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 Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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On Jul 14, 9:19 am, rod.missagh...@gmail.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 13, 9:23 am, "Kent Johnson" <k...@compx2.com> wrote:
We are not to be involved in partisan politics. That is a principle of ou
r
faith. How we interpret that is up to us. If I think I can run for Presid
ent
of the US without being involved in partisan politics no one will stop me
unless and until I start bringing to the Baha'i Faith things that are
counter to Baha'i principles.
We all interpret everything around us. So I have just the tiniest prob
lem
with the huge issue of whether or not a Baha'i may or may not do anything
..
We are opposed to lots of things beyond partisan politics, such as racial
,
religious, ethnic prejudice. But do Baha'is occassionally pick a Baha'i
business or group to associate with instead of a better non-Baha'i group
or
business? Assuredly. Is that religious prejudice? Baha'is are left free t
o
decide that for themselves.
A Baha'i institution (there is no clergy) might intervene if publicity wh
ich
associates our Faith with these un-Bahai principles (like prejudice or
partisanship) appears, or if someone asks them to interfere. But for the
most part we are expected to act like Baha'is merely because we are Baha'
is,
not because someone is watching.
That is my tiny problem, we may hold appointed political office, we may t
ry
to get elected, we may be religious bigots, but if you want to know what
Baha'i beliefs are you will have to go to our Writings, not to our
believers. We are all interpeting, and nothing we say is from God. It is
our
interpretation of God's Will for us.
So can one be involved in politics without being partisan? That is better
your answer than mine. Because there is no "Baha'i" answer to that questi
on.
But for my part, I believe it is Baha'i principle to look for the best
charities, the best medical facilities, the best academics, the best of
everything, not the Baha'i of everything. It is apparent to me that th
ose
who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether they call themselves
Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah or not.
If we think there is something about the name "Baha'i" and not the
principles "Baha'i" then we are bigotted and partisan.
--Kent
It is apparent to me that those
who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether they call themselves
Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah or not.
From the first paragraph of the Kitab-i-Aqdas:
The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition
of Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His
laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause
and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained
unto all good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though
he be the author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who
reacheth this most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory,
to observe every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world.
These twin duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the
other. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Source of Divine
inspiration.
This clearly indicates that good deeds are not enough. The Baha'i
Faith IMO is about conscious knowledge of God's will for this day and
converting that knowledge into action. One without the other is
unacceptable.
snip |
Does this mean that the 99.9% of the world's population that has never
even heard of Baha'i, no matter how good, are all going to have a
horrid
afterlife, "burning" in "hell" or whatever you want to call it, and no
chances
ever to get out of it (this-is-the-only-chance-and-they-blew-it-even-
if-they-
didn't-even-know-it type of stuff)? |
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Susan Maneck
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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| Quote: | Does this mean that the 99.9% of the world's population that has never
even heard of Baha'i, no matter how good, are all going to have a
horrid
afterlife, "burning" in "hell" or whatever you want to call it, and no
chances
ever to get out of it (this-is-the-only-chance-and-they-blew-it-even-
if-they-
didn't-even-know-it type of stuff)?
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Dear Mike,
That's certainly not what I believe. I doubt if it is what Rod
believes either but admittedly it sort of sounded like it.
warmest, Susan
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Poststructuralist
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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mike3 wrote:
| Quote: | Does this mean that the 99.921777521f the world's population
that has never even heard of Baha'i, no matter how good,
are all going to have a horrid afterlife, "burning" in
"hell" or whatever you want to call it, and no chances
ever to get out of it (this-is-the-only-chance-and-they-
blew-it-even-if-they-didn't-even-know-it type of stuff)?
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`Abdu'l-Baha said:
"It is even possible that the condition of those who have died in sin
and unbelief may become changed—that is to say, they may become the
object of pardon through the bounty of God, not through His justice—for
bounty is giving without desert, and justice is giving what is deserved.
As we have power to pray for these souls here, so likewise we shall
possess the same power in the other world, which is the Kingdom of God.
Are not all the people in that world the creatures of God? Therefore, in
that world also they can make progress."
-- Some Answered Questions, page 232
In Christian theology, there are three major schools regarding salvation
(soteriology):
1. Exclusivism - The position that only those who believe in a certain
way, or who belong to a particular religious organization, will be saved.
2. Pluralism - The position that everyone will be saved. This view is
also called universalism or universal salvation.
3. Inclusivism - The middle-range position that salvation is not limited
to those who believe a certain way or who belong to a particular
religious organization.
While, of course, the Baha'i Faith is not a Christian movement, it seems
to me that the Baha'i view of salvation would most closely approximate
inclusivism. The ideal is to accept the Prophet during one's earthly
lifetime. However, God's grace can extend to anyone, whether in this
world or in the world to come.
-- Regards, Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. * http://www.markfoster.net
"... the modern challenge is how to live with uncertainty. The
basic fault lines today are not between people with different
beliefs but between people who hold these beliefs with an
element of uncertainty and people who hold these beliefs with
a pretense of certitude." — Peter L. Berger, sociologist |
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Kent Johnson
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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Hi Mike3,
You: "Does this mean that the 99.9% of the world's population that has never
even heard of Baha'i, no matter how good, are all going to have a horrid
afterlife, "burning" in "hell" or whatever you want to call it, and no
chances ever to get out of it
(this-is-the-only-chance-and-they-blew-it-even-if-they-didn't-even-know-it
type of stuff)?"
First off Baha'is don't believe in hell if it isn't of our own making.
Secondly, did you miss this? It is from me, and you quoted: "It is apparent
to me that those who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether they
call themselves Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah or
not."
My statement is a controversial one for a Baha'i, but I believe I can
support it from "scriptural" (to use Mark's "contexts") Baha'i sources, if
anyone is interested.
--Kent
"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Jul 14, 9:19 am, rod.missagh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Jul 13, 9:23 am, "Kent Johnson" <k...@compx2.com> wrote:
We are not to be involved in partisan politics. That is a principle of
ou
r
faith. How we interpret that is up to us. If I think I can run for
Presid
ent
of the US without being involved in partisan politics no one will stop
me
unless and until I start bringing to the Baha'i Faith things that are
counter to Baha'i principles.
We all interpret everything around us. So I have just the tiniest prob
lem
with the huge issue of whether or not a Baha'i may or may not do
anything
..
We are opposed to lots of things beyond partisan politics, such as
racial
,
religious, ethnic prejudice. But do Baha'is occassionally pick a Baha'i
business or group to associate with instead of a better non-Baha'i
group
or
business? Assuredly. Is that religious prejudice? Baha'is are left free
t
o
decide that for themselves.
A Baha'i institution (there is no clergy) might intervene if publicity
wh
ich
associates our Faith with these un-Bahai principles (like prejudice or
partisanship) appears, or if someone asks them to interfere. But for
the
most part we are expected to act like Baha'is merely because we are
Baha'
is,
not because someone is watching.
That is my tiny problem, we may hold appointed political office, we may
t
ry
to get elected, we may be religious bigots, but if you want to know
what
Baha'i beliefs are you will have to go to our Writings, not to our
believers. We are all interpeting, and nothing we say is from God. It
is
our
interpretation of God's Will for us.
So can one be involved in politics without being partisan? That is
better
your answer than mine. Because there is no "Baha'i" answer to that
questi
on.
But for my part, I believe it is Baha'i principle to look for the best
charities, the best medical facilities, the best academics, the best of
everything, not the Baha'i of everything. It is apparent to me that th
ose
who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether they call themselves
Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah or not.
If we think there is something about the name "Baha'i" and not the
principles "Baha'i" then we are bigotted and partisan.
--Kent
It is apparent to me that those
who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether they call themselves
Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah or not.
From the first paragraph of the Kitab-i-Aqdas:
The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition
of Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His
laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause
and the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained
unto all good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though
he be the author of every righteous deed. It behoveth every one who
reacheth this most sublime station, this summit of transcendent glory,
to observe every ordinance of Him Who is the Desire of the world.
These twin duties are inseparable. Neither is acceptable without the
other. Thus hath it been decreed by Him Who is the Source of Divine
inspiration.
This clearly indicates that good deeds are not enough. The Baha'i
Faith IMO is about conscious knowledge of God's will for this day and
converting that knowledge into action. One without the other is
unacceptable.
snip
Does this mean that the 99.9% of the world's population that has never
even heard of Baha'i, no matter how good, are all going to have a
horrid
afterlife, "burning" in "hell" or whatever you want to call it, and no
chances
ever to get out of it (this-is-the-only-chance-and-they-blew-it-even-
if-they-
didn't-even-know-it type of stuff)?
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mike3
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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On Jul 27, 2:24 am, Poststructuralist
<drfosternotfromglouces...@nospamgmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | mike3 wrote:
Does this mean that the 99.921777521f the world's population
that has never even heard of Baha'i, no matter how good,
are all going to have a horrid afterlife, "burning" in
"hell" or whatever you want to call it, and no chances
ever to get out of it (this-is-the-only-chance-and-they-
blew-it-even-if-they-didn't-even-know-it type of stuff)?
`Abdu'l-Baha said:
"It is even possible that the condition of those who have died in sin
and unbelief may become changed—that is to say, they may become the
object of pardon through the bounty of God, not through His justice—for
bounty is giving without desert, and justice is giving what is deserved.
As we have power to pray for these souls here, so likewise we shall
possess the same power in the other world, which is the Kingdom of God.
Are not all the people in that world the creatures of God? Therefore, in
that world also they can make progress."
-- Some Answered Questions, page 232
In Christian theology, there are three major schools regarding salvation
(soteriology):
1. Exclusivism - The position that only those who believe in a certain
way, or who belong to a particular religious organization, will be saved.
2. Pluralism - The position that everyone will be saved. This view is
also called universalism or universal salvation.
3. Inclusivism - The middle-range position that salvation is not limited
to those who believe a certain way or who belong to a particular
religious organization.
While, of course, the Baha'i Faith is not a Christian movement, it seems
to me that the Baha'i view of salvation would most closely approximate
inclusivism. The ideal is to accept the Prophet during one's earthly
lifetime. However, God's grace can extend to anyone, whether in this
world or in the world to come.
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So then it would seem that 99.9% of the people are not necessarily all
going to "burn" in "hell" no matter how good their heart and action,
and
especially not "forever".
Especially considering that a Baha'i viewpoint of "heaven" and "hell"
has them not as literal places, but having to do with one's spiritual
development and "nearness" to God. Now there's no way to know
exactly or absolutely what the level of spiritual development of
anyone
really is, but it would seem unreasonable to believe that a very good-
hearted person who did many good things out of the goodness in that
heart and caring far more for others than his/her own personal vanity,
would somehow be as bad or even worse off than an evil dictator bent
on tyranny over as many as possible, sending out armies to kill,
torture,
rape, and steal, and with a heart consumed with arrogance, vanity,
hatred and malice of all sorts, simply because they never even heard
of the Baha'i Faith due to circumstances completely beyond their
control.
As that would essentially be saying that either there is no effect in
choosing
good over evil (except perhaps if one has accepted the religion,
Baha'i)
or that evil actually would make one _better_ than good, which is just
plain
laughable.
And furthermore, since progress is always possible, then "hell" does
not have to be eternal, either. Nor does "justice" necessarily demand
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mike3
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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On Jul 27, 1:11 am, "Susan Maneck" <sman...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Does this mean that the 99.9% of the world's population that has never
even heard of Baha'i, no matter how good, are all going to have a
horrid
afterlife, "burning" in "hell" or whatever you want to call it, and no
chances
ever to get out of it (this-is-the-only-chance-and-they-blew-it-even-
if-they-
didn't-even-know-it type of stuff)?
Dear Mike,
That's certainly not what I believe. I doubt if it is what Rod
believes either but admittedly it sort of sounded like it.
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Hmm. Although without Rod's input there's no way to know,
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Poststructuralist
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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mike3 wrote:
| Quote: | So then it would seem that 99.921777521f the people are not necessarily
all going to "burn" in "hell" no matter how good their heart and
action, and especially not "forever".
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Burning in hell is taken as a metaphor in the Baha'i Sacred Literature
for remoteness from God, much as the heart of an individual can be said
to burn with anguish when her or his spouse is in a distant location.
| Quote: | As that would essentially be saying that either there is no effect
in choosing good over evil (except perhaps if one has accepted the
religion, Baha'i) or that evil actually would make one _better_
than good, which is just plain laughable.
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People in different faith systems have come up with all sorts of
criteria for "not going to hell." For instance, in some forms of
Christianity, accepting Jesus as one's personal Savior is seen as
sufficient. Other Christians regard that formula as "greasy grace" and
insist that baptism is also required. Still others require that a person
belong to a particular church to avoid hellfire.
My own view is that God can be trusted to be just and merciful to His
creatures, and that any formulas we might construct are inevitably
limited and fallible. If we have faith in God, and we endeavor to
conform to His Will, we should believe that He will treat everyone
appropriately. Salvific formulas are unnecessary.
| Quote: | And furthermore, since progress is always possible, then "hell" does
not have to be eternal, either. Nor does "justice" necessarily demand
that it be so as well.
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As I see it, "eternal" refers to the condition of the world to come, the
afterlife or realm of immortality and eternal life. It is a relative
condition of souls, not something which can be described in this-worldly
terms, such as time or timelessness.
--
Regards, Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. * http://www.markfoster.net
"... the modern challenge is how to live with uncertainty. The
basic fault lines today are not between people with different
beliefs but between people who hold these beliefs with an
element of uncertainty and people who hold these beliefs with
a pretense of certitude." — Peter L. Berger, sociologist |
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Douglas McAdam
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Kent Johnson wrote:
| Quote: | Secondly, did you miss this? It is from me, and you quoted: "It is
apparent
to me that those who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether
they
call themselves Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah
or
not."
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Do the following quotes relate to this comment? If so how?
doug
PRAISE be to God that He hath enabled us to become cognizant of Him
Whom God shall make manifest in the Day of Resurrection, so that we may
derive benefit from the fruit of our existence and be not deprived of
attaining the presence of God. For indeed this is the object of our
creation and the sole purpose underlying every virtuous deed we may
perform. Such is the bounty which God hath conferred upon us; verily He
is the All-Bountiful, the Gracious. Know thou, that thou wilt succeed
in doing so if thou believest with undoubting faith. However, since
thou canst not attain the state of undoubting faith, due to the
intervening veils of thy selfish desires, therefore thou wilt tarry in
the fire, though realizing it not. On the Day of His manifestation,
unless thou truly believest in Him, naught can save thee from the fire,
even if thou dost perform every righteous deed. If thou embracest the
Truth, everything good and seemly shall be set down for thee in the
Book of God, and by virtue of this thou wilt rejoice in the all-highest
Paradise until the following Resurrection.
Selections From the Writings of the Bab, Pages 110-111: gr1
The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of
Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His
laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and
the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all
good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though he be the
author of every righteous deed.The Kitab-i-Aqdas, Pages 19-34: gr1 |
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Kent Johnson
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Thanks, Doug, I especially like the quote from the Bab. I will find it in
context and read what I can about it, then post it on the other thread about
what is a Baha'i. Presumably the Writings of the Bab are authenticated.
--Kent
"Douglas McAdam" <douglasmcadam@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Kent Johnson wrote:
Secondly, did you miss this? It is from me, and you quoted: "It is
apparent
to me that those who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether
they
call themselves Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah
or
not."
Do the following quotes relate to this comment? If so how?
doug
PRAISE be to God that He hath enabled us to become cognizant of Him
Whom God shall make manifest in the Day of Resurrection, so that we may
derive benefit from the fruit of our existence and be not deprived of
attaining the presence of God. For indeed this is the object of our
creation and the sole purpose underlying every virtuous deed we may
perform. Such is the bounty which God hath conferred upon us; verily He
is the All-Bountiful, the Gracious. Know thou, that thou wilt succeed
in doing so if thou believest with undoubting faith. However, since
thou canst not attain the state of undoubting faith, due to the
intervening veils of thy selfish desires, therefore thou wilt tarry in
the fire, though realizing it not. On the Day of His manifestation,
unless thou truly believest in Him, naught can save thee from the fire,
even if thou dost perform every righteous deed. If thou embracest the
Truth, everything good and seemly shall be set down for thee in the
Book of God, and by virtue of this thou wilt rejoice in the all-highest
Paradise until the following Resurrection.
Selections From the Writings of the Bab, Pages 110-111: gr1
The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of
Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His
laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and
the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all
good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though he be the
author of every righteous deed.The Kitab-i-Aqdas, Pages 19-34: gr1
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Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and
showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity. Tablet of
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Kent Johnson
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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Thanks, Doug, I especially like the quote from the Bab. I will find it in
context and read what I can about it, then post it on the other thread about
what is a Baha'i. Presumably the Writings of the Bab are authenticated.
--Kent
"Douglas McAdam" <douglasmcadam@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Kent Johnson wrote:
Secondly, did you miss this? It is from me, and you quoted: "It is
apparent
to me that those who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether
they
call themselves Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah
or
not."
Do the following quotes relate to this comment? If so how?
doug
PRAISE be to God that He hath enabled us to become cognizant of Him
Whom God shall make manifest in the Day of Resurrection, so that we may
derive benefit from the fruit of our existence and be not deprived of
attaining the presence of God. For indeed this is the object of our
creation and the sole purpose underlying every virtuous deed we may
perform. Such is the bounty which God hath conferred upon us; verily He
is the All-Bountiful, the Gracious. Know thou, that thou wilt succeed
in doing so if thou believest with undoubting faith. However, since
thou canst not attain the state of undoubting faith, due to the
intervening veils of thy selfish desires, therefore thou wilt tarry in
the fire, though realizing it not. On the Day of His manifestation,
unless thou truly believest in Him, naught can save thee from the fire,
even if thou dost perform every righteous deed. If thou embracest the
Truth, everything good and seemly shall be set down for thee in the
Book of God, and by virtue of this thou wilt rejoice in the all-highest
Paradise until the following Resurrection.
Selections From the Writings of the Bab, Pages 110-111: gr1
The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of
Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His
laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and
the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all
good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though he be the
author of every righteous deed.The Kitab-i-Aqdas, Pages 19-34: gr1
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Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and
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Kent Johnson
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| Posted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: Re: Politics and bigotry |
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Thanks, Doug, I especially like the quote from the Bab. I will find it in
context and read what I can about it, then post it on the other thread about
what is a Baha'i. Presumably the Writings of the Bab are authenticated.
--Kent
"Douglas McAdam" <douglasmcadam@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 27, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Kent Johnson wrote:
Secondly, did you miss this? It is from me, and you quoted: "It is
apparent
to me that those who follow Baha'i principles are the best, whether
they
call themselves Baha'is or not, whether they have heard of Baha'u'llah
or
not."
Do the following quotes relate to this comment? If so how?
doug
PRAISE be to God that He hath enabled us to become cognizant of Him
Whom God shall make manifest in the Day of Resurrection, so that we may
derive benefit from the fruit of our existence and be not deprived of
attaining the presence of God. For indeed this is the object of our
creation and the sole purpose underlying every virtuous deed we may
perform. Such is the bounty which God hath conferred upon us; verily He
is the All-Bountiful, the Gracious. Know thou, that thou wilt succeed
in doing so if thou believest with undoubting faith. However, since
thou canst not attain the state of undoubting faith, due to the
intervening veils of thy selfish desires, therefore thou wilt tarry in
the fire, though realizing it not. On the Day of His manifestation,
unless thou truly believest in Him, naught can save thee from the fire,
even if thou dost perform every righteous deed. If thou embracest the
Truth, everything good and seemly shall be set down for thee in the
Book of God, and by virtue of this thou wilt rejoice in the all-highest
Paradise until the following Resurrection.
Selections From the Writings of the Bab, Pages 110-111: gr1
The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of
Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His
laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cause and
the world of creation. Whoso achieveth this duty hath attained unto all
good; and whoso is deprived thereof hath gone astray, though he be the
author of every righteous deed.The Kitab-i-Aqdas, Pages 19-34: gr1
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Be thou assured in thyself that verily, he who turns away from this
Beauty hath also turned away from the Messengers of the past and
showeth pride towards God from all eternity to all eternity. Tablet of
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