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Findlay struggles with that whole separation of church and state thing
Published on June 11, 2008
http://www.clevescene.com/2008-06-11/news/findlay-struggles-with-that-whole-separation-of-church-and-state-thing
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The desolate plains of western Ohio can play tricks on your mind — like
making you think you're from Kansas or something. Which may explain the
Findlay public schools' annual free Bible day.
Fifth-graders were dismissed early from class last week in order to walk
with their teachers to a spot about three blocks away from school. That's
where professional Christians were handing out free Bibles to every kid.
Apparently, there were no history teachers on hand; otherwise someone might
have noted that said adventure runs afoul of that quaint little artifact
known as the Constitution.
But since the government has largely given up on enforcing the separation
of church and state, the ACLU kindly stepped in. It's threatened to sue the
district if it doesn't suspend Bible Day, which has been going on for
years.
"We feel that religion is such a private personal opinion," says spokesman
Mike Brickner. "It should be up to the students and parents to decide how
much exposure to religion they want."
The ACLU is quick to point out that there's nothing wrong with people
handing out Bibles on the street — unless they're also waving those
aborted-fetus placards, which can really ruin your appetite if you're on
your way to Burger King.
"If anyone had tried to prevent them from doing so, we'd probably be
defending them," Brickner says. It's just the "field-trip thing" that rubs
them the wrong way.
"We heard that a Muslim parent had complained because her daughter felt
pressured to take a Bible," says Brickner. "That creates a problem."
But to Findlay residents, the whole thing is rather ridiculous. "Findlay is
super Christian to begin with," says one recent high-school graduate.
"Everyone in the town already owns a Bible — or six. In fact, I have more
Bibles than I do voice messages," she adds, looking crossly at her cell
phone. "Want one?"
[end excerpt]
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The Constitutional Principle: Separation of Church and State
http://members.tripod.com/~candst/index.html
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respecting an establishment of religion" by syllogistic reasoning. Words
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page of history is worth a volume of logic." New York Trust Co. v. Eisner,
256 U.S. 345, 349, 41 S.Ct. 506, 507, 65 L.Ed. 963 (1921) (Holmes, J.).
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Liz
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| Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2008 11:28 pm Post subject: Re: Findlay struggles with that whole separation of church a |
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:32:37 -0400, buckeye <buckeyeelo@nospam.net>
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| Quote: | Findlay struggles with that whole separation of church and state thing
Published on June 11, 2008
http://www.clevescene.com/2008-06-11/news/findlay-struggles-with-that-whole-separation-of-church-and-state-thing
[excerpt]
The desolate plains of western Ohio can play tricks on your mind — like
making you think you're from Kansas or something. Which may explain the
Findlay public schools' annual free Bible day.
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Desolate? I formerly lived in Findlay and it is far from desolate.
Lot of farm land and it is flat, but not deserted nor treeless. In
fact, the land is very fertile as are the inhabitants.
However, it is religious as only western Ohio or say Kansas can be.
| Quote: | Fifth-graders were dismissed early from class last week in order to walk
with their teachers to a spot about three blocks away from school. That's
where professional Christians were handing out free Bibles to every kid.
Apparently, there were no history teachers on hand; otherwise someone might
have noted that said adventure runs afoul of that quaint little artifact
known as the Constitution.
But since the government has largely given up on enforcing the separation
of church and state, the ACLU kindly stepped in. It's threatened to sue the
district if it doesn't suspend Bible Day, which has been going on for
years.
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I have no doubt they see absolutely nothing wrong with Bible Day. I
wasn't aware of this practice when I lived there, but that was 30
years ago and I moved before my children entered fifth grade. Besides
no one would have ever mentioned it because it was just business as
usual.
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"We feel that religion is such a private personal opinion," says spokesman
Mike Brickner. "It should be up to the students and parents to decide how
much exposure to religion they want."
The ACLU is quick to point out that there's nothing wrong with people
handing out Bibles on the street — unless they're also waving those
aborted-fetus placards, which can really ruin your appetite if you're on
your way to Burger King.
"If anyone had tried to prevent them from doing so, we'd probably be
defending them," Brickner says. It's just the "field-trip thing" that rubs
them the wrong way.
"We heard that a Muslim parent had complained because her daughter felt
pressured to take a Bible," says Brickner. "That creates a problem."
But to Findlay residents, the whole thing is rather ridiculous. "Findlay is
super Christian to begin with," says one recent high-school graduate.
"Everyone in the town already owns a Bible — or six. In fact, I have more
Bibles than I do voice messages," she adds, looking crossly at her cell
phone. "Want one?"
[end excerpt]
Liz #658 BAAWA |
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Darrell Stec
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: Re: Findlay struggles with that whole separation of church a |
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Liz wrote:
| Quote: | On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 05:32:37 -0400, buckeye <buckeyeelo@nospam.net
wrote:
Findlay struggles with that whole separation of church and state thing
Published on June 11, 2008
http://www.clevescene.com/2008-06-11/news/findlay-struggles-with-that-whole-separation-of-church-and-state-thing
[excerpt]
The desolate plains of western Ohio can play tricks on your mind — like
making you think you're from Kansas or something. Which may explain the
Findlay public schools' annual free Bible day.
Desolate? I formerly lived in Findlay and it is far from desolate.
Lot of farm land and it is flat, but not deserted nor treeless. In
fact, the land is very fertile as are the inhabitants.
However, it is religious as only western Ohio or say Kansas can be.
Fifth-graders were dismissed early from class last week in order to walk
with their teachers to a spot about three blocks away from school. That's
where professional Christians were handing out free Bibles to every kid.
Apparently, there were no history teachers on hand; otherwise someone
might have noted that said adventure runs afoul of that quaint little
artifact known as the Constitution.
But since the government has largely given up on enforcing the separation
of church and state, the ACLU kindly stepped in. It's threatened to sue
the district if it doesn't suspend Bible Day, which has been going on for
years.
I have no doubt they see absolutely nothing wrong with Bible Day. I
wasn't aware of this practice when I lived there, but that was 30
years ago and I moved before my children entered fifth grade. Besides
no one would have ever mentioned it because it was just business as
usual.
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Here in Newton Falls, they still have ministers leading prayer during
graduation ceremonies. I attended four of my nieces' graduation ceremonies
over the last 20 years (2 years the most recent) and groaned. I'm pretty
sure that has been deemed unconstitutional.
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"We feel that religion is such a private personal opinion," says spokesman
Mike Brickner. "It should be up to the students and parents to decide how
much exposure to religion they want."
The ACLU is quick to point out that there's nothing wrong with people
handing out Bibles on the street — unless they're also waving those
aborted-fetus placards, which can really ruin your appetite if you're on
your way to Burger King.
"If anyone had tried to prevent them from doing so, we'd probably be
defending them," Brickner says. It's just the "field-trip thing" that rubs
them the wrong way.
"We heard that a Muslim parent had complained because her daughter felt
pressured to take a Bible," says Brickner. "That creates a problem."
But to Findlay residents, the whole thing is rather ridiculous. "Findlay
is super Christian to begin with," says one recent high-school graduate.
"Everyone in the town already owns a Bible — or six. In fact, I have more
Bibles than I do voice messages," she adds, looking crossly at her cell
phone. "Want one?"
[end excerpt]
Liz #658 BAAWA
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ZerkonX
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| Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2008 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Findlay struggles with that whole separation of church a |
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On Sun, 15 Jun 2008 14:28:27 -0400, Liz wrote:
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fact, the land is very fertile as are the inhabitants.
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This is the definition of 'desolate' to the metro-centric.
| Quote: | making you think you're from Kansas or something...
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is "making you think you're from where most people live." |
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