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 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:59:47 -0700 (PDT), colp <colp@solder.ath.cx>
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| Quote: | On Aug 20, 3:04 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudyw...
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
Then why are there no dents on the roof of the firetruck?
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Nothing fell directly on top of that firetruck?
| Quote: | The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
What I find unusual is that the windows appear to have been completely
blown out, with little glass remaining around the frame. The side
windows on both the left and right sides of the truck have no exposure
to debris falling straight down, but some panes are almost completely
absent of glass.
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You don't have a clue about the existence of a pressure wave during a
building collapse, do you? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:44 -0700 (PDT), colp <colp@solder.ath.cx>
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| Quote: | Do you have anything other than circular reasoning to support your
claim?
Do you have anything other than imagination to support yours?
The paper The North Tower's Dust Cloud: Analysis of Energy
Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the
Collapse of 1 World Trade Center uses photographic evidence --
The authors like Jim Hoffman use the web and YouTube to make claims
that only people that are ignorant of the topic agree with.
The only ignorance that is relevant is ignorance of the the laws of
physics which describe the amount of energy necessary convert solid
concrete to fine powder, of ignorance of the standard kinematic
relationships.
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And then, of course, there are people like you that are given a
citation to an explanation and only read a "couple of paragraphs".
| Quote: | let the author of that paper speak in public and make his claim to
people that have relevant expertise and lets hear the discussion.
Why? The relevant information is available in his paper.
http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/index.html
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Too bad that the "information" in that paper is false, isn't it?
Hoffman is a software engineer who is writing about stuff that he
knows nothing about. He starts off with several erroneous
assumptions:
(1) All of the concrete in the building was pulverized.
(2) All of the dust came from the concrete.
(3) It took some kind of thermal reaction to push the cloud away from
the building.
All of these assumptions are wrong.
You really need to read material from other sources besides conspiracy
wacko websites.
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scientists and engineers will speak to anyone, anywhere to make their
case and address question.
Rubbish. They've got better things to do that take calls from idiots
all day long.
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You haven't even ever tried, have you? Just like you don't bother to
read citations that are given to you. BTW, when are you going to
explain how, if Judy Wood's energy weapon was used, only the buildings
fell and a great number of people who were present survived. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:08:01 -0700 (PDT), colp <colp@solder.ath.cx>
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| Quote: | On Aug 19, 12:18 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <5a1d8028-06d3-4965-bf5a-552a09708...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 12:04 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <d36a9c8c-aa85-4168-9961-ae6ef947f...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
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Why should I believe people that won't explain their claims and answer
relevant questions in public?
Because the questions are often not relevant to the facts.
One of the facts in this case is the official story cannot explain the
high energy destruction of the twin towers.
None of the people that make that claim will speak in public and
answer relevant questions from relevant experts to defend their
claims.
Why should I believe them until they do?
Because at the end of the day you have to think for yourself.
I do. I do.
Nobody that claims that anything but two large commercial jets caused
all the destruction will speak in public. I have some very specific,
relevant questions for a couple of them based on my relevant
professional and job experience.
What are your questions?
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Where are the jets and where are the people who were on them for
starters. |
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:57 am Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Aug 20, 11:50 am, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:44 -0700 (PDT), colp <c...@solder.ath.cx
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Do you have anything other than circular reasoning to support your
claim?
Do you have anything other than imagination to support yours?
The paper The North Tower's Dust Cloud: Analysis of Energy
Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the
Collapse of 1 World Trade Center uses photographic evidence --
The authors like Jim Hoffman use the web and YouTube to make claims
that only people that are ignorant of the topic agree with.
The only ignorance that is relevant is ignorance of the the laws of
physics which describe the amount of energy necessary convert solid
concrete to fine powder, of ignorance of the standard kinematic
relationships.
And then, of course, there are people like you that are given a
citation to an explanation and only read a "couple of paragraphs".
let the author of that paper speak in public and make his claim to
people that have relevant expertise and lets hear the discussion.
Why? The relevant information is available in his paper.
http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/index.html
Too bad that the "information" in that paper is false, isn't it?
Hoffman is a software engineer who is writing about stuff that he
knows nothing about. He starts off with several erroneous
assumptions:
(1) All of the concrete in the building was pulverized.
(2) All of the dust came from the concrete.
(3) It took some kind of thermal reaction to push the cloud away from
the building.
All of these assumptions are wrong.
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Technically true, but the error due to the assumptions does not
account for the disparity between the energy source and the energy
sinks. |
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colp
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:59 am Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Aug 20, 11:42 am, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:48:22 -0700 (PDT), colp <c...@solder.ath.cx
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On Aug 20, 12:15 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <e7d574b8-cca2-4afc-81ee-6c82496b9...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows
They were too close to 100,000 tons of steel and concrete that fell as
much as 1,200 ft.
Nobody got a suntan at WTC on 9/11.
You haven't answered the question.
Yes he did. You just don't like the answer.
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Why don't you quote his answer? Don't you want people to see how
stupid it was? |
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colp
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Aug 20, 12:21 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <30323d01-ca3d-46a5-a29e-849ba26fe...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 20, 12:15 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <e7d574b8-cca2-4afc-81ee-6c82496b9...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows
They were too close to 100,000 tons of steel and concrete that fell as
much as 1,200 ft.
Nobody got a suntan at WTC on 9/11.
You haven't answered the question.
They were too close to 100,000 tons of steel and concrete that fell as
much as 1,200 ft.
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How did the steel and concrete manage to completely broke the vertical
windows but not dent the the roof of the firetruck? |
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colp
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:32 am Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Aug 20, 11:45 am, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:59:47 -0700 (PDT), colp <c...@solder.ath.cx
wrote:
On Aug 20, 3:04 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudyw...
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
Then why are there no dents on the roof of the firetruck?
Nothing fell directly on top of that firetruck?
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Nothing substantial, anyway.
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The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
What I find unusual is that the windows appear to have been completely
blown out, with little glass remaining around the frame. The side
windows on both the left and right sides of the truck have no exposure
to debris falling straight down, but some panes are almost completely
absent of glass.
You don't have a clue about the existence of a pressure wave during a
building collapse, do you?
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A pressure wave is associated with a loud noise. Yet the major noise
associated with the destruction of the first tower occurred at the
start of its destruction, not when the debris hit the ground.
"Abruptly, there was an ear-splitting noise. The south tower shook,
seemed to list in one direction and them began to come down, imploding
upon itself."
http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?ID=3423#awakes |
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colp
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Aug 20, 2:30 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <e96501d4-3170-4947-9f9f-4c010d403...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 20, 3:04 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudyw...
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
Then why are there no dents on the roof of the firetruck?
The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
What I find unusual is that the windows appear to have been completely
blown out, with little glass remaining around the frame. The side
windows on both the left and right sides of the truck have no exposure
to debris falling straight down, but some panes are almost completely
absent of glass.
Some of those trucks were buried on yards of rubble, That would make
the glass go away. The were moved with claw-equipped cranes. Who knows
when the last bit of glass was knocked out. The trucks put in museums
probably had the last of the glass removed for safety reasons.
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The firetruck in the photos was not buried in yards of rubble.
Claw-equipped cranes wouldn't completely remove window glass.
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows |
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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In article <e96501d4-3170-4947-9f9f-4c010d403545@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 20, 3:04 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudyw...
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
Then why are there no dents on the roof of the firetruck?
The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
What I find unusual is that the windows appear to have been completely
blown out, with little glass remaining around the frame. The side
windows on both the left and right sides of the truck have no exposure
to debris falling straight down, but some panes are almost completely
absent of glass.
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Some of those trucks were buried on yards of rubble, That would make
the glass go away. The were moved with claw-equipped cranes. Who knows
when the last bit of glass was knocked out. The trucks put in museums
probably had the last of the glass removed for safety reasons.
Only a k00k would look a broken windshield and leap to "beams: as an
explaination.
There were no beams at WTC on 9/11.
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Al Dykes
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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In article <2ab98ccb-873a-416b-9c9f-f93eb3fb9cb4@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 12:18 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <5a1d8028-06d3-4965-bf5a-552a09708...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 12:04 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <d36a9c8c-aa85-4168-9961-ae6ef947f...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
snip
Why should I believe people that won't explain their claims and answer
relevant questions in public?
Because the questions are often not relevant to the facts.
One of the facts in this case is the official story cannot explain the
high energy destruction of the twin towers.
None of the people that make that claim will speak in public and
answer relevant questions from relevant experts to defend their
claims.
Why should I believe them until they do?
Because at the end of the day you have to think for yourself.
I do. I do.
Nobody that claims that anything but two large commercial jets caused
all the destruction will speak in public. I have some very specific,
relevant questions for a couple of them based on my relevant
professional and job experience.
What are your questions?
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Me? I would like have a polite discussion with Scott Forbes, the
computer guy that claims there was a building-wide power-down of a WTC
building based on my 30 years of experience managing floor-sized bank
computer operations in large Manhattan buildings and participation
with two major construction projects in those buildings.
I know people with credentials in structural engineering, explosives,
metallurgy, aviation and video "special effects" that would love to
speak with the twoofers that speak of "no planes", and man-made
demolition at WTC.
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Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail |
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Iarnrod
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On Aug 19, 4:59 pm, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 20, 3:04 am,Iarnrod<iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm,Iarnrod<iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups..com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudyw....
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
Then why are there no dents on the roof of the firetruck?
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Easy. Nothing hit it.
Don't tell me you're a Judy Wood Miracle Particle Beams Fron Outer
Space Kook.
| Quote: | The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
What I find unusual is that the windows appear to have been completely
blown out, with little glass remaining around the frame.
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So?
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windows on both the left and right sides of the truck have no exposure
to debris falling straight down, but some panes are almost completely
absent of glass.
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So? What happened happened. Some stuff got struck, some didn't. This
is grade school stuff here. |
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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In article <5983a21e-6f7c-459a-b88c-99d8c5a5c331@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 20, 12:21 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <30323d01-ca3d-46a5-a29e-849ba26fe...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 20, 12:15 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <e7d574b8-cca2-4afc-81ee-6c82496b9...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows
They were too close to 100,000 tons of steel and concrete that fell as
much as 1,200 ft.
Nobody got a suntan at WTC on 9/11.
You haven't answered the question.
They were too close to 100,000 tons of steel and concrete that fell as
much as 1,200 ft.
How did the steel and concrete manage to completely broke the vertical
windows but not dent the the roof of the firetruck?
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Who what? I dunnno. Those trucks were covered in piles of rubble
when the towers collapsed. That might have something to do with it.
Nobody that invents the claims of "beams" that you parrot out of
ignorance will speak in public with relevant engineers, eyewitnesses
or eyewitness firemen.
The "truth Movement" has confused "asking questions" with making
unsubstantiated assertionsbased on false information phrased as
questions, and not listening to the polite responses and shouting
"Inside Job!" over a bullhorn, and selling books and DVDs to children.
To believe that something other than 4 hijacked airplanes caused all
the destruction on 9/11 is to look stupid and IMO, this is the real
purpose of the "Truth Movement", to make critics of the administration
look like idiots
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In article <89c2d7eb-2f2c-4dbf-9020-526b1347f8ac@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 20, 11:45 am, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:59:47 -0700 (PDT), colp <c...@solder.ath.cx
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On Aug 20, 3:04 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudyw...
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
Then why are there no dents on the roof of the firetruck?
Nothing fell directly on top of that firetruck?
Nothing substantial, anyway.
The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
What I find unusual is that the windows appear to have been completely
blown out, with little glass remaining around the frame. The side
windows on both the left and right sides of the truck have no exposure
to debris falling straight down, but some panes are almost completely
absent of glass.
You don't have a clue about the existence of a pressure wave during a
building collapse, do you?
A pressure wave is associated with a loud noise. Yet the major noise
associated with the destruction of the first tower occurred at the
start of its destruction, not when the debris hit the ground.
"Abruptly, there was an ear-splitting noise. The south tower shook,
seemed to list in one direction and them began to come down, imploding
upon itself."
http://www.asne.org/index.cfm?ID=3423#awakes
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Copl seems to be ignorant of the world, "sub-sonic".
Lots of people heard loud noises at WTC on 9/11. None of them say that
the noises were caused by man-made explosives.
There are no silent man-made explosives.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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In article <b8c58674-0964-449f-9d4b-3f09b2c8f7d2@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 20, 2:30 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <e96501d4-3170-4947-9f9f-4c010d403...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 20, 3:04 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudyw...
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
Then why are there no dents on the roof of the firetruck?
The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
What I find unusual is that the windows appear to have been completely
blown out, with little glass remaining around the frame. The side
windows on both the left and right sides of the truck have no exposure
to debris falling straight down, but some panes are almost completely
absent of glass.
Some of those trucks were buried on yards of rubble, That would make
the glass go away. The were moved with claw-equipped cranes. Who knows
when the last bit of glass was knocked out. The trucks put in museums
probably had the last of the glass removed for safety reasons.
The firetruck in the photos was not buried in yards of rubble.
Claw-equipped cranes wouldn't completely remove window glass.
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows
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And "beams", to the extent they do what you think they do, don't blow
out windows while leaving the rest of the truck more or less intact.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:44 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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In article <91777a00-b3ff-4809-a2de-280dea1b409c@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 20, 11:50 am, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:06:44 -0700 (PDT), colp <c...@solder.ath.cx
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Do you have anything other than circular reasoning to support your
claim?
Do you have anything other than imagination to support yours?
The paper The North Tower's Dust Cloud: Analysis of Energy
Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the
Collapse of 1 World Trade Center uses photographic evidence --
The authors like Jim Hoffman use the web and YouTube to make claims
that only people that are ignorant of the topic agree with.
The only ignorance that is relevant is ignorance of the the laws of
physics which describe the amount of energy necessary convert solid
concrete to fine powder, of ignorance of the standard kinematic
relationships.
And then, of course, there are people like you that are given a
citation to an explanation and only read a "couple of paragraphs".
let the author of that paper speak in public and make his claim to
people that have relevant expertise and lets hear the discussion.
Why? The relevant information is available in his paper.
http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/index.html
Too bad that the "information" in that paper is false, isn't it?
Hoffman is a software engineer who is writing about stuff that he
knows nothing about. He starts off with several erroneous
assumptions:
(1) All of the concrete in the building was pulverized.
(2) All of the dust came from the concrete.
(3) It took some kind of thermal reaction to push the cloud away from
the building.
All of these assumptions are wrong.
Technically true, but the error due to the assumptions does not
account for the disparity between the energy source and the energy
sinks.
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Ooohhh. copl uses big words he is clueless about.
None of the literal handful of people that make these claims that you
parrot out of ignorance and claim to really know about the laws of
thermodynamics awill speak in public to make their case and answer
polite, relevant questions about it.
Why should I believe them?
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