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Ron Mershon
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 Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:07 am Post subject: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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The following is from the former-FCoS message board. It looks like
John "Lord Egan" Allee (now using his female "Lillie" persona) is
supporting both William "Bubba's Bitch" Gidney and Gilmore's sham CoS.
Somehow, I am not surprised. Pedophiles all, they all deserve each
other.
RM
http://satanicchurch.cjb.net
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Open Letter to the Satanic Community
As we look to the future and rebuild the new First Church of Satan, we
cannot help but see around us the problems that face many of our
brethren in other organizations.
The discrimination and misperceptions from society still exists for
Satanists in their professional and personal lives. One of the biggest
concerns continues to be the support of our own. Many Satanists have
had to face the horrifying reality that in many situations you are not
innocent until proven guilty. In many an emotionally charged
accusation, before the last keystroke is hit, or the ink is dried on
the paper, the defendant is automatically assumed to have executed the
actions he is only alleged to have committed.
Recent history has shown us that admitted Satanists have been
convicted of crimes. However, this is also true of Christians, Muslims
and atheists. It seems that when a Satanist is convicted, the religion
card is always used.
Recently the Gidneys, a couple in Florida, have been the subject of
some cruel commentaries on the net lists. I would urge that everyone
reserve their comments until the courts render their decision. A
broken marriage is painful enough. Professional embarrassment due to
financial difficulties do not have to be spread through the internet.
It is obvious that when a divorce is imminent, a couple will often
deal with a separation of finances, and thus monetary difficulties.
These are none of our concern.
Abuse is our concern as caring members of a community and allegations
of abuse or violence or difficulties of any kind certainly should be
acted upon. The action has already been taken and is in the hands of
authorities. This is where the responsibility of the community ends,
and the justice system should now take over.
Do not add to anyone's pain by supposition or adding to the rumors. It
does no one any good to denigrate or demean the Church of Satan or its
policies. If you are not a member, you do not know their inner
workings, and it is not your place to make any statements at this
time. You may want to direct your comments or concerns to a member who
can address any issues you may have privately. As for the Gidneys,
please act prudently. There are other family members and children
involved. Do not add to their pain with comments that may surface in
places you would not wish them to be.
Obviously, the FCoS has no affiliation with the Gidneys or the CoS,
except as a part of the community as a whole. If we cannot all support
each other, who will in these situations? It is senseless to continue
to break into factions and watch fellow Satanists and organizations be
torn down.
I have a personal interest in this. For years, we have had a fallout
of allegations of child abuse and pedophilia leveled at John Allee.
None of those allegations are true. No charges have ever been filed.
There are no arrests. This has always been a net fabrication. However,
ask the average Satanist and they will believe that there is truth
concerning the matter simply because it was spread all over the
internet. We would like to see such incidents avoided in the future.
Regardless of our own particular affiliations, there is one thing we
can do for the Satanic community and the occult community in general.
Let Mr. Gidney be judged in a court of law, not on the internet boards
and e-lists. Be certain of his guilt or innocence, and then state your
opinions.
Together, we can all make a difference. Separated, we are simply prey
for outsiders looking for reasons to stigmatize anyone who is not part
of the Christian right.
Thank you for your time.
Lillee Allee, Visiting Priestess, FCoS |
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Kevin Filan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:31 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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On 8/3/03 8:07 PM, in article
f56f40f3.0308031607.7ee5c25a@posting.google.com, "Ron Mershon"
<rmershon@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The following is from the former-FCoS message board. It looks like
John "Lord Egan" Allee (now using his female "Lillie" persona) is
supporting both William "Bubba's Bitch" Gidney and Gilmore's sham CoS.
Somehow, I am not surprised. Pedophiles all, they all deserve each
other.
RM
http://satanicchurch.cjb.net
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Am I the only one who thinks that Ron's continuous attacks on the Church of
Satan give new meaning to the words "impotent rage?"
Peace
Kevin Filan |
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ThirdRockFan74
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 5:51 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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Kaitlyn Bryant
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 10:22 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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For the record, The Gidney's are NOT a couple!Ygraine stated that they
ahve been seperated for a year. William Gidney, alone, should bare
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Little Orphan Anomy
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2003 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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No, there's kind of a huge hypocracy issue here Mr. Filan. You see the
CoS to my understanding lauds streetsmarts, even says so somewhere on
the mainpage. If a paedo and wifebeater is put forth as an "elite"
member who's example is to be noted by all, what does that say about
the CoS?...not much. Where is streetsmarts demonstrated when someone
like that can slip below thier radar?
Kevin Filan <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message news:<BB5321F5.2C9D2%mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com>...
| Quote: | On 8/3/03 8:07 PM, in article
f56f40f3.0308031607.7ee5c25a@posting.google.com, "Ron Mershon"
rmershon@hotmail.com> wrote:
The following is from the former-FCoS message board. It looks like
John "Lord Egan" Allee (now using his female "Lillie" persona) is
supporting both William "Bubba's Bitch" Gidney and Gilmore's sham CoS.
Somehow, I am not surprised. Pedophiles all, they all deserve each
other.
RM
http://satanicchurch.cjb.net
Am I the only one who thinks that Ron's continuous attacks on the Church of
Satan give new meaning to the words "impotent rage?"
Peace
Kevin Filan |
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Kevin Filan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 5:06 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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On 8/4/03 7:23 AM, in article
d7907908.0308040323.2fdc044d@posting.google.com, "Little Orphan Anomy"
<son_of_samedhi@hushmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | No, there's kind of a huge hypocracy issue here Mr. Filan. You see the
CoS to my understanding lauds streetsmarts, even says so somewhere on
the mainpage. If a paedo and wifebeater is put forth as an "elite"
member who's example is to be noted by all, what does that say about
the CoS?...not much. Where is streetsmarts demonstrated when someone
like that can slip below thier radar?
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Being a Satanist doesn't make you infallible. In fact, one of the first
things any smart Satanist should do is acknowledge that s/he is human and
therefore prone to error and misjudgment. Then s/he should make efforts to
minimize those foulups and, when they happen, admit honestly "I was wrong."
Assuming that Will Gidney is guilty (and at present he has been charged, not
convicted), then obviously the Church of Satan erred in granting him
membership and a Priesthood. Now that this error has been brought to light,
all we can do is excommunicate him and try not to make the same mistake in
the future. The best part of "street smarts" is knowing when you've made a
mistake, and avoiding that mistake in the future.
I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney was a
"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out... not even
Will's many online enemies, who had every reason to assume the worst about
the guy. Perhaps you have some $0093r 3133+ pedophile/wifebeater radar
which will allow you to make infallible judgments in matters like this
before they come to light. Us mere mortals (even us elite mere mortals)
have to work on what we see... and act accordingly when unexpected facts
come to light.
Peace
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Ron Mershon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 11:06 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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Kaitlyn_Bryant@yahoo.com (Kaitlyn Bryant) wrote in message news:<fddb96f0.0308032122.596d79df@posting.google.com>...
| Quote: | For the record, The Gidney's are NOT a couple!Ygraine stated that they
ahve been seperated for a year. William Gidney, alone, should bare
responsibilty for his actions.
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Also just for the record, I (of all people!) certainly wouldn't fault
Ygraine for making bad judgements in her personal life. But that is
not the same as Peter Gilmore, who claims the degree of perception
necessary to be a "Magus and High Priest" (and who didn't, to my
knowledge, have any romantic relationship with Gidney), being just
plain *stupid* enough to "ordain" this sicko.
RM
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Ron Mershon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 11:48 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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Kevin Filan <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message news:<BB5321F5.2C9D2%mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com>...
LOL. If only Bill Gidney were "impotent", then the CoS would be in a
lot less trouble, eh?
Really, Kevin, I have enjoyed our more civil posts to each other as
well. Your ability to ever even *make* a thoughtful, intelligent post
puts you far above most other CoS members I have encountered. It is
unfortunate that you are beginning to return to your more flame-laden
past. Peer-pressure is a bitch, isn't it?
RM
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Kevin Filan
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2003 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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On 8/5/03 2:06 AM, in article
f56f40f3.0308042206.114e1b29@posting.google.com, "Ron Mershon"
<rmershon@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | For the record, The Gidney's are NOT a couple!Ygraine stated that they
ahve been seperated for a year. William Gidney, alone, should bare
responsibilty for his actions.
Also just for the record, I (of all people!) certainly wouldn't fault
Ygraine for making bad judgements in her personal life. But that is
not the same as Peter Gilmore, who claims the degree of perception
necessary to be a "Magus and High Priest" (and who didn't, to my
knowledge, have any romantic relationship with Gidney), being just
plain *stupid* enough to "ordain" this sicko.
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OK, Ron, I'll ask you the same question I asked Anomy. How would YOU have
known ahead of time about this situation? Keep in mind that no one else on
here ... including the most devoted Gidney- and CoS-bashers ... knew about
this. Also keep in mind that you have claimed to be an "Ipsissimus," and
that the Church of Satan, unlike the ToS or OTO, does not claim that any
supernatural abilities accrue to one along with a title. One could just as
easily ask: why didn't Ron, with his post-Abyss vision, give us a detailed
rundown of Will Gidney's failings, if only so he could gloat when the truth
came out later?
Perhaps we should have KNOWN, we should have ALWAYS KNOWN ... but we didn't.
Instead, we did the best we could: when we found out about an inappropriate
situation, we took appropriate actions. We've had to rescind a couple of
titles because the people in question proved unworthy of them. It's not
pleasant, but it happens.
Peace
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Little Orphan Anomy
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 3:57 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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| Quote: | Being a Satanist doesn't make you infallible. In fact, one of the first
things any smart Satanist should do is acknowledge that s/he is human and
therefore prone to error and misjudgment. Then s/he should make efforts to
minimize those foulups and, when they happen, admit honestly "I was wrong."
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Assuming that Will Gidney is guilty (and at present he has been charged, not
convicted), then obviously the Church of Satan erred in granting him
membership and a Priesthood. Now that this error has been brought to light,
all we can do is excommunicate him and try not to make the same mistake in
the future. The best part of "street smarts" is knowing when you've made a
mistake, and avoiding that mistake in the future.
I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney was a
"paedo and wifebeater?"
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The wifebeater part is easy, look at the wife, how she acts around
him. Does she flinch when he makes sudden movements? Does she walk
into alot of doors/fall down the stairs etc? Check the knuckles on the
husband too. Many scars mean an inclination towards violence,
incidentally you can spot a narc or an undercover cop by thier lack of
scars (depending on context of course, context and nuance are biggies
in spotting things like this). As for the paedo part, watch his eyes
when he is around kids, do they follow them? Are they his kids? Are
they someone elses? Is he flushed, even slightly in the presense of
children? Boom paedo. I can usually size someone up within a few
minutes.
Until now, nobody else figured that out... not even
| Quote: | Will's many online enemies, who had every reason to assume the worst about
the guy.
Perhaps you have some $0093r 3133+ pedophile/wifebeater radar
which will allow you to make infallible judgments in matters like this
before they come to light.
Us mere mortals (even us elite mere mortals)
have to work on what we see... and act accordingly when unexpected facts
come to light.
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True, most of what I figured out about sizing people up I figured out
the hard way. But its also the best way, you learn faster. Gilmore, of
all people should have had him figured out a long time ago, if he
picked anything of use up off LaVey.
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Kevin Filan
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 6:33 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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On 8/5/03 8:30 PM, in article
f56f40f3.0308051630.56030daa@posting.google.com, "Ron Mershon"
<rmershon@hotmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Kevin Filan <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
news:<BB54F990.2CD11%mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com>...
OK, Ron, I'll ask you the same question I asked Anomy. How would YOU have
known ahead of time about this situation?
The fact that LaVey threw Gidney out of the CoS a decade ago should
definitely have been a heads-up.
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I'll grant you that: I'll even grant you that hindsight has shown that
letting him back in was a mistake. As I said, IMO the best we can do in
this situation is learn from our errors and try not to repeat them.
| Quote: | Instead, we did the best we could: when we found out about an inappropriate
situation, we took appropriate actions.
I understand that, but I'm sure you realize that the fact that CoS
members have regularly used (usually unfounded) accusations of
pedophilia against others (Aquino, Egan, Paul Valentine, myself..)
makes this Gidney thing just too ironic to pass up.
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I don't think anyone here really thinks Mikey molested those kids: OTOH, I
think most of us would say that he brought many of his problems on himself
by, among other things (a) dressing up like Count Chocula on a ferchrissakes
military base; (b) going on Geraldo to "defend" himself; and (c) feeding a
Usenet troll for years. I don't think Aquino is a child molester. I think
he is a pluperfect asshole who lacks even the most rudimentary social
skills... and he and his shrew of a wife hop up and down most entertainingly
when you mention the words "Presidio." (On this newsgroup hopping up and
down is like bleeding around sharks: it will have anything but the desired
effect).
Egan was a member of NAMBLA, and had a distressing tendency to surround
himself with barely legal and not-quite legal youths. There's something a
tad creepy about a 50+ year old man whose friends are all 25-30 years
younger than him. That being said, to the best of my knowledge Allee was
never convicted or even seriously accused of any sexual misconduct involving
children or minors. He's a fat, whimpering disgusting slug of a man and I
wouldn't let him near any children I cared about... but that's a personal
opinion. (It's a personal opinion held by many, true, but that's not the
same thing as an indictment or conviction).
As for Valentine: I never called him a pedophile. I did have some fun
pointing out that the emperor of the "Worldwide Church of Satanic
Liberation" supported himself as a pizza delivery boy, stock clerk at
Target, and various other menial and dead-end jobs. There's nothing wrong
with this inherently -- at some point I may take a less demanding job to
concentrate on my writing. OTOH, I also will be dedicating my time to
producing worthwhile fiction and nonfiction. Near as I can tell, Paully
dedicated his time away from the Domino's wagon to stealing birdseed,
bragging about his imaginary castle in Scotland, posting as his imaginary
daughter Amanda, and getting served with restraining orders from
ex-girlfriends. In other words, Paul's dead-end jobs were matched by his
dead-end life.
I've seen the magazine with your "runaways welcome" ad. It could be that
you were joking: OTOH, you can hardly be surprised that others have quoted
that ad and asked you about it ... or mocked you for it. Again, that being
said, I have no reason to believe Stephanie Cholensky was underage at any
point during your relationship with her, or that you ever engaged in child
molestation.
Peace
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Gino
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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Greetings,
Lord Egan supporting the COS is no surprise to me since his
council told him to bite the big one. It was just a matter of time for
some people within the COS to give the org a bad name. They have been
falling apart for years it was just a matter of time for them to
completely crumble. I don't feel bad at all without a leader they are
doomed anyways.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 7:52 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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"Kevin Filan" <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
news:BB546DA2.2CAE1%mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com...
| Quote: | I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney was
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"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out...
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Both Ygraine and William Gidney have referred to his violent behavior in
terms of who he would beat up if he had the chance. Add to this that beaten
wives tend to find another wife-beater when they finally separate themselves
from their ex-husbands. This has been mentioned before on this newsgroup. I
think I once commented on Will Gidney's motives for using Ygraine's daughter
as naked altar female, but I wasn't able to find anything on Google.
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Neskoreni
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 10:30 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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"- wolf -" <wolf@nospam-blazingangles.com> wrote in message
news:3f311651$0$97198$edfadb0f@dread12.news.tele.dk...
| Quote: | "Kevin Filan" <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
news:BB546DA2.2CAE1%mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com...
I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney
was
a
"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out...
Both Ygraine and William Gidney have referred to his violent behavior in
terms of who he would beat up if he had the chance. Add to this that
beaten
wives tend to find another wife-beater when they finally separate
themselves
from their ex-husbands. This has been mentioned before on this newsgroup.
I
think I once commented on Will Gidney's motives for using Ygraine's
daughter
as naked altar female, but I wasn't able to find anything on Google.
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How old was the daughter?
You would have to be able to prove this, btw. It implies additional
culpability.
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Neskoreni
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2003 11:15 pm Post subject: Re: Pedophile John Allee backs CoS |
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"Kevin Filan" <mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com> wrote in message
news:BB546DA2.2CAE1%mrharwer@excite.SPAMBGONE.com...
| Quote: | On 8/4/03 7:23 AM, in article
d7907908.0308040323.2fdc044d@posting.google.com, "Little Orphan Anomy"
son_of_samedhi@hushmail.com> wrote:
No, there's kind of a huge hypocracy issue here Mr. Filan. You see the
CoS to my understanding lauds streetsmarts, even says so somewhere on
the mainpage. If a paedo and wifebeater is put forth as an "elite"
member who's example is to be noted by all, what does that say about
the CoS?...not much. Where is streetsmarts demonstrated when someone
like that can slip below thier radar?
Being a Satanist doesn't make you infallible. In fact, one of the first
things any smart Satanist should do is acknowledge that s/he is human and
therefore prone to error and misjudgment. Then s/he should make efforts
to
minimize those foulups and, when they happen, admit honestly "I was
wrong." |
True.
I don't think it will affect your organization over the long run, in
fairness.
| Quote: | Assuming that Will Gidney is guilty (and at present he has been charged,
not
convicted), then obviously the Church of Satan erred in granting him
membership and a Priesthood. Now that this error has been brought to
light,
all we can do is excommunicate him and try not to make the same mistake in
the future. The best part of "street smarts" is knowing when you've made
a
mistake, and avoiding that mistake in the future.
I'm also curious as to how you would have determined that Will Gidney was
a
"paedo and wifebeater?" Until now, nobody else figured that out... not
even
Will's many online enemies, who had every reason to assume the worst about
the guy. Perhaps you have some $0093r 3133+ pedophile/wifebeater radar
which will allow you to make infallible judgments in matters like this
before they come to light. Us mere mortals (even us elite mere mortals)
have to work on what we see... and act accordingly when unexpected facts
come to light.
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It took me approximately 3-5 minutes to determine William had problems.
Babbling about Jackie Kennedy's proximity to him was a dead giveaway.
He was polite the few times I talked to him, however. We both had an
interest in GE Rasputin and limited the conversations to this subject.
Unfortunately, he and his wife chose to harass one of my female friends
after an incident here concerning a musician who accepted the "Magister"
title from ASL but later walked away.
I could not have guessed pedophilia of anyone, it is too disguisting to even
contemplate.
You will pay a price for allowing the rest of that ilk to remain, but noone
out here can make you see that until it happens.
It gives me great satisfaction to watch the demise of yet another who
imposed on me and mine. I am certain there will be more to come.
I'm sure you'll be hearing be hearing Gidney jokes for years, tho.
You set the standard with the Presidio incident.
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