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 Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: John and arcb |
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JW "explained" to me part of the reason why he was here when I accepted his
invitation to join this group.
Something quite obvious just now hit me.
Probably 80% or more of the non arcb posts addressed to him are in direct
relation to his claims. He says something like "In the 90's the book of
Mormon changed a word in their book." and everybody researches based on his
claim and shows he is wrong, or right in one incidence.
Usually his insults are ignored or laughed at.
Here he is far more likely to be attacked personally for his behavior and
people respond far more often to his insults.
Yet he claimed he feels safer here.
Interesting.
Nothing wrong with being a masochist.
On the other hand maybe he does not want people to see how his brand of
Christianity works. A wise move. |
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Matt .
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:36:02 -0700, "Mike Painter"
<mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | JW "explained" to me part of the reason why he was here when I accepted his
invitation to join this group.
Something quite obvious just now hit me.
Probably 80% or more of the non arcb posts addressed to him are in direct
relation to his claims. He says something like "In the 90's the book of
Mormon changed a word in their book." and everybody researches based on his
claim and shows he is wrong, or right in one incidence.
Usually his insults are ignored or laughed at.
Here he is far more likely to be attacked personally for his behavior and
people respond far more often to his insults.
Yet he claimed he feels safer here.
Interesting.
Nothing wrong with being a masochist.
On the other hand maybe he does not want people to see how his brand of
Christianity works. A wise move.
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Well lately JW has joined with Chuck and Vera on ACC. That means
agree with everything they say or you are going to Hell. Vera says
she is the "Right hand of God" also has the Gift of Discernment and
Chuck is the Spin master. They both use deception if not all and all
lies.
My suggestion is to killfile all 3.
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walksalone
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: Re: John and arcb |
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"Mike Painter" <mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net>
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| Quote: | JW "explained" to me part of the reason why he was here when I
accepted his
invitation to join this group.
Something quite obvious just now hit me.
Probably 80% or more of the non arcb posts addressed to him are in
direct relation to his claims. He says something like "In the 90's the
book of Mormon changed a word in their book." and everybody researches
based on his claim and shows he is wrong, or right in one incidence.
Usually his insults are ignored or laughed at.
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Even funnier, have you noticed in his primary thread, enough people have
asked, now there seems to be a required number of people to enable him to
print out his fantasies. Of course people that have been in command of
others realize that it is nothing but an attempt to indicate his
superiority over others. Others must request him to provide information
that he can't wait to provide under normal circumstances. Normal for him
that is.
People that comprehend personal honor would never have to be asked to
back up their claims, and the majority cases it would be automatic. In a
more obvious cases, such as when dealing with people like Jonny, on
request.
walksalone who is temporarily off to more trivial and satisfying
pursuits.
Step one: Post off topic. Show total disregard for the purpose of the
comments section. Better still, post the exact same thing in the
comments section of several totally unrelated articles.
Step two: Make sure you give a gloss of politeness to your post.
Step three: Be sure not to actually read anything on the site, just
launch your attack. Do not seek answers, and do not question your own
position. You already know you're right; either of the above would
merely be matching wits with the Devil!
Step four: When you get a response, make sure you point out how
puzzled you are that they are not yet totally convinced. Be sure to
ask "why so much anger". Point out the character flaws which are
surely the cause of their incredulity. Do not engage any of the
points
raised, do not under any circumstances enter into real dialogue; then
repeat your original post as if nothing else has yet been added to
the
discussion.
Step five: If asked a direct question, ignore it. Accuse everyone
else
of not answering your questions.
Step six: If they are still not convinced, repeat steps four and
five.
Step seven: If anyone calls you up on any of our incoherence, poor
reasoning, dishonesty or blatant lies; ignore step two. Be sure to
whip yourself up into a self-righteous frenzy, bemoan the fact that
all you want is an honest discussion, to share opinions. Tell them
how much God loves them. Tell them they'll spend an eternity in Hell.
Step eight: Leave, never to be heard from again, shaking the
metaphorical dust from your metaphorical sandals as you go.
(If only we'd be so fortunate)
Ken <flakey714@aol.com> |
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walksalone
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Subject: Re: John and arcb
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:46:13 -0800, Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:36:02 -0700, "Mike Painter"
mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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| Quote: | Yet he claimed he feels safer here.
Interesting.
Nothing wrong with being a masochist.
On the other hand maybe he does not want people to see how his brand
of Christianity works. A wise move.
Well lately JW has joined with Chuck and Vera on ACC.
That is not true. I am in arcb.
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That is true, if a post of yourw dumps in ACC, then you are in ACC. it
would help if you knew the tools you try & manipulate others with. But
like your myth, you don't.
| Quote: | If posts from acc wander into arcb when someone cross-posts, I'll
respond if I wish to, and not be concerned with where the post
originated. If it's cross-posted, it's cross-posted. I didn't
originate the cross-posting; I'm merely responding to it.
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Which is why you wrote the following?
If you aren't smart enough to remove the cross-posting from your
newsgroups, how can you think you're bright enough to debate?
jw
Or waqs that when you thought, like now, you could debate?
| Quote: | So, Matt, you of good heart and kind soul, right out of the start
gate, you falsely accuse me.
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No, he calls it right on the money. It's a piss poor writer that can't
even use usenet right. Like your newsclient has to be disabled to avoid
telling you about crossposts. You sirrah are a liar & have been
informed of that fact before.
| Quote: | That means
agree with everything they say or you are going to Hell.
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Well, that's jw to a tee, & Vera, & chuck as well as a few others.
Extremely true & your attitude is a verification for the observation.
| Quote: | I have had several RECENT disagreement with Chuck (notably when he
suggested that he attends an "AoG" church, which I understand is
"pentecostal." I could not agree any less with pentecostal teaching,
and I told him that.
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BFD, you like to broke your neck getting into his bed. So, Chuck is
going to hell then?
| Quote: | Nor do I always agree with Vera.
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No one but you said you did.
| Quote: | So you need to find another way to attack me, Matt.
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The best way is your false teaching based on your lack of ability to
read the English language.
| Quote: | Try some honesty (it'll do you some good, I promise)
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No, he is trying it. You can't recognise it.
| Quote: | Vera says
she is the "Right hand of God"
I've never heard or read her saying that. If she has said that,
that's a comment I STRONGLY disagree with.
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For now, after all, that's your position.
| Quote: | You might want to stop and consider the SOURCE, Matt. Vera may be a
born again Christian (I don't know if you are even NOW). But she has
mental and emotional issues; in that regard, so do you.
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Yet, unlike you, he does not display conduct that he blames on his
mental problems. & no, there is no axiom that everyone has mental
problems other than you.
| Quote: | also has the Gift of Discernment and
Chuck is the Spin master.
How kind of you to call Chuck "The Spin Master."
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A title you can claim, after all, you demonstarte an inablility to
produce anything but straw & diversion more than any other regular
pozster to ARCB.
| Quote: | What you're doing right now is called "spinning." You're weaving
your version of fact and fiction together to get the result YOU
desire.
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Also one that fits the premise.
| Quote: | They both use deception if not all and all
lies.
My suggestion is to killfile all 3.
Well, I am certainly at this point considering kill filing you.
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You say that as if it's a bad thing, it's not. & you can't, remember.
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:27:29 -0800
Message-ID: <3ffln3t050l6gug4dtknrfi1hsdsr3l6lt@4ax.com>
There is an explanation for the above, if ANYBODY BOTHERED to ask,
and didn't PREFER to simply make up ugly stories.
I killfile. At least, that is my intention. However, I have not
learned to do it with the PROGRAM, so I am stuck making lists.
I either forget to put people on the list, or I forget to look at the
list.
| Quote: | I continue to have hope that Chuck and Vera will find their way.
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With you to guide them of ourse.
which wannabe this time johnnie, the one that forgets that not only is
he a well known liar, but crossposter as well.
walksalone who did notice, this post is addressed to a poster from ACC &
addressed to the Baptist group only. Nothing new for johnnie then?
I believe in entropy along with creation and a very young earth. Those
things I can see with my naked eyes!
John w
jw 08 Dec 2002
BTW, as usual, you missed the point, walks!
John W
On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:51:47 -0500, walksalone wrote:
| Quote: | In <op33vuk4r7hte4eb1r1qa880tknkpmi...@4ax.com>, on 12/07/02
at 08:51 AM, John W <john_weatherl...@yahoo.com> said:
Show me a REAL example of evolution: show me a frog being turned into a
princess, please!
T-H-A-T would be evolution!
Actually you old Catholic you that would disapproved evolution. Now, if
you were smart enough to figure that would not be an instantaneous event,
you might have something but you don't, as usual. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject: Re: John and arcb |
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On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
| Quote: | Drove about 100 miles to a town called Marysville last
sunday. It was a smaller Baptist Church very nice.
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Why would anyone want to drive "100 miles" in the kind of heat we've
been having through some of the worst traffic in the state to get to,
of all places, Marysville? |
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john w
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:46:13 -0800, Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com
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© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post |
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
| Quote: | On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:36:02 -0700, "Mike Painter"
mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JW "explained" to me part of the reason why he was here when I accepted his
invitation to join this group.
Something quite obvious just now hit me.
Probably 80% or more of the non arcb posts addressed to him are in direct
relation to his claims. He says something like "In the 90's the book of
Mormon changed a word in their book." and everybody researches based on his
claim and shows he is wrong, or right in one incidence.
Usually his insults are ignored or laughed at.
Here he is far more likely to be attacked personally for his behavior and
people respond far more often to his insults.
Yet he claimed he feels safer here.
Interesting.
Nothing wrong with being a masochist.
On the other hand maybe he does not want people to see how his brand of
Christianity works. A wise move.
Well lately JW has joined with Chuck and Vera on ACC.
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That is not true. I am in arcb.
If posts from acc wander into arcb when someone cross-posts, I'll
respond if I wish to, and not be concerned with where the post
originated. If it's cross-posted, it's cross-posted. I didn't
originate the cross-posting; I'm merely responding to it.
So, Matt, you of good heart and kind soul, right out of the start
gate, you falsely accuse me.
That means
| Quote: | agree with everything they say or you are going to Hell.
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Also not true.
I have had several RECENT disagreement with Chuck (notably when he
suggested that he attends an "AoG" church, which I understand is
"pentecostal." I could not agree any less with pentecostal teaching,
and I told him that.
Nor do I always agree with Vera.
So you need to find another way to attack me, Matt.
Try some honesty (it'll do you some good, I promise)
Vera says
| Quote: | she is the "Right hand of God"
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I've never heard or read her saying that. If she has said that,
that's a comment I STRONGLY disagree with.
You might want to stop and consider the SOURCE, Matt. Vera may be a
born again Christian (I don't know if you are even NOW). But she has
mental and emotional issues; in that regard, so do you.
also has the Gift of Discernment and
| Quote: | Chuck is the Spin master.
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How kind of you to call Chuck "The Spin Master."
What you're doing right now is called "spinning." You're weaving
your version of fact and fiction together to get the result YOU
desire.
They both use deception if not all and all
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My suggestion is to killfile all 3.
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Well, I am certainly at this point considering kill filing you.
I continue to have hope that Chuck and Vera will find their way.
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Matt .
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:04:38 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:46:13 -0800, Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com
wrote:
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:36:02 -0700, "Mike Painter"
mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JW "explained" to me part of the reason why he was here when I accepted his
invitation to join this group.
Something quite obvious just now hit me.
Probably 80% or more of the non arcb posts addressed to him are in direct
relation to his claims. He says something like "In the 90's the book of
Mormon changed a word in their book." and everybody researches based on his
claim and shows he is wrong, or right in one incidence.
Usually his insults are ignored or laughed at.
Here he is far more likely to be attacked personally for his behavior and
people respond far more often to his insults.
Yet he claimed he feels safer here.
Interesting.
Nothing wrong with being a masochist.
On the other hand maybe he does not want people to see how his brand of
Christianity works. A wise move.
Well lately JW has joined with Chuck and Vera on ACC.
That is not true. I am in arcb.
If posts from acc wander into arcb when someone cross-posts, I'll
respond if I wish to, and not be concerned with where the post
originated. If it's cross-posted, it's cross-posted. I didn't
originate the cross-posting; I'm merely responding to it.
So, Matt, you of good heart and kind soul, right out of the start
gate, you falsely accuse me.
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If so I apologize.
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That means
agree with everything they say or you are going to Hell.
Also not true.
I have had several RECENT disagreement with Chuck (notably when he
suggested that he attends an "AoG" church, which I understand is
"pentecostal." I could not agree any less with pentecostal teaching,
and I told him that.
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There are times I agree with Chuck. If I don't then I'm stupid or a
moron.
I don't actually know much about AoG or pentecostals. I was a
Southern Baptist most my life. I no longer belong to any one Church
but go to many and try to see what they are about normally with
friends. Drove about 100 miles to a town called Marysville last
sunday. It was a smaller Baptist Church very nice.
I should make a point of visiting one sometime.
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Nor do I always agree with Vera.
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Who does.
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So you need to find another way to attack me, Matt.
Try some honesty (it'll do you some good, I promise)
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I will try to take a step back. Find it helps at times. Received 2
hints in one day.
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Vera says
she is the "Right hand of God"
I've never heard or read her saying that. If she has said that,
that's a comment I STRONGLY disagree with.
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Well she has said so.
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You might want to stop and consider the SOURCE, Matt. Vera may be a
born again Christian (I don't know if you are even NOW). But she has
mental and emotional issues; in that regard, so do you.
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I am a Christian As for having mental and emotional issues, don't
think so but it is hard to judge yourself.
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also has the Gift of Discernment and
Chuck is the Spin master.
How kind of you to call Chuck "The Spin Master."
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Facts are Facts
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What you're doing right now is called "spinning." You're weaving
your version of fact and fiction together to get the result YOU
desire.
They both use deception if not all and all
lies.
My suggestion is to killfile all 3.
Well, I am certainly at this point considering kill filing you.
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That would work.
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I continue to have hope that Chuck and Vera will find their way.
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We can pray for them.
God Bless
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins." |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
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| Quote: | On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
Drove about 100 miles to a town called Marysville last
sunday. It was a smaller Baptist Church very nice.
Why would anyone want to drive "100 miles" in the kind of heat we've
been having through some of the worst traffic in the state to get to,
of all places, Marysville?
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I'm from Florida or lived there many many years. 90' is not that hot
to me. I'm wearing a sweatshirt today and it is around 70' My
neighbors were out wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
I live north of Marysville so not that bad traffic wise.
So I'm a little crazy.
God Bless
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
cover over a multitude of sins." |
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On Aug 19, 5:28 pm, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
I'm from Florida or lived there many many years. 90' is not that hot
to me. I'm wearing a sweatshirt today and it is around 70' My
neighbors were out wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
chuckle.
I'm from where (Washington, DC) it's not unusual for it to hit 110.
20 below zero is not unusual for the winter.
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You're so full of baloney. Here's what the truth is about Washington
DC's weather:
"The highest recorded temperature was 106 °F on July 20, 1930 and
August 6, 1918. Summers tend to be hot and humid, with daily high
temperatures in July and August averaging in the high 80s °F. The
lowest recorded temperature was -15 °F (-26.1 °C) on February 11,
1899, during the Great Blizzard of 1899. Average winter lows tend to
be around 30 °F from mid-December to mid-February. The city averages
36.7 days hotter than 90 °F, and only 64.4 nights below freezing."
Wanna try again? Or do you wanna be the guy who when told something
will always come up with another something that beats what the other
guy said? You're a chronic liar and one-upper, John.
| Quote: | So for me, while 90 (Seattle) isn't comfortable, I've been WAY
hotter.
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Riiiiight...you've been there and done it all and no one will ever be
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On Aug 19, 6:57 pm, "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Kelly> wrote:
On Aug 19, 5:28 pm, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
I'm from Florida or lived there many many years. 90' is not that
hot to me. I'm wearing a sweatshirt today and it is around 70' My
neighbors were out wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
chuckle.
I'm from where (Washington, DC) it's not unusual for it to hit 110..
20 below zero is not unusual for the winter.
You're so full of baloney. Here's what the truth is about Washington
DC's weather:
"The highest recorded temperature was 106 °F on July 20, 1930 and
August 6, 1918. Summers tend to be hot and humid, with daily high
temperatures in July and August averaging in the high 80s °F. The
lowest recorded temperature was -15 °F (-26.1 °C) on February 11,
1899, during the Great Blizzard of 1899. Average winter lows tend to
be around 30 °F from mid-December to mid-February. The city averages
36.7 days hotter than 90 °F, and only 64.4 nights below freezing."
Wanna try again? Or do you wanna be the guy who when told something
will always come up with another something that beats what the other
guy said? You're a chronic liar and one-upper, John.
So for me, while 90 (Seattle) isn't comfortable, I've been WAY
hotter.
Riiiiight...you've been there and done it all and no one will ever be
able to top you, will they John?
Well he was just kidding and you can't understand simple things and what he
meant was that on July 20, 1930 and August 6, 1918, had it been a few
degrees hotter it would not have been unusual for it to be *near* 110 on
those days and besides why are you always saying it is not a rose?
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:07:05 -0800, Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com
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| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:04:38 -0700, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:46:13 -0800, Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com
wrote:
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
may be used anywhere else without written permission of the author.
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:36:02 -0700, "Mike Painter"
mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
JW "explained" to me part of the reason why he was here when I accepted his
invitation to join this group.
Something quite obvious just now hit me.
Probably 80% or more of the non arcb posts addressed to him are in direct
relation to his claims. He says something like "In the 90's the book of
Mormon changed a word in their book." and everybody researches based on his
claim and shows he is wrong, or right in one incidence.
Usually his insults are ignored or laughed at.
Here he is far more likely to be attacked personally for his behavior and
people respond far more often to his insults.
Yet he claimed he feels safer here.
Interesting.
Nothing wrong with being a masochist.
On the other hand maybe he does not want people to see how his brand of
Christianity works. A wise move.
Well lately JW has joined with Chuck and Vera on ACC.
That is not true. I am in arcb.
If posts from acc wander into arcb when someone cross-posts, I'll
respond if I wish to, and not be concerned with where the post
originated. If it's cross-posted, it's cross-posted. I didn't
originate the cross-posting; I'm merely responding to it.
So, Matt, you of good heart and kind soul, right out of the start
gate, you falsely accuse me.
If so I apologize.
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It is so, and I accept your apology. The ONLY "team" I am on, is --
hopefully-- God's team.
Where Vera and I agree/ and where Chuck and I agree, on doctrine, on
theology, and on dogma, then... fine! "We're on the same team."
When you see me being silent (and you falsely assume I'm in 100 %
agreement with one or the other), it's MANY times that I do NOT agree,
but
1 I have many other things to deal with at the moment (most of the
time), like my writing, my photography, looking for "supplemental"
income
2 I prefer to not get into the "gory and gritty" any more than I can
help.
For some reason, it seems like the best way to KILL a conversation is
for me to get into it.
Seems no matter what the topic, if there are 20 people discussing it,
I can jump in, say my 10 words, and SUDDENLY, "KA - BOOOOOOOOM!" the
conversation suddenly turns to / ON ME!
That is NOT my intent, so I stay OUT of more discussions than I join.
Very purposefully
3. I do not wish to attack people in PUBLIC even if I disagree.
So I don't comment MUCH. Much less than I would normally (say, in the
hallway of my building, or on the public street)
I am VERY aware that any time I add my 2 cents to a discussion, it's
VERY likely that the discussion will end "on a dime" right there, and
EVERYONE will be climbing my back.
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That means
agree with everything they say or you are going to Hell.
Also not true.
I have had several RECENT disagreement with Chuck (notably when he
suggested that he attends an "AoG" church, which I understand is
"pentecostal." I could not agree any less with pentecostal teaching,
and I told him that.
There are times I agree with Chuck. If I don't then I'm stupid or a
moron.
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Ok. More on that. "Excellent observation." I tend to be VERY blunt.
That has been discussed to exhaustion. If yo don't know, I am bi-polar
("the secret is out") < being sarcastic.
If I comment at all, (if I disagree) it's very likely to come across
like I'm swinging a baseball bat.
Sorry, but that's me.
I do not mean to suggest that you are ALWAYS, no matter the topic,
no matter the time of day, ALWAYS a drooling idiot.
I mean to say, "On this topic, today, at this moment, """ Good
GRIEF!, MATT!!!!!"
Kindly take it as a Local, Specific reference to the topic at hand,
and not a universal declaration.
If you missed it, Chuck and I had words TODAY and they were not
nice words.
Vera and I have RECENTLY had words.
I don't play favorites.
And as I told someone yesterday (the day before?), someone I had just
told off a day or two earlier, and then was nice to the next day.
They said something like, "John, make up your mind! Yesterday, I was
a drooling idiot; today, I'm "ok." Which is it, John?"
I said, "Yesterday, I had a point to make; I made it (their comment
proved that)
Then it was bedtime (literally). I got up, it was a NEW DAY.
They did / said something I liked THAT day (we'll say yesterday).
For the comments they made that I AGREED with, I said so.
Don't get confused that my behavior on Wednesday is going to reflect
my behavior on Tuesday.
I try to "sweep the floor clean" each evening, and start the next day
fresh, with a clean floor.
If you choose to throw 5 pounds of dirt on my floor that day, then
we have a new ball game.
Does that make sense? Jesus called it "forgiveness." And He said we
are to constantly be about "forgiveness."
He was asked, "Oh, Lord! Do I forgive 7 times?" Jesus said, "EEEEE!
You are to forgive 70 X 7."
So why is it, every time I forgive XXX < person on Monday after they
were a jerk on Tuesday, I'm called "two-faced?" I "can't make up my
mind?"
I'm struggling (yes, it's a struggle) to be obedient-- as I
understand it.
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I don't actually know much about AoG or pentecostals. I was a
Southern Baptist most my life.
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^ ^ ^ ???? I was Southern Baptist the first half of my life!
Mom was a preacher's kid! Granddad was a Southern Baptist ordained
pastor!
"Small world." And you have given me fresh reason to like you!
I no longer belong to any one Church
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friends. Drove about 100 miles to a town called Marysville last
sunday. It was a smaller Baptist Church very nice.
I should make a point of visiting one sometime.
Nor do I always agree with Vera.
Who does.
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^ ^ ^ Roll on the ground, laughing my ass off.
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So you need to find another way to attack me, Matt.
Try some honesty (it'll do you some good, I promise)
I will try to take a step back. Find it helps at times. Received 2
hints in one day.
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Reading over this post, something I frequently do NOT do with you
(for reasons we've discussed)
I think -- like MANY-- you fall into this pit: You read A and you
read F, and you "fill in with B, C, D, and E."
Don't "fill in." Don't make assumptions.
You make a LOT of assumptions (as do many, as do I)
Do what Paul taught in 1 Cor 13.
Assume the BEST, not the WORST.
Believe the BEST, not the worst.
If someone is calling Bob Wilson (invented person) a little piece of
what we scrape off our shoe (or worse, they say "shit") don't jump in
with your 2 centavos, unless-- at that very moment-- you know
PERSONALLY that what's been said is "arrow straight" and "plumb bob
true."
You haev numerous times commented with me, "John, I think what
everyone in arcb says about you is true. You're ____________."
Bear in mind, what 99.999999999 % of these losers think or say is not
even in my vocabulary.
Think for yourself; don't let the wrong crowd "suck you in."
There's a story about Abe Lincoln (one of my few real heroes).
He held a cabinet meeting. Some 20 to 30 of the most powerful, most
influential man and women in the world were sitting at his desk.
But he was President, and they were advisers.
He let them talk and talk and talk. Each had his say.
When it was all discussed, he called for a vote.
However many men were there-- let's say 25-- every single one voted
in one block. "No!"
Lincoln listened, then voted. "I vote Yes." Then he said, "The Yes
vote" (his) carries."
For all the rhetoric (is this making sense?), the only vote that
mattered, was his.
Don't be afraid to stand against the mob. RARELY is the mob "right."
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Vera says
she is the "Right hand of God"
I've never heard or read her saying that. If she has said that,
that's a comment I STRONGLY disagree with.
Well she has said so.
You might want to stop and consider the SOURCE, Matt. Vera may be a
born again Christian (I don't know if you are even NOW). But she has
mental and emotional issues; in that regard, so do you.
I am a Christian As for having mental and emotional issues, don't
think so but it is hard to judge yourself.
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^ ^ ^ ^You've said something important.
As for your declaration, I'm going to assume you are "born again."
If you say it's so, I have no choice but believe you, until you
act/say otherwise.
The important thing you said was "It's hard to judge yourself' (your
own mental health). How true. That's what "psych evals" are for. I've
had many. Had one very recently.
When you find you are wobbling, and you need the support of 1 or 2
or 5 or 20 or 50 others so you "don't feel so conspicuous", you are
suffering ego weakness. You find yourself "insufficient." Adults
should feel "complete", "self-contained" (you don't need anyone's
approval), self-confident. The only "strong arm" we should need to
shout for is God's.
Wisdom: When you don't know, "find out." In the meantime (until you
KNOW), it's wise to withhold judgment or comment.
When YOU get angry, you grab the nearest chunk of rhetoric that you
think will "make a dent." "Since everyone ELSE in the group
thinks....."
Don't do that. Think for yourself.
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also has the Gift of Discernment and
Chuck is the Spin master.
How kind of you to call Chuck "The Spin Master."
Facts are Facts
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Well, since I said that, I've done more reading RE: Chuck. We're
(you and I) are getting closer on that one.
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What you're doing right now is called "spinning." You're weaving
your version of fact and fiction together to get the result YOU
desire.
They both use deception if not all and all
lies.
My suggestion is to killfile all 3.
Well, I am certainly at this point considering kill filing you.
That would work.
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For that last comment, I apologize. I've now seen a new side of you.
Be you a jerk or a gremlin or a schlepp, if you call Christ your Lord
and Savior, I have to try to be nice to you.
I call for a "fresh start."
All in favor,
"I second."
It's been moved and carried. Matt and John W get a fresh start.
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I continue to have hope that Chuck and Vera will find their way.
We can pray for them.
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I certainly hope you mean that; also please pray for me.
You have just showed me Christianity. "Pray for and bless your
enemies."
You've also just hit ME upside the head with a much - deserved brick.
I am bleeding, and I thank you for it. (sincerely)
God bless.
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God Bless
Matt
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:46:46 -0800, Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com
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| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:32:58 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"
316kcbk@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
Drove about 100 miles to a town called Marysville last
sunday. It was a smaller Baptist Church very nice.
Why would anyone want to drive "100 miles" in the kind of heat we've
been having through some of the worst traffic in the state to get to,
of all places, Marysville?
I'm from Florida or lived there many many years. 90' is not that hot
to me. I'm wearing a sweatshirt today and it is around 70' My
neighbors were out wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
I live north of Marysville so not that bad traffic wise.
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chuckle.
I'm from where (Washington, DC) it's not unusual for it to hit 110.
20 below zero is not unusual for the winter.
So for me, while 90 (Seattle) isn't comfortable, I've been WAY
hotter.
(note those who wish to superimpose their views / and life experience
on you; and don't let them)
john w
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So I'm a little crazy.
God Bless
Matt
"My brothers, if one of you should wander from
the truth and someone should bring him back,
remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the
error of his way will save him from death and
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:46:13 -0800, Matt . <trdell1234@nospamgmail.com
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:36:02 -0700, "Mike Painter"
mddotpainter@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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Yet he claimed he feels safer here.
Interesting.
Nothing wrong with being a masochist.
On the other hand maybe he does not want people to see how his brand
of Christianity works. A wise move.
Well lately JW has joined with Chuck and Vera on ACC.
That is not true. I am in arcb.
That is true, if a post of yourw dumps in ACC, then you are in ACC.
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I disagree.
it
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I know how to delete the groups from my post. That I choose not to
is not any concern of yours. That I choose to not use those tools does
not mean that I don't know how.
But
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If posts from acc wander into arcb when someone cross-posts, I'll
respond if I wish to, and not be concerned with where the post
originated. If it's cross-posted, it's cross-posted. I didn't
originate the cross-posting; I'm merely responding to it.
Which is why you wrote the following?
If you aren't smart enough to remove the cross-posting from your
newsgroups, how can you think you're bright enough to debate?
jw
Or waqs that when you thought, like now, you could debate?
So, Matt, you of good heart and kind soul, right out of the start
gate, you falsely accuse me.
No, he calls it right on the money. It's a piss poor writer that can't
even use usenet right. Like your newsclient has to be disabled to avoid
telling you about crossposts. You sirrah are a liar & have been
informed of that fact before.
That means
agree with everything they say or you are going to Hell.
Well, that's jw to a tee, & Vera, & chuck as well as a few others.
Also not true.
Extremely true & your attitude is a verification for the observation.
I have had several RECENT disagreement with Chuck (notably when he
suggested that he attends an "AoG" church, which I understand is
"pentecostal." I could not agree any less with pentecostal teaching,
and I told him that.
BFD, you like to broke your neck getting into his bed. So, Chuck is
going to hell then?
Nor do I always agree with Vera.
No one but you said you did.
So you need to find another way to attack me, Matt.
The best way is your false teaching based on your lack of ability to
read the English language.
Try some honesty (it'll do you some good, I promise)
No, he is trying it. You can't recognise it.
Vera says
she is the "Right hand of God"
I've never heard or read her saying that. If she has said that,
that's a comment I STRONGLY disagree with.
For now, after all, that's your position.
You might want to stop and consider the SOURCE, Matt. Vera may be a
born again Christian (I don't know if you are even NOW). But she has
mental and emotional issues; in that regard, so do you.
Yet, unlike you, he does not display conduct that he blames on his
mental problems. & no, there is no axiom that everyone has mental
problems other than you.
also has the Gift of Discernment and
Chuck is the Spin master.
How kind of you to call Chuck "The Spin Master."
A title you can claim, after all, you demonstarte an inablility to
produce anything but straw & diversion more than any other regular
pozster to ARCB.
What you're doing right now is called "spinning." You're weaving
your version of fact and fiction together to get the result YOU
desire.
Also one that fits the premise.
They both use deception if not all and all
lies.
My suggestion is to killfile all 3.
Well, I am certainly at this point considering kill filing you.
You say that as if it's a bad thing, it's not. & you can't, remember.
Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:27:29 -0800
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There is an explanation for the above, if ANYBODY BOTHERED to ask,
and didn't PREFER to simply make up ugly stories.
I killfile. At least, that is my intention. However, I have not
learned to do it with the PROGRAM, so I am stuck making lists.
I either forget to put people on the list, or I forget to look at the
list.
I continue to have hope that Chuck and Vera will find their way.
With you to guide them of ourse.
which wannabe this time johnnie, the one that forgets that not only is
he a well known liar, but crossposter as well.
walksalone who did notice, this post is addressed to a poster from ACC &
addressed to the Baptist group only. Nothing new for johnnie then?
I believe in entropy along with creation and a very young earth. Those
things I can see with my naked eyes!
John w
jw 08 Dec 2002
BTW, as usual, you missed the point, walks!
John W
On Sat, 07 Dec 2002 08:51:47 -0500, walksalone wrote:
In <op33vuk4r7hte4eb1r1qa880tknkpmi...@4ax.com>, on 12/07/02
at 08:51 AM, John W <john_weatherl...@yahoo.com> said:
Show me a REAL example of evolution: show me a frog being turned into a
princess, please!
T-H-A-T would be evolution!
Actually you old Catholic you that would disapproved evolution. Now, if
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On Aug 19, 10:30 pm, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 18:10:07 -0700 (PDT), "<Kelly>"<316k...@gmail.com> wrote:
© 2008 John D Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this post
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On Aug 19, 5:28 pm, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
I'm from Florida or lived there many many years. 90' is not that hot
to me. I'm wearing a sweatshirt today and it is around 70' My
neighbors were out wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
chuckle.
I'm from where (Washington, DC) it's not unusual for it to hit 110..
20 below zero is not unusual for the winter.
You're so full of baloney. Here's what the truth is about Washington
DC's weather:
"The highest recorded temperature was 106 °F on July 20, 1930 and
August 6, 1918. Summers tend to be hot and humid, with daily high
temperatures in July and August averaging in the high 80s °F. The
lowest recorded temperature was -15 °F (-26.1 °C) on February 11,
1899, during the Great Blizzard of 1899. Average winter lows tend to
be around 30 °F from mid-December to mid-February. The city averages
36.7 days hotter than 90 °F, and only 64.4 nights below freezing."
Wanna try again? Or do you wanna be the guy who when told something
will always come up with another something that beats what the other
guy said? You're a chronic liar and one-upper, John.
You just never quit, do you?
First, I "lied" about Metropolitan Baptist, then I "lied" about my
time in England, then I "Lied" about the photographs!
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Yep. You lie alot.
| Quote: | I just don't get that you spend all this time checking on me!
Or you pretend you do.
What I did is called "commenting."
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What you did is called lying so that you could have a bigger story to
tell than someone else. It's called "one-upmanship" and you are the
crowned prince of it.
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Oh, I'll likely keep reading them just to check to see how many more
lies you tell. Are you giving up so darn easily about the weather in
Washington, DC, John? I mean, really - no challenges to the weather
facts I posted. No claims of "making a joke"?
I'm surprised at you, John. :-(
| Quote: | So for me, while 90 (Seattle) isn't comfortable, I've been WAY
hotter.
Riiiiight...you've been there and done it all and no one will ever be
able to top you, will they John?
If you say so.
By the way, Ms Kelly, smartest darn person in this here Universe,
the links you posted didn't go to the photos I took. I'm disappointed,
because if those photos are really in the "playbill" that you LIED and
said were in it, I would get credit.
And, [ guffaw ], the person you're calling the black "Willie
Weatherly" is Dobie Gray.
chuckle.
You are that STUPID that you don't know Dobie Gray when you see him?
Roll on the ground, laughing my ass off.
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Sorry, John - but you are wrong yet again. The other guy in the afro
is Willie Weatherly. Nice try, but still no cigar.
| Quote: | AGAIN, if you PRETENDED to be a Christian occasionally, you wouldn't
be wasting so much time trying (in vain) to prove I lied about
something.
You're a liar, Kelly. Google proves that FACT. You're a liar, and
you're psychotic.
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Oh, John. Just take a look at the responses I made to you in the
other thread where you continue to claim that Willie Weatherly, whom
you claim played "Claude" (even though it was Ted Neeley who had the
role of Claude) in Hair is your brother. Well...he *is* a "brother",
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<Kelly> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 5:28 pm, john w <j<no>@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, Matt . <trdell1...@nospamgmail.com > wrote:
I'm from Florida or lived there many many years. 90' is not that
hot to me. I'm wearing a sweatshirt today and it is around 70' My
neighbors were out wearing shorts and a t-shirt.
chuckle.
I'm from where (Washington, DC) it's not unusual for it to hit 110.
20 below zero is not unusual for the winter.
You're so full of baloney. Here's what the truth is about Washington
DC's weather:
"The highest recorded temperature was 106 °F on July 20, 1930 and
August 6, 1918. Summers tend to be hot and humid, with daily high
temperatures in July and August averaging in the high 80s °F. The
lowest recorded temperature was -15 °F (-26.1 °C) on February 11,
1899, during the Great Blizzard of 1899. Average winter lows tend to
be around 30 °F from mid-December to mid-February. The city averages
36.7 days hotter than 90 °F, and only 64.4 nights below freezing."
Wanna try again? Or do you wanna be the guy who when told something
will always come up with another something that beats what the other
guy said? You're a chronic liar and one-upper, John.
So for me, while 90 (Seattle) isn't comfortable, I've been WAY
hotter.
Riiiiight...you've been there and done it all and no one will ever be
able to top you, will they John?
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Well he was just kidding and you can't understand simple things and what he
meant was that on July 20, 1930 and August 6, 1918, had it been a few
degrees hotter it would not have been unusual for it to be *near* 110 on
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