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PARTS of The Bible ARE Inspired by God.
But *Not* ALL of it.
Its CONTRADICTIONS are Proof-Positive of That.

There are MANY very REAL contradictions in the Bible. Ones
that are so clear-cut that NO one will EVER be able to explain
them away.

As a Christian, I *do* believe that SOME of the Bible was
Divinely-inspired, and that the Bible Codes have very seren-
dipitously proven that beyond doubt. (Perhaps the "sealed"
information referred-to in Daniel.)

BUT -- the presence of contradictions within the Bible serve
as proof positive that NOT **all** of its content was Divinely-
inspired. For if the Bible WERE completely-inspired by a PERFECT
God, it could contain NO contradictions.

Obviously, God would have inspired the portions of greatest
importance to Him, and probably influenced the later councils of
MEN to include those portions. Unfortunately, those same men
clearly included other writings of their own choosing.

Thus, it is VERY possible that the passages that are harsh
toward homosexuality reflect the OPINIONS of BIGOTED writers.

Significantly, there is NO mention of it in the 10 Commandments.

Luckily for women, *abortion* doesn't seem to have been on
any of their hit lists, since there is NO mention or condemnation
of THAT in the Bible, at all.

As time goes on, the more people use the brains God gave them
to reason things out, the clearer the actual composition of the
Bible becomes.

Now -- IF ONLY the Divinely-inspired portions of the Bible
had just been MORE revealing! It would have been phenomenal
if God had CONTINUED Revelation, for example, for several more
chapters to let us all know what sort of things we'll be DOING in
heaven, and just WHAT sort of jobs we'll have a quadrillion
years from now... an OCTILLION years from now -- and through-
out ALL of endless eternity. How I WISH the Bible had told us
THAT!!

I can't imagine anything more FASCINATING than for God
to have told us that -- INSTEAD of leaving us in the position of
"seeing through a glass darkly." (!!!!!)

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On Jul 23, 3:46 pm, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's
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Gabriel · Guest

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 20:46:08 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) --
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<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

:
: PARTS of The Bible ARE Inspired by God.
: But *Not* ALL of it.
: Its CONTRADICTIONS are Proof-Positive of That.
:
: There are MANY very REAL contradictions in the Bible. Ones
: that are so clear-cut that NO one will EVER be able to explain
: them away.

They've long been explained away - you just refuse to look at
them, which does not equate to them not being explained.

1 Corinthians 2:9-14 KJVR But as it is written, Eye hath not
seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man,
the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit
searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what
man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is
in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit
of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world,
but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things
that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we
speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which
the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of
the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can
he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Start by giving us 5 examples that have not only not been
explained away, but that no one will ever be able to explain
away, according to you of course. Let's see if you even read the
explanations for supposed contradictions that aren't really
contradictions, for starters:

http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/bible.htm
http://usminc.org/FLASHGIFS/136BC.pdf
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties.htm
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties_2.htm
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties_3.htm
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties_4.htm
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties_5.htm
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties_6.htm
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties_7.htm
http://www.carm.org/bible_difficulties_8.htm

Point out 5 that were not addressed, or if they were addressed,
then show what they said and exactly why what they said was not
an explanation at all.

The only contradiction is in your attempt to claim you know God,
yet encouraging parents to kill their innocent babies if it would
be too inconvenient to show mercy on them by allowing them to be
born so that they can be given up for adoption for someone else
to allow them to live their life.

You don't want to show mercy on the human life you've created by
allowing them to live and be adopted by someone not so
self-absorbed, God the Father will have as little mercy on you
and those like you.

Matthew 5:7 KJVR Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain
mercy.

:
: As a Christian, I *do* believe that SOME of the Bible was
: Divinely-inspired, and that the Bible Codes have very seren-
: dipitously proven that beyond doubt. (Perhaps the "sealed"
: information referred-to in Daniel.)
:
: BUT -- the presence of contradictions within the Bible serve
: as proof positive that NOT **all** of its content was Divinely-
: inspired. For if the Bible WERE completely-inspired by a PERFECT
: God, it could contain NO contradictions.
:
: Obviously, God would have inspired the portions of greatest
: importance to Him, and probably influenced the later councils of
: MEN to include those portions. Unfortunately, those same men
: clearly included other writings of their own choosing.
:
: Thus, it is VERY possible that the passages that are harsh
: toward homosexuality reflect the OPINIONS of BIGOTED writers.

Translation: "It is very possible that the passages that are
harsh towards things *you don't want to obey* reflect the
opinions of bigoted writers."

God's word is harsh towards any sin - Jesus preaches more about
hell than He does about heaven, trying to get people to avoid
hell. The only things you have a "problem" with are the things
you don't want to obey - and hence you fabricate this nonsense
about God's word only being inspired where it's convenient for
you, and God's word being hateful where it's not convenient for
you. It's that simple.

Having had this explained to you, you (and anyone else who buys
into these lies) will be that much more without excuse on their
day of judgment.

[rest of lies that satan would love you to believe and spread
deleted]

(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯ · Guest

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:05:25 -0400,
Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:

Gabriel · Guest

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:43:07 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) --
Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!"
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

: (1) According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about
: bearing his own witness?
:
: If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true. (John 5:3 1)
:
: Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true. (John 8:14)

As usual, people look at two isolated phrases that seem to say
opposite things, and don't look at what was said before it and
after it to see what is really being said. Let's take a closer
look at the context around it so we can see what's being said:

John 5:18 KJVR Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him,
because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that
God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

So in response to them wanting to kill him for saying that God
was his father, Jesus responds with many things, including the
verse you're referring to:

Jesus said,
John 5:31-34 KJVR If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not
true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I
know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye
sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. 34 But I
receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye
might be saved.

Jesus is pointing out that according to their ways, there frail
human ways of trying to accept man's testimony being accepted on
the testimony alone, that If "I bear witness of myself, my
witness is not true". This is their way of supposedly
establishing truth, given that so many are slaves to sin and lie.

So showing their hopeless method of establishing truth, a method
that God does not need (v34). So to give them what they "need":
to have their frail human method met, Jesus points out (v33) that
John bares Him witness.

Now compare this with John 8:14, which Jesus is now making much
more of a reference to Him really being the son of God:

John 8:13-18 KJVR The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou
bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. 14 Jesus
answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet
my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go;
but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 15 Ye judge
after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my
judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that
sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony
of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself,
and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

So again (v13) they are repeating their human method by pointing
out how Jesus is only bearing witness of Himself, which makes His
witness not true. Jesus responds at first in actual truth,
ignoring their frail human version of truth, being the son of God
He boldly claims "Although I bear record of myself, yet my record
is true" - claiming that although in their human frail way of
establishing truth, Jesus' testimony is true because He is the
son of God, and as such He is unique in not needing another
witness to satisfy man's weak version of establishing truth
amongst so many sinners (liars).

As Jesus says, they "judge after the flesh" - judge in mere human
ways. But He does finish up right there by repeating their human
ways of judging by pointing out, repeating what He also was
saying in (5:31) "It is also written *in your law* (not God's
law), that the testimony of two men is true" - so He *is*
rightfully repeating what He stated in John 5:31, which is their
mere human way of judging truth.

And finally using their frail human logic, but now repeating that
Jesus, being the Son of God, is true on His own testimony: Jesus
points to God this time as his second witness, not mentioning
John at all. This time Jesus is appealing directly to the fact
that He is the son of God, and that's why what He says is truth
and has no need for this weak human method of trying to determine
truth by only someone's testimony.

So as you can see Jesus is pointing out the same thing in both
cases: their human law of nothing being true unless there be two
witnesses. But the second time Jesus is bolding showing how He
alone does not need the witness of another to validate His
testimony, for as we know He is the Son of God. There was no
contradiction at all.

You said
"There are MANY very REAL contradictions in the Bible. Ones that
are so clear-cut that NO one will EVER be able to explain them
away."

But as has been shown this was no contradiction at all.

In fact, this "contradiction" looks like either
[1] The person who first claimed it was just trying to
dishonestly clip the exact phrase and hope others would only see
the small phrase and agree without looking into it, padding their
dishonest list of "contradictions" that are no such thing, or
[2] The person who first claimed this didn't understand at all
what was being said and couldn't see that there really was no
contradiction at all.

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:44 -0400,
Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:

Gabriel · Guest

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:43:38 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) --
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<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

: On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:33:44 -0400,
: Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
: > Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
:
:
: FROM:
: http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm
:
: >> (1) According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about
: >> bearing his own witness?
: >>
: >> If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true. (John 5:3 1)
: >>
: >> Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true. (John 8:14)
:
: > As usual, people look at two isolated phrases that seem to say
: > opposite things, and don't look at what was said before it and
: > after it to see what is really being said. Let's take a closer
: > look at the context around it so we can see what's being said:
: >
: > John 5:18 KJVR Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him,
: > because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that
: > God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
: >
: > So in response to them wanting to kill him for saying that God
: > was his father, Jesus responds with many things, including the
: > verse you're referring to:
: >
: > Jesus said,
: > John 5:31-34 KJVR If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not
: > true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I
: > know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye
: > sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. 34 But I
: > receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye
: > might be saved.
: >
: > Jesus is pointing out that according to their ways, their frail
: > human ways of trying to accept man's testimony being accepted on
: > the testimony alone, that If "I bear witness of myself, my
: > witness is not true". This is their way of supposedly estab-
: > lishing truth, given that so many are slaves to sin and lie.
: >
: > So showing their hopeless method of establishing truth, a method
: > that God does not need (v34). So to give them what they "need":
: > to have their frail human method met, Jesus points out (v33) that
: > John bares Him witness.
: >
: > Now compare this with John 8:14, which Jesus is now making much
: > more of a reference to Him really being the son of God:
: >
: > John 8:13-18 KJVR The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou
: > bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. 14 Jesus
: > answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet
: > my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go;
: > but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 15 Ye judge
: > after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my
: > judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that
: > sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony
: > of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself,
: > and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
: >
: > So again (v13) they are repeating their human method by pointing
: > out how Jesus is only bearing witness of Himself, which makes His
: > witness not true. Jesus responds at first in actual truth,
: > ignoring their frail human version of truth, being the son of God
: > He boldly claims "Although I bear record of myself, yet my record
: > is true" - claiming that although in their human frail way of
: > establishing truth, Jesus' testimony is true because He is the
: > son of God, and as such He is unique in not needing another
: > witness to satisfy man's weak version of establishing truth
: > amongst so many sinners (liars).
: >
: > As Jesus says, they "judge after the flesh" - judge in mere human
: > ways. But He does finish up right there by repeating their human
: > ways of judging by pointing out, repeating what He also was
: > saying in (5:31) "It is also written *in your law* (not God's
: > law), that the testimony of two men is true" - so He *is*
: > rightfully repeating what He stated in John 5:31, which is their
: > mere human way of judging truth.
: >
: > And finally using their frail human logic, but now repeating that
: > Jesus, being the Son of God, is true on His own testimony: Jesus
: > points to God this time as his second witness, not mentioning
: > John at all. This time Jesus is appealing directly to the fact
: > that He is the son of God, and that's why what He says is truth
: > and has no need for this weak human method of trying to determine
: > truth by only someone's testimony.
: >
: > So as you can see Jesus is pointing out the same thing in both
: > cases: their human law of nothing being true unless there be two
: > witnesses. But the second time Jesus is bolding showing how He
: > alone does not need the witness of another to validate His
: > testimony, for as we know He is the Son of God. There was no
: > contradiction at all.
: >
: > You said:
:
: >> "There are MANY very REAL contradictions in the Bible. Ones
: >> that are so clear-cut that NO one will EVER be able to explain them
: >> away."
:
: And there ARE, whether or not you actually explained THIS
: one. The source I cited has 100 MORE of them. So rather than
: subjecting us both to wading through tons of debate on the
: more nebulous ones, such as the one above, let's see you take
: on THESE, which home in on NAME and NUMBER contradictions.
:
: (1) God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years
: of famine?
:
: Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
:
: Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
:
: (2) How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
:
: Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
:
: Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
:
: 6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
:
: Eighteen (2 Kings 24: Cool

:
: Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
:
: > But as has been shown this was no contradiction at all.
: >
: > In fact, this "contradiction" looks like either
: > [1] The person who first claimed it was just trying to
: > dishonestly clip the exact phrase and hope others would only see
: > the small phrase and agree without looking into it, padding their
: > dishonest list of "contradictions" that are no such thing, or
: > [2] The person who first claimed this didn't understand at all
: > what was being said and couldn't see that there really was no
: > contradiction at all.
:
: Okay, just in CASE such might be true (and it probaly isn't),
: let's see if you can deal with the NAME and NUMBER contradictions,
: which are "black-and-white" ones, having no "gray areas."

So I take it you're willing to admit the one I just explained to
you about John 5 and John 8 was not a contradiction at all?

(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯ · Guest

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:50:42 -0400,
"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:

Gabriel · Guest

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:09:31 GMT, "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) --
Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome Agendas: Extinction!"
<xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:

: On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:50:42 -0400,
: "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:
: > "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) -- Rx for RRR Cult's Loathsome
: > Agendas: Extinction!" <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
: >> Gabriel <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote:
: >>> "(¯`·.¸Craig Chilton¸.·´¯) <xanadu222_@mchsi.com> wrote:
:
:
: FROM:
: http://www.answering-christianity.com/101_bible_contradictions.htm
:
: >: >> (1) According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about
: >: >> bearing his own witness?
: >: >>
: >: >> If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true. (John 5:3 1)
: >: >>
: >: >> Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true. (John 8:14)
:
: >: > As usual, people look at two isolated phrases that seem to say
: >: > opposite things, and don't look at what was said before it and
: >: > after it to see what is really being said. Let's take a closer
: >: > look at the context around it so we can see what's being said:
: >: >
: >: > John 5:18 KJVR Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him,
: >: > because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that
: >: > God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
: >: >
: >: > So in response to them wanting to kill him for saying that God
: >: > was his father, Jesus responds with many things, including the
: >: > verse you're referring to:
: >: >
: >: > Jesus said,
: >: > John 5:31-34 KJVR If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not
: >: > true. 32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I
: >: > know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye
: >: > sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. 34 But I
: >: > receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye
: >: > might be saved.
: >: >
: >: > Jesus is pointing out that according to their ways, their frail
: >: > human ways of trying to accept man's testimony being accepted on
: >: > the testimony alone, that If "I bear witness of myself, my
: >: > witness is not true". This is their way of supposedly estab-
: >: > lishing truth, given that so many are slaves to sin and lie.
: >: >
: >: > So showing their hopeless method of establishing truth, a method
: >: > that God does not need (v34). So to give them what they "need":
: >: > to have their frail human method met, Jesus points out (v33) that
: >: > John bares Him witness.
: >: >
: >: > Now compare this with John 8:14, which Jesus is now making much
: >: > more of a reference to Him really being the son of God:
: >: >
: >: > John 8:13-18 KJVR The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou
: >: > bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. 14 Jesus
: >: > answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet
: >: > my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go;
: >: > but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. 15 Ye judge
: >: > after the flesh; I judge no man. 16 And yet if I judge, my
: >: > judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that
: >: > sent me. 17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony
: >: > of two men is true. 18 I am one that bear witness of myself,
: >: > and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
: >: >
: >: > So again (v13) they are repeating their human method by pointing
: >: > out how Jesus is only bearing witness of Himself, which makes His
: >: > witness not true. Jesus responds at first in actual truth,
: >: > ignoring their frail human version of truth, being the son of God
: >: > He boldly claims "Although I bear record of myself, yet my record
: >: > is true" - claiming that although in their human frail way of
: >: > establishing truth, Jesus' testimony is true because He is the
: >: > son of God, and as such He is unique in not needing another
: >: > witness to satisfy man's weak version of establishing truth
: >: > amongst so many sinners (liars).
: >: >
: >: > As Jesus says, they "judge after the flesh" - judge in mere human
: >: > ways. But He does finish up right there by repeating their human
: >: > ways of judging by pointing out, repeating what He also was
: >: > saying in (5:31) "It is also written *in your law* (not God's
: >: > law), that the testimony of two men is true" - so He *is*
: >: > rightfully repeating what He stated in John 5:31, which is their
: >: > mere human way of judging truth.
: >: >
: >: > And finally using their frail human logic, but now repeating that
: >: > Jesus, being the Son of God, is true on His own testimony: Jesus
: >: > points to God this time as his second witness, not mentioning
: >: > John at all. This time Jesus is appealing directly to the fact
: >: > that He is the son of God, and that's why what He says is truth
: >: > and has no need for this weak human method of trying to determine
: >: > truth by only someone's testimony.
: >: >
: >: > So as you can see Jesus is pointing out the same thing in both
: >: > cases: their human law of nothing being true unless there be two
: >: > witnesses. But the second time Jesus is bolding showing how He
: >: > alone does not need the witness of another to validate His
: >: > testimony, for as we know He is the Son of God. There was no
: >: > contradiction at all.
: >: >
: >>> You said:
:
: >>>> "There are MANY very REAL contradictions in the Bible. Ones
: >>>> that are so clear-cut that NO one will EVER be able to explain them
: >>>> away."
:
: >> And there ARE, whether or not you actually explained THIS
: >> one. The source I cited has 100 MORE of them. So rather than
: >> subjecting us both to wading through tons of debate on the
: >> more nebulous ones,

First of all I refuted the *first one in your own list* that you
provided. Why put a "nebulous one" as the first one, and then
when I clearly refute it, you now say I debated a "nebulous one"?
The truth is most of those "contradictions" are just that:
nebulous, meant to pad their lists of "contradictions", and you
were dishonestly led to believe that they were contradictions
when they were nothing of the kind.

: such as the one above, let's see you take
: >> on THESE, which home in on NAME and NUMBER contradictions.
: >>
: >> (1) God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years
: >> of famine?
: >>
: >> Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
: >>
: >> Three (I Chronicles 21:12)
: >>
: >> (2) How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?
: >>
: >> Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
: >>
: >> Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)
: >>
: >> 6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?
: >>
: >> Eighteen (2 Kings 24: Cool

: >>
: >> Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)
:
: >: > But as has been shown this was no contradiction at all.
: >: >
: >: > In fact, this "contradiction" looks like either
: >: > [1] The person who first claimed it was just trying to
: >: > dishonestly clip the exact phrase and hope others would only see
: >: > the small phrase and agree without looking into it, padding their
: >: > dishonest list of "contradictions" that are no such thing, or
: >: > [2] The person who first claimed this didn't understand at all
: >: > what was being said and couldn't see that there really was no
: >: > contradiction at all.
:
: >> Okay, just in CASE such might be true (and it probaly isn't),
: >> let's see if you can deal with the NAME and NUMBER contradictions,
: >> which are "black-and-white" ones, having no "gray areas."
:
: > So I take it you're willing to admit the one I just explained to
: > you about John 5 and John 8 was not a contradiction at all?
:
: You "take it" wrong. I am giving fair CONSIDERATIUON to the
: possibility.

The interesting thing is, you cannot even admit the truth when
it's shown to you. If you cannot be honest here, then there's
little point in showing you anything else as you make it clear
you will just lie, and truth of refutation was never your goal,
but rather to just say "it has contradictions" and to say "you
lie" when someone clearly shows otherwise.

So either admit there's no such contradiction in this case and we
can go on to other "contradictions", or point out what's flat out
wrong about what was shown to you and we can go from there. Your
choice.

: But even if so, there are hundreds MORE of them. Let's
: see what you can do with the contradictions dealing with specific
: NAMES and NUMBERS.
:
: Remember -- If there is even so much as just ONE irrefutable

Now you change your argument. You start out by boldly claiming:
"There are MANY very REAL contradictions in the Bible. Ones that
are so clear-cut that NO one will EVER be able to explain them
away."

And now that you've been shown how "nebulous" they really are,
you change your tune to "If there's even so much as ONE .."

So after all of the supposed "contradictions" you bring up are
refuted, you'll still cling to the one not yet addressed, or that
you refuse to believe its refutation that it's supposedly a
contradiction, all in joyful hope that you can selectively
decide which parts of God's word are and are not inspired by God
and live life on your own terms, not God's, and teach others to
do the same.

1 Corinthians 1:17-29 KJVR For Christ sent me not to baptize,
but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the
cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the
preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but
unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is
written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to
nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise?
where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath
not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after
that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it
pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that
believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek
after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews
a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; 24 But unto
them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of
God, and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God
is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men
after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: 27
But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound
the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to
confound the things which are mighty; 28 And base things of the
world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and
things which are not, to bring to naught things that are: 29
That no flesh should glory in his presence.

"God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the
wise;"

The "wise" (those who are wise in their own sight but not really
wise at all when it comes to the things of God) would try to harp
on contradictions and then act like this means "only what I want
to claim is inspired is truly inspired by God, while that which I
don't want to follow of what God commands I will then just
dismiss" even though the supposed contradictions you cling to and
have been explained to you have nothing to do with the things you
dismiss.

God sees through everything, and certainly sees through our
intentions in the heart. If I was you, I'd be concerned about
your true intentions because, while you think you're hiding it
from others and yourself, and while you think your words are
fooling others or yourself, you can never fool God and He will
judge you by what's really in your heart.

1 Corinthians 4:4-5 KJVR For I know nothing by myself; yet am I
not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. 5
Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who
both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will
make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every
man have praise of God.

So waiting for you to decide:

* you can be honest and admit the one I addressed was not a
contradiction at all as was clearly explained, and we can
continue to other supposed "contradictions", or
* you can point out exactly what is wrong with what I pointed
out, and we can go from there in clarifying that supposed
contradiction

: contradiction in the Bible, then SOME of the Bible was NOT
: Divinely-inspired. And THAT makes it very likely that some passages
: (such as ones against homosexuality

and don't forget the ones against killing, which confounds your
desire to kill human life still in the womb if it would be
inconvenient to allow them to live long enough to give them up to
parents who would love him or her for life

: ) are merely injections of the
: writers' own PERSONAL bigotries!

killing of human life that would be inconvenient (to job,
lifestyle, and so on) to let live long enough to be adopted is
many time worse than bigotries you self-righteously proclaim to
be in the defense of. Sad

You're not fooling God at all, which is
the only point you need to be *extremely* wary of.

Jesus said:
Luke 12:2-5 KJVR For there is nothing covered, that shall not be
revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. 3 Therefore
whatsoever ye have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the
light; and that which ye have spoken in the ear in closets shall
be proclaimed upon the housetops. 4 And I say unto you my
friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that
have no more that they can do. 5 But I will forewarn you whom
ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to
cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

:
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: -- Craig Chilton
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:05:07 -0400,
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