to be allegorical at best.
For anyone to take that seriously, we'd have to dispense
with the reality of hundreds of thousands of years of cave-
dwelling humanity.
THIS, from a thread I initiated yesterday, gets to the
nitty-gritty of the proselytization issue:
If the Bible were to tell us *everything,* it would have to be
trillions of volumes long. So obviously, a LOT of significant and
important things have been left out.
One of the MOST important things probably has to do with
the way God deals with the problem of people who die without
ever having HEARD of Jesus Christ. Much less ever had a chance
to accept Him.
Let's assume, from what the Bible has said, that children
who die while below the age of "accountability" (and only GOD
knows what THAT is, case-by-case) go to heaven. That just
leaves the VAST majority of people who survive childhood, and
become adults.
If we consider just China (1.3 billion people) and India (1.1
billion), we have about 2/5 of the entire world's population in
those two countries alone. Two countries that have only a TINY
percentage of Christians. It's probably a safe bet that in those
countries, fewer than 10% have ever even HEARD of Jesus.
And that is probably being quite generous. That leaves at least
1/3 of all of humanity alive today who know NOTHING about
Jesus.
There are MANY things that we know about, that the Bible
doesn't cover. Such as nuclear fusion. How bacteria cause
disease. The fact that there's no atmosphere on the moon.
And the jobs we'll have throughout eternity, after we die. (You
know... that fascinating information the Bible COULD have
provided, if only Revelation had been a few chapters longer!)
Etc., etc. And perhaps its most PROFOUND omission has to
do with the way a LOVING God who has, as Jesus, proclaimed
that people can come to Him ONLY through Christ -- can keep
FROM watching billions of people who never heard of Jesus
from winding up in hell.
The ONLY thing that seems reasonable, to fit that require-
ment, would be for there to be a process -- one that the Bible
*omitted* -- by which those billions of people COULD still come
to Christ... AFTER they die.
God created a LOT of angels, and it's not unreasonable to
think that one of THEIR tasks IN heaven (or perhaps some form
of ante-chamber) is to present the gospel message to all those
billions of souls, and give them the choice after that, to either
accept or reject Christ.
Now -- as for the billions who DO learn of Jesus while still
alive, and then have that same choice -- they are surely at
great peril. Because if they learn the gospel message while
alive, and then happen to REJECT it, as countless millions of
people regularly do, then there is no reason to think that they
would get another chance after death. Having NOT gone to
their deaths innocent of that knowledge.
Jesus almost surely commanded His followers to spread the
gospel as an act of faith. BUT -- it just may be possible that
those who are recipients of that effort who then choose NOT
to accept Christ, have been done NO favors!
Proselytization's DARK side!
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:44:09 -0500,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.<xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"(`.Craig Chilton.) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | People have the RIGHT to believe (or NOT believe),
as they CHOOSE.
Yeah, that's what Cain tried to tell God, too.
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<Everything pertaining to the Garden of Eden allegorical story snipped>
I deal with facts, and reality. A fable that leads the ignorant
to think such nonsense as the world's only being a few thousand
years old is irrelevant to this discussion, and would reduce it to
being ludicrous.
And...
| Quote: | BECAUSE GOD PROPHESIED AGAINST CAIN'S PRESENT STANCE
AND FOR ABEL.
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Caps Lock Key broken, is it? Or are you so DESPERATE to make
points that you capitalize entire sentences? <<sheeesh!!>> Just
one MORE good reason NOT to get involved in discussing fables with
people who actually are hung up on them.
| Quote: | But Cain rebelled against BOTH POINTS -- acceptable behavior
AND human authority over and responsibility for one another, WHICH
IS PRECISELY WHAT CRAIG CHILTON IS ALL ABOUT.
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Wrong. But --
One of the things that I *AM* all about is sticking to FACTS and
COMMON SENSE, and NOT getting into idiotic debates over the
supposed meaning of FABLES written for a non-scientific civilization
that was about three steps out of the Stone Age.
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- CRIMINAL
| Quote: | Ray Fischer
snip everything
Declare victory and run away.
Wrong.
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"snip everything"
Run along, pro-liar coward.
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 5:49 am Post subject: Re: First "contradiction" explained, showing how it's not a |
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(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas: Extinction! <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 01:44:09 -0500,
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"Bill Baker" <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
H.E. Eickleberry, Jr.<xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
"(`.Craig Chilton.) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas:
Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
People have the RIGHT to believe (or NOT believe),
as they CHOOSE.
Yeah, that's what Cain tried to tell God, too.
Everything pertaining to the Garden of Eden allegorical story snipped
I deal with facts, and reality.
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 16:27:59 -0500,
Ray Fischer INANELY wrote:
| Quote: | Craig Chilton <xanadu222@_mchsi.com> wrote:
"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <xeickleberrybooks@msn.com> wrote:
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| Quote: | snip everything
Declare victory and run away.
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Wrong. The DISCUSSION I was having with him
goes on, on the TOPIC of proselytization. But there is
NO point in discussing a REAL issue from the standpoint
of a FABLE. *That* would be utter nonsense, and
pointless.
Now, as I was saying to Ike before your STUPID
interruption, Ray:
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
There was NO disrespect meant to you by my making that
<snip> just now. I simply want to get things back on track,
when it comes to proselytizing -- and I regard the Garden of
Eden account... Cain, Abel, and all, to be allegorical at best.
For anyone to take that seriously, we'd have to dispense
with the reality of hundreds of thousands of years of cave-
dwelling humanity.
THIS, from a thread I initiated yesterday, gets to the
nitty-gritty of the proselytization issue:
If the Bible were to tell us *everything,* it would have to be
trillions of volumes long. So obviously, a LOT of significant and
important things have been left out.
One of the MOST important things probably has to do with
the way God deals with the problem of people who die without
ever having HEARD of Jesus Christ. Much less ever had a chance
to accept Him.
Let's assume, from what the Bible has said, that children
who die while below the age of "accountability" (and only GOD
knows what THAT is, case-by-case) go to heaven. That just
leaves the VAST majority of people who survive childhood, and
become adults.
If we consider just China (1.3 billion people) and India (1.1
billion), we have about 2/5 of the entire world's population in
those two countries alone. Two countries that have only a TINY
percentage of Christians. It's probably a safe bet that in those
countries, fewer than 10% have ever even HEARD of Jesus.
And that is probably being quite generous. That leaves at least
1/3 of all of humanity alive today who know NOTHING about
Jesus.
There are MANY things that we know about, that the Bible
doesn't cover. Such as nuclear fusion. How bacteria cause
disease. The fact that there's no atmosphere on the moon.
And the jobs we'll have throughout eternity, after we die. (You
know... that fascinating information the Bible COULD have
provided, if only Revelation had been a few chapters longer!)
Etc., etc. And perhaps its most PROFOUND omission has to
do with the way a LOVING God who has, as Jesus, proclaimed
that people can come to Him ONLY through Christ -- can keep
FROM watching billions of people who never heard of Jesus
from winding up in hell.
The ONLY thing that seems reasonable, to fit that require-
ment, would be for there to be a process -- one that the Bible
*omitted* -- by which those billions of people COULD still come
to Christ... AFTER they die.
God created a LOT of angels, and it's not unreasonable to
think that one of THEIR tasks IN heaven (or perhaps some form
of ante-chamber) is to present the gospel message to all those
billions of souls, and give them the choice after that, to either
accept or reject Christ.
Now -- as for the billions who DO learn of Jesus while still
alive, and then have that same choice -- they are surely at
great peril. Because if they learn the gospel message while
alive, and then happen to REJECT it, as countless millions of
people regularly do, then there is no reason to think that they
would get another chance after death. Having NOT gone to
their deaths innocent of that knowledge.
Jesus almost surely commanded His followers to spread the
gospel as an act of faith. BUT -- it just may be possible that
those who are recipients of that effort who then choose NOT
to accept Christ, have been done NO favors!
Proselytization's DARK side!
-- Craig Chilton
xanadu222@mchsi.com -- To E-Mail me.
http://www.roadrat.com -- Learn how to get PAID to TRAVEL.
http://apifar.blogspot.com -- Great TACTICS to Fight Bigotry.
http://pro-christian.blogspot.com -- Christianity *vs.* Bigotry. |
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