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Lupo LeBoucher
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 Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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In article <3f311651$0$97198$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk>,
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| Quote: | "Kevin Filan" <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
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I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney was
a
"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out...
Both Ygraine and William Gidney have referred to his violent behavior in
terms of who he would beat up if he had the chance. Add to this that beaten
wives tend to find another wife-beater when they finally separate themselves
from their ex-husbands. This has been mentioned before on this newsgroup. I
think I once commented on Will Gidney's motives for using Ygraine's daughter
as naked altar female, but I wasn't able to find anything on Google.
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Um, that comes as news to me. That's downright creepy, assuming it is
not simply a product of your fervid imagination.
-Lupo
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:34 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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"Neskoreni" <neskoreni@netscape.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Both Ygraine and William Gidney have referred to his violent behavior in
terms of who he would beat up if he had the chance. Add to this that
beaten
wives tend to find another wife-beater when they finally separate
themselves
from their ex-husbands. This has been mentioned before on this
newsgroup.
I
think I once commented on Will Gidney's motives for using Ygraine's
daughter
as naked altar female, but I wasn't able to find anything on Google.
How old was the daughter?
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I'm not sure, but probably legal. I remember seeing the picture on their
homepage.
| Quote: | You would have to be able to prove this, btw. It implies additional
culpability.
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I can't prove it, as I can't find any such statement from me anywhere on the
Googlified news. Ygraine's and William Gidney's statements as to what he'd
do to people should be possible to locate, though.
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Neskoreni
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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"- wolf -" <wolf@nospam-blazingangles.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | "Neskoreni" <neskoreni@netscape.net> wrote in message
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Both Ygraine and William Gidney have referred to his violent behavior
in
terms of who he would beat up if he had the chance. Add to this that
beaten
wives tend to find another wife-beater when they finally separate
themselves
from their ex-husbands. This has been mentioned before on this
newsgroup.
I
think I once commented on Will Gidney's motives for using Ygraine's
daughter
as naked altar female, but I wasn't able to find anything on Google.
How old was the daughter?
I'm not sure, but probably legal. I remember seeing the picture on their
homepage.
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Kind of creepy, but I think it would be her choice.
| Quote: | You would have to be able to prove this, btw. It implies additional
culpability.
I can't prove it, as I can't find any such statement from me anywhere on
the
Googlified news. Ygraine's and William Gidney's statements as to what he'd
do to people should be possible to locate, though.
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I remember his temper. It was over the top. I could not have guessed this,
tho.
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People's Commissar
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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Cough. (Listen up Lil Orphan).
Ole,
No one is that intuitive; is that what they are saying? And Lil
Orphan is falling for it? HA!! These people need to get out of the
magicks - and stay out.
No one could have known? What? WHAT? Bullshit!!!
How did YOU know? How did *I* know? We knew that X was suicidal and
crazy, too. And so forth. I even said it on here - my flames are
still viewable, the ones where I called her an abuse victim? All of
it, to the freaking letter, BULL'S EYE.
um.. I seem to recall that you, Vad, and the Danish gang, Kaiden and
his Lylyth gang, Bren and some of his gang remaining then, me and our
crowd here, and well, quite a lot of people that have washed their
hands of what we kinda now call SATAN POO, were easily able to see
clear through these "elite in-gangers" and well, heh. Did we say it
or not? We said it. We ALL said it. And we all managed to see
through all of this, almost to the letter, from long-distance, over an
internet from very small amounts of exposure to them. We called it
pretty much on the money - only we all kinda understated it. But we
called it. We INTUITED it right. You said it - not in a post that I
ever saw. You said it IN AN EMAIL. No, I don't have it. I said
similar about will-less abuse victims and psycho suicidals right
here, in flame wars. The lady probably hated my freaking guts because
heh, I don't take no khkhkhkh ptewey from anyone. I'd sooner slit
their throat and make them eat dogshit. Maybe what I said, heh heh,
HIT HOME too close for smiles. So they hated me while
they called me "beloved Magistra" AH PUKE.
Gilmore, and Filan here (defending them after both Aquino and Egan
were flamed repeatedly as GUILTY in a COS elite form of libel),....
Gilmore and Filan were up close and personally friendly with these
people. They hung out and partied together. They were, by both
party's accounts, CLOSE FRIENDS and for a LONG TIME.
You'd have to be DEAD not to be able to psyche this shit out. We did
it long-distance when we were kinda polite with these people over the
internet. What's their god damned excuse for NOT psyching it out?
They have none.
Look at them all haw haw now. I don't see them calling anyone a child
fucker anymore. Do you? I don't see their gung ho against Egan for
hosting Nambla info. Do you?
And so. THE EXCUSE FAILS. Anyone falls for it is a FOOLE, a dupe, a
sucker. Or a True Believer in the making.
Whatever. This is the BIG BAD that has happened here. All dredging
up of libelous bs or old info on here is only going to BACKFIRE on
them more. Get it?  It will ALL backfire. All of it. IS
backfiring. They went so far out of their way to fuck with everyone
else. Heh heh.
"- wolf -" <wolf@nospam-blazingangles.com> wrote in message news:3f311651$0$97198$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
| Quote: | "Kevin Filan" <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
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I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney was
a
"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out...
Both Ygraine and William Gidney have referred to his violent behavior in
terms of who he would beat up if he had the chance. Add to this that beaten
wives tend to find another wife-beater when they finally separate themselves
from their ex-husbands. This has been mentioned before on this newsgroup. I
think I once commented on Will Gidney's motives for using Ygraine's daughter
as naked altar female, but I wasn't able to find anything on Google.
- wolf -
"- wolf -" <wolf@nospam-blazingangles.com> wrote in message news:<3f311651$0$97198$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk>...
"Kevin Filan" <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
news:BB546DA2.2CAE1%mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com...
I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney was
a
"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out...
Both Ygraine and William Gidney have referred to his violent behavior in
terms of who he would beat up if he had the chance. Add to this that beaten
wives tend to find another wife-beater when they finally separate themselves
from their ex-husbands. This has been mentioned before on this newsgroup. I
think I once commented on Will Gidney's motives for using Ygraine's daughter
as naked altar female, but I wasn't able to find anything on Google.
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People's Commissar
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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Additional culpa....
Jason, at least in THIS county, if a father or step father was ever
even close to being accused of that kind of crime, or if was on record
an abusive bastard, the courts here would take the kids away from the
mother and declare her UNFIT. That's how it works here.
Culpability? Where the hell ... nevermind.
THINK: Poster girl for the next book about Satanic Ritual Abuse.
Whatever. Do you care? It's just the unmitigated GALL of the woman,
playing Big Momma and giving out her SHITTY, cum-breathed advice,
especially to other women - yeah, like the drunken shithead on the
street, speaking in a drooling slur "ya shouldn't drink." Right.
It's almost a JOKE.
She's the next poster girl for a book on SRA - or she could be the
"prototypical khkhkh ptewey woman" on my article on .....he he he he
BJ CULTURE. Bwhahaha. I just had to.
I can't freaking STAND these people - not because of WHAT they are,
but because they went far and long out of their god damned way to try
to hurt me when I did NOTHING to them.
Screw this tired satan POO topic.
Bush wants to heh, inspect IRAN now. I'm still waiting for Putin or
someone to demand inspections in Israel. I'm waiting. Not waiting
long, tho. It will never happen.
"Neskoreni" <neskoreni@netscape.net> wrote in message news:<fXaYa.13840$W%3.12829@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
| Quote: | "- wolf -" <wolf@nospam-blazingangles.com> wrote in message
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"Kevin Filan" <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
news:BB546DA2.2CAE1%mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com...
I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney
was
a
"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out...
Both Ygraine and William Gidney have referred to his violent behavior in
terms of who he would beat up if he had the chance. Add to this that
beaten
wives tend to find another wife-beater when they finally separate
themselves
from their ex-husbands. This has been mentioned before on this newsgroup.
I
think I once commented on Will Gidney's motives for using Ygraine's
daughter
as naked altar female, but I wasn't able to find anything on Google.
How old was the daughter?
You would have to be able to prove this, btw. It implies additional
culpability.
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Neskoreni
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 4:59 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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"People's Commissar" <satanicreds@www.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Additional culpa....
Jason, at least in THIS county, if a father or step father was ever
even close to being accused of that kind of crime, or if was on record
an abusive bastard, the courts here would take the kids away from the
mother and declare her UNFIT. That's how it works here.
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I would hope so. It is bad enough she enabled a child molester for 11 years.
If he laid one hand on those kids, they should be taken away.
No fit mother would put her kids at the whims of a wifebeating pedophile for
11 fucking years.
It amazes me to see that they are still defending this.
| Quote: | Culpability? Where the hell ... nevermind.
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Low functioning human beings who thought they were some sort of an elite.
This is a degeneracy beneath all others.
The reason I cannot take anything as a joke from those degenerates is the
absolute loathing and rage their very existence causes me.
It was supposed to be a life affirming philosophy. Now, it will be known for
the sickest shit these garbage people can inflict upon one another.
I want a brawl, but I'd end up getting a restraining order. They are just
too low functioning for words.
| Quote: | THINK: Poster girl for the next book about Satanic Ritual Abuse.
Whatever. Do you care? It's just the unmitigated GALL of the woman,
playing Big Momma and giving out her SHITTY, cum-breathed advice,
especially to other women - yeah, like the drunken shithead on the
street, speaking in a drooling slur "ya shouldn't drink." Right.
It's almost a JOKE.
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Their audacity was disguisting. To have these existential jokes even
speaking in public is embarassing.
Fuck them.
At any rate, this needs to be my last word on this. It is too disguisting.
Everyone they've fucked with is projectile vomitting over these revelations.
This just doesn't happen to real people.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2003 6:11 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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As far as Israel, Putin doesn't have the power to get them to do anything.
It is amazing he's kept them #2, but the US is only voice now.
I'd rather they moved the "Palestinian" arabs across the river then disarm
Israel and get them to shut the fuck up about other "jewish issues".
Jordan is the Palestinian Arab state. They just have a punk monarchy.
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Kevin Filan
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 5:23 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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On 8/6/03 2:15 PM, in article 0BbYa.13853$W%3.10569@nwrdny01.gnilink.net,
"Neskoreni" <neskoreni@netscape.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Being a Satanist doesn't make you infallible. In fact, one of the first
things any smart Satanist should do is acknowledge that s/he is human and
therefore prone to error and misjudgment. Then s/he should make efforts
to
minimize those foulups and, when they happen, admit honestly "I was
wrong."
True.
I don't think it will affect your organization over the long run, in
fairness.
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In 1975 Mikey and his Twelve Apostles left the CoS, and declared the Church
of Satan dead. In 1990 LaVey declared bankruptcy, and a whole bunch of
people declared the CoS dead and "legally dissolved." In 1997 LaVey died,
and people declared that the Church of Satan was going to collapse any day
now. Now in 2003 we're supposedly at Death's Door yet again. I hope you'll
forgive me if I don't run out and buy flowers just yet.
What's really funny is watching the sadsacks and misfits who figure that
this whole incident means people are going to start taking them seriously.
Peter Gilmore, Blanche Barton and Peggy Nadramia could all find Jesus ...
and it wouldn't make a damned bit of difference for the Blackwoods and Ginos
of the world. Nobody is going to take them seriously anyway. The Church of
Satan isn't blocking their way: their own utter lack of ability and
intelligence is blocking their way.
Six years after LaVey's demise the Church of Satan continues to function as
a viable entity: it certainly has a far higher public profile than any other
"Satanic" organization out there. The "Satanic Reds" won't last six days
after the Lehigh Acres Sheriff's Department breaks down the door on
Jantsang's vinyl-sided yurt and finds her corpse mouldering in a puddle of
Kahlua-scented vomit. Hell, Egan's FCoS didn't even survive his FAKE death,
never mind his real one. The rest of the "Satanic organizations" out there
wouldn't even survive Geoshitties going belly-up, never mind their founders.
| Quote: | Will's many online enemies, who had every reason to assume the worst about
the guy. Perhaps you have some $0093r 3133+ pedophile/wifebeater radar
which will allow you to make infallible judgments in matters like this
before they come to light. Us mere mortals (even us elite mere mortals)
have to work on what we see... and act accordingly when unexpected facts
come to light.
It took me approximately 3-5 minutes to determine William had problems.
Babbling about Jackie Kennedy's proximity to him was a dead giveaway.
He was polite the few times I talked to him, however. We both had an
interest in GE Rasputin and limited the conversations to this subject.
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I never heard Will say anything about Jackie Kennedy. Nor did I ever see
any signs that he was a wifebeater or a pedophile. This could mean that I
missed something. It could also mean that wifebeaters and pedophiles come in
all different shapes, sizes, and behavior patterns, and that looking for a
stereotype will be more misleading than helpful.
| Quote: | You will pay a price for allowing the rest of that ilk to remain, but noone
out here can make you see that until it happens.
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If you have any evidence that ANYONE in the Church of Satan is involved in
pedophilia or any other crime, bring it to law enforcement's attention.
Getting deviants off the street -- never mind off our membership rolls -- is
well worth the momentary embarrassment. Because, frankly, that's all this
is going to be. Ten years from now, people will be comparing the way we
handled this situation with the way the Boston Diocese handled a far worse
problem ... and judging us favorably.
For that matter, perhaps Herr Scratch remembers the way the Church of All
Worlds dealt with a pedophile in their midst circa 1996 or thereabouts?
That provided plenty of heated discussion on alt.pagan... mainly because CAW
handled it so piss-poorly.
| Quote: | It gives me great satisfaction to watch the demise of yet another who
imposed on me and mine. I am certain there will be more to come.
I'm sure you'll be hearing be hearing Gidney jokes for years, tho.
You set the standard with the Presidio incident.
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The way you handle those jokes is the same way I'm handling the situation
right now. You say, "We goofed, when we found out we goofed, we did what we
could to rectify the situation." You don't create a dozen sock puppet
accounts who are "not CoS members" but who just happen to have an
impassioned and obsessive interest in defending the Church of Satan. Nor do
you try to minimize what happened, or blame the victims, or pretend this is
all a hoax set in motion by a bunch of "FUNDAMENTALIST PEDOPHILES TRYING TO
RIDE THE MONEY TRAIN."
Shit happens. You can either wipe your shoes and move on, or you can choose
to wallow in it in some desperate effort to "clear your name." I think Door
#1 is the best choice. And the people who will be telling the Gidney jokes
really have no power to do us harm. Those who will join the CoS will join:
those who won't won't. I doubt that anyone is going to say, "I was going to
join the Church of Satan, but since the Gidney incident I want nothing to do
with them."
If you want a club to beat us with, the Gidney affair is as good as any.
Before that it was the LaVey bankruptcy; I'm sure that before it's all over
there will be something else that the jackals will be waving around, trying
desperately to prove that the CoS is now on its last legs and their moment
of glory is just over the horizon. They're like some no-talent lounge
singer crooning in Podunk, rejoicing because now Frank Sinatra is dead and
they'll be singing with Tony Bennett Any Day Now.
Peace
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Neskoreni
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2003 6:47 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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"Kevin Filan" <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
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"Neskoreni" <neskoreni@netscape.net> wrote:
Being a Satanist doesn't make you infallible. In fact, one of the
first
things any smart Satanist should do is acknowledge that s/he is human
and
therefore prone to error and misjudgment. Then s/he should make
efforts
to
minimize those foulups and, when they happen, admit honestly "I was
wrong."
True.
I don't think it will affect your organization over the long run, in
fairness.
In 1975 Mikey and his Twelve Apostles left the CoS, and declared the
Church
of Satan dead. In 1990 LaVey declared bankruptcy, and a whole bunch of
people declared the CoS dead and "legally dissolved." In 1997 LaVey died,
and people declared that the Church of Satan was going to collapse any day
now. Now in 2003 we're supposedly at Death's Door yet again. I hope
you'll
forgive me if I don't run out and buy flowers just yet.
What's really funny is watching the sadsacks and misfits who figure that
this whole incident means people are going to start taking them seriously.
Peter Gilmore, Blanche Barton and Peggy Nadramia could all find Jesus ...
and it wouldn't make a damned bit of difference for the Blackwoods and
Ginos
of the world. Nobody is going to take them seriously anyway. The Church
of
Satan isn't blocking their way: their own utter lack of ability and
intelligence is blocking their way.
Six years after LaVey's demise the Church of Satan continues to function
as
a viable entity: it certainly has a far higher public profile than any
other
"Satanic" organization out there. The "Satanic Reds" won't last six days
after the Lehigh Acres Sheriff's Department breaks down the door on
Jantsang's vinyl-sided yurt and finds her corpse mouldering in a puddle of
Kahlua-scented vomit. Hell, Egan's FCoS didn't even survive his FAKE
death,
never mind his real one. The rest of the "Satanic organizations" out
there
wouldn't even survive Geoshitties going belly-up, never mind their
founders. |
It is funny to see the degree of self deception involved in *founding* yet
another *org*.
Shaw provides an interesting perspective. In his admission, he actually
summed up what I see in a lot of these orgs.
*I snipped the middle, I surpassed my ability to talk shit about long dead
incidents this am*
I have no reason to think anyone in CoS is a pedophile. I think over the
past 6 years, personal conflicts played out online reached an absurd degree
of intensity.
William tended to always be there.
Now this.
I'm going to chill out ..... I don't think it ever had to do with an
organization to begin with .... even when it did (ie people who walk, who
stay etc)
| Quote: | The way you handle those jokes is the same way I'm handling the situation
right now. You say, "We goofed, when we found out we goofed, we did what
we
could to rectify the situation." You don't create a dozen sock puppet
accounts who are "not CoS members" but who just happen to have an
impassioned and obsessive interest in defending the Church of Satan. Nor
do
you try to minimize what happened, or blame the victims, or pretend this
is
all a hoax set in motion by a bunch of "FUNDAMENTALIST PEDOPHILES TRYING
TO
RIDE THE MONEY TRAIN."
Shit happens. You can either wipe your shoes and move on, or you can
choose
to wallow in it in some desperate effort to "clear your name." I think
Door
#1 is the best choice. And the people who will be telling the Gidney
jokes
really have no power to do us harm. Those who will join the CoS will
join:
those who won't won't. I doubt that anyone is going to say, "I was going
to
join the Church of Satan, but since the Gidney incident I want nothing to
do
with them."
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I think sometimes when people love something they lose a distinction between
what is personal and organizational
Ultimately, this is personal .... albeit very freaky.
The organization is only tangential.
In the omnipresence of the internet, we see the most ridiculous conflicts
play out indefinitely.
My lesson has been to get pissed but then chill the fuck out.
If there ever was to be a really successful org, I do not think ASL would
even be mentioned.
Invariably, they all end up reacting to ASL.
| Quote: | If you want a club to beat us with, the Gidney affair is as good as any.
Before that it was the LaVey bankruptcy; I'm sure that before it's all
over
there will be something else that the jackals will be waving around,
trying
desperately to prove that the CoS is now on its last legs and their moment
of glory is just over the horizon. They're like some no-talent lounge
singer crooning in Podunk, rejoicing because now Frank Sinatra is dead and
they'll be singing with Tony Bennett Any Day Now.
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I get fucking furious with some LaVeyan satanists, but it is simply a
journey I go thru in a different way.
I'll never understand the desires of these quasi org people, frankly.
You are absolutely righton that point, tho.
You could be named al qaeda tomorrow but Blackwood will still be a retard.
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| Quote: | I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney was a
"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out... not even
Will's many online enemies, who had every reason to assume the worst about
the guy. Perhaps you have some $0093r 3133+ pedophile/wifebeater radar
which will allow you to make infallible judgments in matters like this
before they come to light. Us mere mortals (even us elite mere mortals)
have to work on what we see... and act accordingly when unexpected facts
come to light.
Peace
Kevin Filan
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I totally agree with Kevin here. I talked with Will for quite some time, never
picked up on anything that would suggest he was either a child molestor or a
wife beater. If anything he came off as a man who adored fully developed woman
of all nationalities.
I know people who were intimately involved with William Gidney for enough time
to pick up on such things, they didn't pick up on any such things and
furthermore were not part of the Church of Satan hierarchy.
Law Enforcement doesn't arrest every criminal, doesn't pick up on every crime,
government doesn't know about every scandal, and the Church of Satan certainly
doesn't either. It's an organization of highly intelligent but HUMAN
individuals.
Sure, if William Gidney were the High Preist of the Church of Satan then
perhaps every anti-CoS person here would have a point but he wasn't. He was one
preist out of many who aren't child molestors and are good people.
Are all of you so damned arrogant that you wont admit to not having the
foresight to avoid something negative at least once in your life? And what
happens when we get to the point where Satanism has a criminal in every
faction, is then Satanism a religion of child molestors just because we didn't
see "that one coming?"
And last, let the man have a trial before YOU-- most uninformed, unreliable,
and blind when it comes to his crimes real or imagined-- try and convict him or
even vindicate him.
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