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 Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Patrick Fairbairn on Gog |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:10:36 -0500, Doug <tcc@sentex.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Bear wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:22:33 -0500, Doug <tcc@sentex.net> wrote:
Ike2 wrote:
"Doug" <tcc@sentex.net> wrote in message
news:Np-dnV_K6JUE1ILUnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@sentex.net...
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Fairbairn correctly understood the time scale of the invasion by Gog and
Magog in Ezekiel 38-39. He applied it to the entire age of the church.
A caveat about Doug for those who are not familiar with him.
snip drivel
Another tactic of Doug, snip everything he has no answer for. You may |
notice that he never attempts to deny nor disprove the accusations
that I make against him. Perhaps it is because he has no rebuttal to
the evidence that I include in corroboration of my accusations, the
part that he snips.
| Quote: | It is sad to see Ted posting what seems to be the same Dispensational
spam repeatedly. Obviously he is challenged by his limited capacity for
originality. This is a trait many Dispensationalists share.
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What is sad is the deception and dishonesty practiced by Doug. He
cannot support his views using scripture so he is compelled to resort
to spending most of his efforts in an attempt to discredit any and all
who believe God was smart enough to say in His word what He meant to
say.
| Quote: | Ted appears to be "chained" to the dogma of literalism. His chains are
"chains of darkness" or ignorance. Dispensationalism requires its
followers to have a strict literalist approach to the prophecies of the
Bible. This causes them to say ridiculous things. For example, they
insert a huge gap, of thousands of years, in the 70 weeks prophecy of
Daniel 9, between the 69th and 70th weeks. There is no scriptural
support for this gap. But they accuse those who do not gullibly accept
their flawed interpretations of being deceptive, as Ted has done several
times to me.
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"huge gap, of thousands of years"
Is it not a bit cynical of Doug to ridicule those who can prove with
scripture that there is a gap of time between the events described in
Daniel 9:24-27 and on the other hand, he has no problem-expecting
people to believe the last half of Daniel's seven weeks are still
going on today. He loudly proclaims the first half is 3 ½ years
(which was in the first century) but the last half is still in
process. He has no scriptural proof of course, consequently, he must
change how the scriptures read, make them symbolic or quote a bunch of
verses from Peter, Paul and Mary that has absolutely nothing to do
with the subject.
I offer the following in my support of my statement. The quotes by
Doug are enclosed in brackets []. When upper case is used, it is for
emphasis only.
[The scripture says "in the midst of the week he shall cause the
sacrifice and the oblation to cease." THUS THE DESTRUCTION OF
JERUSALEM AND ITS TEMPLE OCCURRED IN THE MIDST OF THE 70TH WEEK, not
after it. This destroys the flawed interpretations of
Dispensationalism, that inserts a portentous gap of thousands of years
between the 69th and 70th week. They have no scriptural basis for such
a gap.]
The historical destruction was approximately 70 AD, not in the 70th
week of Daniel which says absolutely nothing about the temple being
"destroyed". That again is Doug changing the words of the verse. The
verse reads,
"…in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain
offering…"
Putting a stop to sacrifice and grain offerings does not equate to the
destruction of the temple and Jerusalem as claimed by Doug. Either
Doug cannot comprehend what he reads or, as I suspect, he changes the
text to suit his agenda, hoping no one will notice.
"and on the wing of abominations will come ONE (singular) who makes
desolate, even until A COMPLETE DESTRUCTION, ONE THAT IS DECREED, IS
POURED OUT ON THE ONE WHO MAKES DESOLATE."
The "COMPLETE DESTRUCTION" IS ON THE "ONE" WHO MAKES DESOLATE, not on
the temple or Jerusalem as Doug would have you believe.
He said earlier,
["the last half-week is symbolic of the entire time of the Church, SO
THE 70TH WEEK SPANS ALL THE TIME FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS MINISTRY TO
THE END OF THE WORLD.]
Let me see if I understand Doug's logic. The first half of Daniel's
last week is 3 ½ years and started approximately 30 AD. He claims the
temple and Jerusalem were destroyed in the "midst" of the week, 3 ½
years, but they were not destroyed until approximately 70 AD. That
has to qualify for the longest 3 ½ years on record. However, it gets
better, the last half of the week can be any amount of time needed. Is
it the opinion of a rational person that changes how scripture reads
to say anything he wants it to say but he finds it reprehensible that
some people believe God said exactly what He wanted to say?
And,
[scripture says "in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice
and the oblation to cease." Thus the destruction of Jerusalem and its
temple occurred in the midst of the 70th week, not after it."so the
70th week spans all the time from the beginning of his ministry to the
end of the world.]
My rebuttal, with scripture and a Bible dictionary, to Doug's
unsupported assertions.
"in the midst"
half, middle - the Hebrew word is "chetsiy" half, i.e., a part or
portion of something, or length, constituting fifty percent (Ex 24:6);
2. middle, midst, i.e., a position in the center of an area (Jos
10:13); 3. middle, i.e., the half way point of a period of time (Da
9:27) Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains :
Hebrew
So, if we take the word of the Bible dictionary rather than Doug's
word, we find "WEEK" (HEPTAD) IS EQUAL TO SEVEN YEARS and "MIDST"
(CHETSIY) DEFINES THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING. But Doug would have us
believe that the last half of seven years is actually unlimited. Does
this make sense to any one other than Doug?
He ridicules those who believe what the Bible says about there being a
"time gap" between events (not time itself) prophesied and yet he has
no difficulty expecting us to believe that the last half of a
seven-year period is unlimited. Unbelievable!
| Quote: | The fruits of Dispensationalism are evil. Ted has posted some articles
supporting Dispensationalism by Chuck Missler, a bible teacher he
admires. At the Chuck Missler site, you can pay $25 per month to get
access to his teachings. Or, $250 will provide access for a year. Chuck
also sells "scholarships," at $200 for "bronze," $1000 for "silver,"
$2000 for "gold," and $5000 can get you a "Lifetime" one. Now, maybe Ted
has paid for one of Chuck's "scholarships," and so he feels he should be
able to defend whatever it was he was taught.
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"Ted has posted some articles supporting Dispensationalism by Chuck
Missler"
Just one more example of Doug's total lack of accuracy and dishonesty.
He is real free with accusations but infrequently, if ever, offers any
proof of those accusations.
Can you prove you are honest and can be trusted Doug, show us where I
have "posted some articles supporting Dispensationalism by Chuck
Missler"? If you cannot, then you are intentionally being dishonest.
Did Peter, or perhaps it was Paul that gave you the prices on
Missler's site? It certainly was not khouse, unless that is, you are
changing that the same way you change scripture.
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I do not think Doug would recognize truth if Jesus Himself would
physically appear and give it to him.
Besides, what difference does the price of materials make? Do you
think people have unlimited resources and can produce their products
without incurring cost?
Why did you not mention the Jack Kelley site if cost is such an
important issue for you? All of his materials are free, no cost. He
depends on donations from people that appreciate his site and his
rational and logical interpretation of scripture.
| Quote: | But look at what Ted posts! The same wretched stupidity, over and over!
So, Ted, do you think anyone is dumb enough to actually read your drivel?
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Yep, that is if they are also "dumb enough" to believe the fantasies
you spew. So far though, I have not seen anyone on this site that
agrees with you, so I guess that means they are not "dumb" after all.
If it is drivel, why not prove my accusations are false?
| Quote: | Was your investment in Chuck's stuff worth it? Ha ha!
From what you post, I think you need to negotiate a refund!
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And from what you post Doug, I would suggest a remedial reading class
in addition to some serious prayer time about your dishonesty and
deception.
| Quote: | 2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The
Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name
of Christ depart from iniquity.
One of the proverbs refers to a "highway of the upright."
Proverbs 16:17
The highway of the upright is to depart from evil: he that keepeth his
way preserveth his soul.
This is the "highway" John the Baptist preached about, from the prophet
Isaiah.
Isaiah 40:3
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of
the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
It's time to abandon Dispensationalism, Ted!
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You may label it what ever you wish but I choose to believe God is
quite capable of putting into words what He means and not what you
think He should have said.
| Quote: | Try reading Fairbairn, it is far superior, and its free!
http://vinyl2.sentex.ca/~tcc/OP/Fairbairn.html
Fairbairn described the final outcome; Christ and his saints will
prevail in the end.
Fairbairn showed how ridiculous the literalist interpretation of
Ezekiel's prophecy is. A literalist approach is even less credible
today, as horses have been largely replaced by mechanical means of
transport in modern warfare.
Perhaps the horses mentioned in Ezekiel's prophecy correspond to the
horses in Joel's prophecy about the locusts; the locusts are also
invaders, who devastate the land of Israel during the day of the Lord.
The locusts seek to enter in at the windows like a thief; Jesus said
those who do not enter the sheepfold through the door are thieves and
robbers. They need to enter at the door, which is Christ. (John 10)
In Joel's prophecy, the locusts make lots of noise, like the noise of
chariots. In the Psalms, horses are identified with those who lack
understanding:
Psalm 32:9
Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding:
whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near
unto thee.
Fairbairn related the invasion by Gog and Magog and their armies to
God's "controversy" with "all nations" described in Isaiah 34, and to
the Lord's battle in the valley of Jehoshaphat, or the valley of
decision, in Joel 3:12, 14, and to the battle at Jerusalem in Zechariah
14, and to the armies of Gog and Magog who "encompass the camp of the
saints, and the beloved city" in Revelation 20:7-9. All these prophecies
describe how the purpose of God is working out in the earth today.
In Isaiah's prophecy, the "slain" of the nations whose "stink comes up"
applies to the those churchmen who supported the pagan cosmology of the
Greeks, and the flawed opinions of Aristotle and Ptolemy. Isaiah said
"the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll" which describes the
scientific revolution in astronomy; the perceived revolutions of the
heavens ceased, like the spindles of a scroll when they meet; no further
rotation was possible. The diurnal rotation was assigned to the earth
instead.
Isaiah 34:4
And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be
rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the
leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
The heavenly bodies falling like figs refers to the law of universal
gravitation, discovered by Sir Isaac Newton. Newton said the heavenly
bodies fall like apples, Isaiah said they fall like figs.
In Ezekiel's prophecy, the armies of Gog and Magog seek to "take a
spoil" from God's people. They try to profit from religion. In
Zechariah's prophecy, the houses are looted and the women are ravished
by the invaders. This corresponds to the seduction of believers by false
teachers described by Paul in 2 Cor 11.
Also in Zechariah 14, the Mount of Olives being cleaved in the midst,
and half of it moving towards the north, and half of it moving towards
the south, pictures the two flawed interpretations of the Olivet
Discourse of Jesus, Preterism and Dispensationalism. The prophecy
identifies them as enemies of Christ.
Building on the conclusions of Fairbairn, we can identify the 7 years
for which the weapons of Gog and Magog are burned with the final "7
times" of prophecy, and with the 70th week of Daniel 9:24-27, the "week"
in which Christ confirms his covenant with his saints. The 7 months that
the remains of the invaders are buried is also "7 times." In Daniel's 70
weeks, the final week when Christ confirms his covenant spans the entire
age of the church. |
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Doug
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: Re: Patrick Fairbairn on Gog |
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Bear wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:10:36 -0500, Doug <tcc@sentex.net> wrote:
Bear wrote:
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 11:22:33 -0500, Doug <tcc@sentex.net> wrote:
Ike2 wrote:
"Doug" <tcc@sentex.net> wrote in message
news:Np-dnV_K6JUE1ILUnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d@sentex.net...
snip
Fairbairn correctly understood the time scale of the invasion by Gog and
Magog in Ezekiel 38-39. He applied it to the entire age of the church.
A caveat about Doug for those who are not familiar with him.
snip drivel
Another tactic of Doug, snip everything he has no answer for. You may
notice that he never attempts to deny nor disprove the accusations
that I make against him. Perhaps it is because he has no rebuttal to
the evidence that I include in corroboration of my accusations, the
part that he snips.
It is sad to see Ted posting what seems to be the same Dispensational
spam repeatedly. Obviously he is challenged by his limited capacity for
originality. This is a trait many Dispensationalists share.
What is sad is the deception and dishonesty practiced by Doug. He
cannot support his views using scripture so he is compelled to resort
to spending most of his efforts in an attempt to discredit any and all
who believe God was smart enough to say in His word what He meant to
say.
Ted appears to be "chained" to the dogma of literalism. His chains are
"chains of darkness" or ignorance. Dispensationalism requires its
followers to have a strict literalist approach to the prophecies of the
Bible. This causes them to say ridiculous things. For example, they
insert a huge gap, of thousands of years, in the 70 weeks prophecy of
Daniel 9, between the 69th and 70th weeks. There is no scriptural
support for this gap. But they accuse those who do not gullibly accept
their flawed interpretations of being deceptive, as Ted has done several
times to me.
"huge gap, of thousands of years"
Is it not a bit cynical of Doug to ridicule those who can prove with
scripture that there is a gap of time between the events described in
Daniel 9:24-27 and on the other hand, he has no problem-expecting
people to believe the last half of Daniel's seven weeks are still
going on today. He loudly proclaims the first half is 3 ½ years
(which was in the first century) but the last half is still in
process. He has no scriptural proof of course, consequently, he must
change how the scriptures read, make them symbolic or quote a bunch of
verses from Peter, Paul and Mary that has absolutely nothing to do
with the subject.
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The notion of a gap between the 69th and 70th week was devised by J.N.
Darby. It is not supported in scripture. It seems to me that the three
sections of the 70 weeks correspond to the last three "7 times" of the
curse in Lev 26. Daniel refers to the curse being poured out in Daniel
9:11. That would be the first period of "7 times," and there were three
more remaining. There can be no gaps in the curse, so there are no gaps
in the 70 weeks. Any gap in the curse would require that Israel was
temporarily reconciled to God, but that has not happened. God is not
interested in "temporary" reconciliations!
| Quote: |
I offer the following in my support of my statement. The quotes by
Doug are enclosed in brackets []. When upper case is used, it is for
emphasis only.
[The scripture says "in the midst of the week he shall cause the
sacrifice and the oblation to cease." THUS THE DESTRUCTION OF
JERUSALEM AND ITS TEMPLE OCCURRED IN THE MIDST OF THE 70TH WEEK, not
after it. This destroys the flawed interpretations of
Dispensationalism, that inserts a portentous gap of thousands of years
between the 69th and 70th week. They have no scriptural basis for such
a gap.]
The historical destruction was approximately 70 AD, not in the 70th
week of Daniel which says absolutely nothing about the temple being
"destroyed". That again is Doug changing the words of the verse. The
verse reads,
"…in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain
offering…"
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The destruction of the temple was the direct means of ending the
sacrifices and offering under the Mosaic system. Both occurred at the
same time, about 70 AD, "in the midst" of the 70th week. This is a
problem for Dispensationalism. They want to insert a "gap" between the
69th and 70th week, which is simply not there.
Daniel's prophecy points to the coming of the Messiah at the end of the
69th week, followed by his crucifixion, the destruction of the city and
temple, and removal of sacrifices and the temple service in the midst of
the 70th week. The 70th week is the week in which Christ confirms his
covenant with many. It began at the end of the 69th week, when Christ
began his ministry. The great work of "confirming the covenant"
continues today, as the gospel still goes to the world, and Christ still
fulfills his promises to his saints.
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Putting a stop to sacrifice and grain offerings does not equate to the
destruction of the temple and Jerusalem as claimed by Doug.
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Not what I said. But the end of sacrifices does coincide with the
destruction of the temple by the Romans in 70 AD.
| Quote: | Either
Doug cannot comprehend what he reads or, as I suspect, he changes the
text to suit his agenda, hoping no one will notice.
"and on the wing of abominations will come ONE (singular) who makes
desolate, even until A COMPLETE DESTRUCTION, ONE THAT IS DECREED, IS
POURED OUT ON THE ONE WHO MAKES DESOLATE."
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It is the Church that is made desolate, by false teachers, and an
invasion by those who are spiritually "Gentiles," the great armies of
Gog and Magog described in Ezekiel 38. That began in the days of the
apostles, as John said there were "many antichrists" in his day.
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that
antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we
know that it is the last time.
Daniel's prophecy says that the one who causes desolation will be
destroyed. That includes all of the heathen invaders, every false
teaching, everything that "offends."
Matthew 13:40-42
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it
be in the end of this world.
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of
his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and
gnashing of teeth.
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The "COMPLETE DESTRUCTION" IS ON THE "ONE" WHO MAKES DESOLATE, not on
the temple or Jerusalem as Doug would have you believe.
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Yes it is the one who makes desolate who is destroyed. Dispensationalism
included!
| Quote: |
He said earlier,
["the last half-week is symbolic of the entire time of the Church, SO
THE 70TH WEEK SPANS ALL THE TIME FROM THE BEGINNING OF HIS MINISTRY TO
THE END OF THE WORLD.]
Let me see if I understand Doug's logic. The first half of Daniel's
last week is 3 ½ years and started approximately 30 AD. He claims the
temple and Jerusalem were destroyed in the "midst" of the week, 3 ½
years, but they were not destroyed until approximately 70 AD. That
has to qualify for the longest 3 ½ years on record. However, it gets
better, the last half of the week can be any amount of time needed. Is
it the opinion of a rational person that changes how scripture reads
to say anything he wants it to say but he finds it reprehensible that
some people believe God said exactly what He wanted to say?
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Well, if you have trouble with that, you may be one of those who
"stumble" at the word of God.
Isaiah 28:9-11
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand
doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line,
line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
Dispensationalists foolishly ignore this principle given by Isaiah,
touting their own "method," so who can be surprised that they "stumble"
at the word, and fail to understand it?
Isaiah 28:13
But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept
upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a
little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and
snared, and taken.
| Quote: |
And,
[scripture says "in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice
and the oblation to cease." Thus the destruction of Jerusalem and its
temple occurred in the midst of the 70th week, not after it."so the
70th week spans all the time from the beginning of his ministry to the
end of the world.]
My rebuttal, with scripture and a Bible dictionary, to Doug's
unsupported assertions.
"in the midst"
half, middle - the Hebrew word is "chetsiy" half, i.e., a part or
portion of something, or length, constituting fifty percent (Ex 24:6);
2. middle, midst, i.e., a position in the center of an area (Jos
10:13); 3. middle, i.e., the half way point of a period of time (Da
9:27) Dictionary of Biblical Languages with Semantic Domains :
Hebrew
So, if we take the word of the Bible dictionary rather than Doug's
word, we find "WEEK" (HEPTAD) IS EQUAL TO SEVEN YEARS and "MIDST"
(CHETSIY) DEFINES THE MIDDLE OF SOMETHING. But Doug would have us
believe that the last half of seven years is actually unlimited. Does
this make sense to any one other than Doug?
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I don't say it is "unlimited." I say is is "symbolic." It is the symbol
of the age of the Church, which Dispensationalists say is missing in
Bible prophecy. They claim the Church age is a "parenthesis" nowhere
mentioned in OT prophecy. But they missed the symbolic nature of the
"time, times and a half" and its numeric equivalents, 1,290 days, 1,335
days, 1,260 days, 42 months etc. All refer to a symbolic period, not a
literal one. How can a literal period of three and a half years have
different numbers of days? A symbolic three and a half years can have
different values, though. And none of the numbers of days work out to a
literal three and a half years. But Dispensationalists missed this! They
are stuck with their false interpretation, a hideous mistake!
| Quote: |
He ridicules those who believe what the Bible says
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Not true. The Bible does not say "insert a gap between the 69th and 70th
week." J.N. Darby said that. It is ridiculous!
| Quote: | about there being a
"time gap" between events (not time itself) prophesied and yet he has
no difficulty expecting us to believe that the last half of a
seven-year period is unlimited. Unbelievable!
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No, I don't claim it is unlimited. I never said that. But, the
Dispensationist idea of a "gap" and a future three and ahalf year reign
of a human "antichrist" is a fulfillment of the prophecy of the little
horn, who has "eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great
things." (Daniel 7: Jesuit Francisco Ribera proposed a future three
and a half year reign of antichrist, to counter the Reformers, who
identified the papacy with antichrist.
| Quote: |
The fruits of Dispensationalism are evil. Ted has posted some articles
supporting Dispensationalism by Chuck Missler, a bible teacher he
admires. At the Chuck Missler site, you can pay $25 per month to get
access to his teachings. Or, $250 will provide access for a year. Chuck
also sells "scholarships," at $200 for "bronze," $1000 for "silver,"
$2000 for "gold," and $5000 can get you a "Lifetime" one. Now, maybe Ted
has paid for one of Chuck's "scholarships," and so he feels he should be
able to defend whatever it was he was taught.
"Ted has posted some articles supporting Dispensationalism by Chuck
Missler"
Just one more example of Doug's total lack of accuracy and dishonesty.
He is real free with accusations but infrequently, if ever, offers any
proof of those accusations.
Can you prove you are honest and can be trusted Doug, show us where I
have "posted some articles supporting Dispensationalism by Chuck
Missler"? If you cannot, then you are intentionally being dishonest.
Did Peter, or perhaps it was Paul that gave you the prices on
Missler's site? It certainly was not khouse, unless that is, you are
changing that the same way you change scripture.
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http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.bible.prophecy/msg/201b885913477fd5?hl=en
--------<begin quote>----------
Gabriel's Zinger
It is recorded in the Scriptures that Daniel (originally deported as a
teenager, though now near the end of the Babylonian captivity) was
reading in the Book of Jeremiah and made a discovery. He understood
that the seventy years of servitude were almost over and he began to
pray for his people. The Angel Gabriel interrupted Daniel's prayer and
gave him a four-verse prophecy that is unquestionably the most
remarkable passage in the entire Bible: Daniel 9:24-27.
These four verses include the following segments:
9:24 The Scope of the Entire Prophecy;
9:25 The 69 Weeks;
9:26 An Interval between the 69th and 70th Week;
9:27 The 70th Week.
--------<end quote>----------
The above by Chuck Missler is misleading as there is no "interval"
between the 69th and 70th week. Missler is apparently quite a gullible
fellow who has been deceived by other misguided Dispensationalists.
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You can find his prices for various "packages" here.
http://www.studycenter.com/account/subscriptions_available
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I do not think Doug would recognize truth if Jesus Himself would
physically appear and give it to him.
Besides, what difference does the price of materials make? Do you
think people have unlimited resources and can produce their products
without incurring cost?
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Can you imagine the apostle Peter saying to people, "send me $7.95, and
I will tell you what the gospel is all about. I learned it from Jesus!"
In fact, what did he say to Simon the Samaritan who offered him money?
Acts 8:20-21
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast
thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not
right in the sight of God.
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Why did you not mention the Jack Kelley site if cost is such an
important issue for you? All of his materials are free, no cost. He
depends on donations from people that appreciate his site and his
rational and logical interpretation of scripture.
But look at what Ted posts! The same wretched stupidity, over and over!
So, Ted, do you think anyone is dumb enough to actually read your drivel?
Yep, that is if they are also "dumb enough" to believe the fantasies
you spew. So far though, I have not seen anyone on this site that
agrees with you, so I guess that means they are not "dumb" after all.
If it is drivel, why not prove my accusations are false?
Was your investment in Chuck's stuff worth it? Ha ha!
From what you post, I think you need to negotiate a refund!
And from what you post Doug, I would suggest a remedial reading class
in addition to some serious prayer time about your dishonesty and
deception.
2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The
Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name
of Christ depart from iniquity.
One of the proverbs refers to a "highway of the upright."
Proverbs 16:17
The highway of the upright is to depart from evil: he that keepeth his
way preserveth his soul.
This is the "highway" John the Baptist preached about, from the prophet
Isaiah.
Isaiah 40:3
The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of
the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God.
It's time to abandon Dispensationalism, Ted!
You may label it what ever you wish but I choose to believe God is
quite capable of putting into words what He means and not what you
think He should have said.
Try reading Fairbairn, it is far superior, and its free!
http://vinyl2.sentex.ca/~tcc/OP/Fairbairn.html
Fairbairn described the final outcome; Christ and his saints will
prevail in the end.
Fairbairn showed how ridiculous the literalist interpretation of
Ezekiel's prophecy is. A literalist approach is even less credible
today, as horses have been largely replaced by mechanical means of
transport in modern warfare.
Perhaps the horses mentioned in Ezekiel's prophecy correspond to the
horses in Joel's prophecy about the locusts; the locusts are also
invaders, who devastate the land of Israel during the day of the Lord.
The locusts seek to enter in at the windows like a thief; Jesus said
those who do not enter the sheepfold through the door are thieves and
robbers. They need to enter at the door, which is Christ. (John 10)
In Joel's prophecy, the locusts make lots of noise, like the noise of
chariots. In the Psalms, horses are identified with those who lack
understanding:
Psalm 32:9
Be ye not as the horse, or as the mule, which have no understanding:
whose mouth must be held in with bit and bridle, lest they come near
unto thee.
Fairbairn related the invasion by Gog and Magog and their armies to
God's "controversy" with "all nations" described in Isaiah 34, and to
the Lord's battle in the valley of Jehoshaphat, or the valley of
decision, in Joel 3:12, 14, and to the battle at Jerusalem in Zechariah
14, and to the armies of Gog and Magog who "encompass the camp of the
saints, and the beloved city" in Revelation 20:7-9. All these prophecies
describe how the purpose of God is working out in the earth today.
In Isaiah's prophecy, the "slain" of the nations whose "stink comes up"
applies to the those churchmen who supported the pagan cosmology of the
Greeks, and the flawed opinions of Aristotle and Ptolemy. Isaiah said
"the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll" which describes the
scientific revolution in astronomy; the perceived revolutions of the
heavens ceased, like the spindles of a scroll when they meet; no further
rotation was possible. The diurnal rotation was assigned to the earth
instead.
Isaiah 34:4
And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be
rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the
leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.
The heavenly bodies falling like figs refers to the law of universal
gravitation, discovered by Sir Isaac Newton. Newton said the heavenly
bodies fall like apples, Isaiah said they fall like figs.
In Ezekiel's prophecy, the armies of Gog and Magog seek to "take a
spoil" from God's people. They try to profit from religion. In
Zechariah's prophecy, the houses are looted and the women are ravished
by the invaders. This corresponds to the seduction of believers by false
teachers described by Paul in 2 Cor 11.
Also in Zechariah 14, the Mount of Olives being cleaved in the midst,
and half of it moving towards the north, and half of it moving towards
the south, pictures the two flawed interpretations of the Olivet
Discourse of Jesus, Preterism and Dispensationalism. The prophecy
identifies them as enemies of Christ.
Building on the conclusions of Fairbairn, we can identify the 7 years
for which the weapons of Gog and Magog are burned with the final "7
times" of prophecy, and with the 70th week of Daniel 9:24-27, the "week"
in which Christ confirms his covenant with his saints. The 7 months that
the remains of the invaders are buried is also "7 times." In Daniel's 70
weeks, the final week when Christ confirms his covenant spans the entire
age of the church.
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