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Whore of Babylon
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A 1800s Russian engraving depicting the Whore of Babylon riding the
seven-headed Beast.The Whore of Babylon is one of several Christian and
Rastafarian allegorical figures of supreme evil mentioned in the Book of
Revelation in the Bible. The Whore is associated with the Antichrist and the
Beast of Revelation by connection with an equally allegorical kingdom.
The Whore's apocalyptic downfall is prophesied to take place in the hands of
the beast with seven heads and ten horns. There is much speculation within
all religious perspectives on what the Whore and Beast symbolize as well as
the possible implications for contemporary interpretations.
Rome and the Roman Empire
Many Bible scholars agree that "Babylon" is an allegory of Rome; perhaps
specifically at the time to some aspect of Rome's rule (brutality, greed,
paganism), or even a servant people that does the bidding of Rome. The Roman
Catholic commentary of the Jerusalem Bible, the evangelical Protestant
commentary of the New International Version Study Bible, the Rastafarians
and the liberal Protestant commentary of the Oxford Annotated Study Bible
all concur that "Babylon is the symbolic name for Rome" and that (1st
century) "Rome" is the "type of place where evil is supreme" (Jerusalem
Bible, commentary to Rev. 17).
Elsewhere in the New Testament, in 1 Peter 5:13; "Babylon" is possibly used
to refer to Rome. This is bolstered by the remark in Rev. 17:9 that she sits
on "seven mountains"(the King James Version Bible-the New International
Version Bible uses the words "seven hills"), which could be the seven hills
of Rome. "Rome" would therefore be the 'new Babylon' and all of the
symbolism characterizing Babylon as a wanton "whore," would be transferable
to Rome, according to this view.
There are a number of smaller symbolic clues that some see as suggesting a
link between Rome and Babylon - the Roman Empire in its military occupation
of Palestine, its repression of the Jewish nation and religion, its
destruction of Jerusalem following Jewish revolts in 70 AD and 135 AD, and
its persecution of Christians, would lend meaning to the imagery of the
'whore, drunk with the blood of martyrs,' as a wantonly violent and
bloodthirsty entity.
In Rastafarian ideology both Babylon and Rome are also equated with this
modern world in which we live. The Rastas have popularized the name Babylon
to refer to what they see as the fundamentally evil modern society. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:53 am Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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Drunk on the blood of the martyrs and saints...the city on 7 hills
duke wrote:
| Quote: | Whore of Babylon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A 1800s Russian engraving depicting the Whore of Babylon riding the
seven-headed Beast.The Whore of Babylon is one of several Christian and
Rastafarian allegorical figures of supreme evil mentioned in the Book of
Revelation in the Bible. The Whore is associated with the Antichrist and the
Beast of Revelation by connection with an equally allegorical kingdom.
The Whore's apocalyptic downfall is prophesied to take place in the hands of
the beast with seven heads and ten horns. There is much speculation within
all religious perspectives on what the Whore and Beast symbolize as well as
the possible implications for contemporary interpretations.
Rome and the Roman Empire
Many Bible scholars agree that "Babylon" is an allegory of Rome; perhaps
specifically at the time to some aspect of Rome's rule (brutality, greed,
paganism), or even a servant people that does the bidding of Rome. The Roman
Catholic commentary of the Jerusalem Bible, the evangelical Protestant
commentary of the New International Version Study Bible, the Rastafarians
and the liberal Protestant commentary of the Oxford Annotated Study Bible
all concur that "Babylon is the symbolic name for Rome" and that (1st
century) "Rome" is the "type of place where evil is supreme" (Jerusalem
Bible, commentary to Rev. 17).
Elsewhere in the New Testament, in 1 Peter 5:13; "Babylon" is possibly used
to refer to Rome. This is bolstered by the remark in Rev. 17:9 that she sits
on "seven mountains"(the King James Version Bible-the New International
Version Bible uses the words "seven hills"), which could be the seven hills
of Rome. "Rome" would therefore be the 'new Babylon' and all of the
symbolism characterizing Babylon as a wanton "whore," would be transferable
to Rome, according to this view.
There are a number of smaller symbolic clues that some see as suggesting a
link between Rome and Babylon - the Roman Empire in its military occupation
of Palestine, its repression of the Jewish nation and religion, its
destruction of Jerusalem following Jewish revolts in 70 AD and 135 AD, and
its persecution of Christians, would lend meaning to the imagery of the
'whore, drunk with the blood of martyrs,' as a wantonly violent and
bloodthirsty entity.
In Rastafarian ideology both Babylon and Rome are also equated with this
modern world in which we live. The Rastas have popularized the name Babylon
to refer to what they see as the fundamentally evil modern society. |
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athair ambrois
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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On Aug 10, 2:04 pm, "JCarew" <oth...@prodigy.net> wrote:
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Most people don't realize that Vatican City, built
squarely on Vatican Hill, isn't one of the seven
hills for which Rome is famous!
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Neither do most people realise that the Headquarters of the Roman
Catholic Church is built on the Hill of Sorcerers - Mons Vaticanus. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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On Aug 9, 10:37 pm, athair ambrois <em...@globe.net.nz> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 10, 2:04 pm, "JCarew" <oth...@prodigy.net> wrote:
Most people don't realize that Vatican City, built
squarely on Vatican Hill, isn't one of the seven
hills for which Rome is famous!
Neither do most people realise that the Headquarters of the Roman
Catholic Church is built on the Hill of Sorcerers - Mons Vaticanus.
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Since most usually realize that the reason for the "headquarters"
location is because it is over the tomb of St. Peter; this is unlike
many others that were simply built on actual pagan former holy places
and temples...like the Hagia Sophia for one. |
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athair ambrois
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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On Aug 10, 2:59 pm, AbAete...@hush.com wrote:
| Quote: | Neither do most people realise that the Headquarters of the Roman
Catholic Church is built on the Hill of Sorcerers - Mons Vaticanus.
Since most usually realize that the reason for the "headquarters"
location is because it is over the tomb of St. Peter;
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Does anyone know why Saint Peter was buried in what was in those days
one of Rome' notorious districts where prostitutes and magicians and
fortunetellers lived and plied their trades? |
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JCarew
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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JMJ
<Digimortal@starpower.net> wrote in message news:96efecc
| Quote: | Drunk on the blood of the martyrs and saints...the city on 7 hills
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Vatican City is not built on one of the "seven hills
of Rome":
Quote from "Pope Fiction" on the location of
Vatican City in relation to the "seven hills
of Rome"
Most people don't realize that Vatican City, built
squarely on Vatican Hill, isn't one of the seven
hills for which Rome is famous! Unfortunately for
the fevered anti-Catholic theories that Dave Hunt
and others traffic in, the Catholic Church's
headquarters "Vatican City" sits on the other side
of the Tiber river, and not on any of the seven
hills(see note,jc). The Tiber formed a natural
boundary for the city limits of ancient Rome. The
seven hills were on one side, snug inside the city
walls. Vatican Hill sat across the river, in sight
of the old city, but not technically part of it
so close but yet so far.
Source: "Pope Fiction", by Patrick Madrid,
(Fiction #7), ISBN 0-9642610-0-6, copyright
1999 Basilica Press, page 103.
Note: The "seven hills of Rome" consist of
the Quirinal, Viminal, Esquiline, Caelian,
Aventine, Palatine, and Capitoline hills
Jim Carew sfo
| Quote: | duke wrote:
Whore of Babylon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A 1800s Russian engraving depicting the Whore of Babylon riding the
seven-headed Beast.The Whore of Babylon is one of several Christian and
Rastafarian allegorical figures of supreme evil mentioned in the Book of
Revelation in the Bible. The Whore is associated with the Antichrist and
the
Beast of Revelation by connection with an equally allegorical kingdom.
The Whore's apocalyptic downfall is prophesied to take place in the hands
of
the beast with seven heads and ten horns. There is much speculation
within
all religious perspectives on what the Whore and Beast symbolize as well
as
the possible implications for contemporary interpretations.
Rome and the Roman Empire
Many Bible scholars agree that "Babylon" is an allegory of Rome; perhaps
specifically at the time to some aspect of Rome's rule (brutality, greed,
paganism), or even a servant people that does the bidding of Rome. The
Roman
Catholic commentary of the Jerusalem Bible, the evangelical Protestant
commentary of the New International Version Study Bible, the Rastafarians
and the liberal Protestant commentary of the Oxford Annotated Study Bible
all concur that "Babylon is the symbolic name for Rome" and that (1st
century) "Rome" is the "type of place where evil is supreme" (Jerusalem
Bible, commentary to Rev. 17).
Elsewhere in the New Testament, in 1 Peter 5:13; "Babylon" is possibly
used
to refer to Rome. This is bolstered by the remark in Rev. 17:9 that she
sits
on "seven mountains"(the King James Version Bible-the New International
Version Bible uses the words "seven hills"), which could be the seven
hills
of Rome. "Rome" would therefore be the 'new Babylon' and all of the
symbolism characterizing Babylon as a wanton "whore," would be
transferable
to Rome, according to this view.
There are a number of smaller symbolic clues that some see as suggesting
a
link between Rome and Babylon - the Roman Empire in its military
occupation
of Palestine, its repression of the Jewish nation and religion, its
destruction of Jerusalem following Jewish revolts in 70 AD and 135 AD,
and
its persecution of Christians, would lend meaning to the imagery of the
'whore, drunk with the blood of martyrs,' as a wantonly violent and
bloodthirsty entity.
In Rastafarian ideology both Babylon and Rome are also equated with this
modern world in which we live. The Rastas have popularized the name
Babylon
to refer to what they see as the fundamentally evil modern society. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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But it sure is drunk on the blood of Jews, Muslims as well as many
other Christians!
duke wrote:
nothing worth repeating |
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Digimortal@starpower.net
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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Yep, something good over something bad...right Duckboy?
AbAete...@hush.com wrote:
| Quote: | Since most usually realize that the reason for the "headquarters"
location is because it is over the tomb of St. Peter; this is unlike
many others that were simply built on actual pagan former holy places
and temples...like the Hagia Sophia for one. |
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Aug 10, 2:04 pm, "JCarew" <oth...@prodigy.net> wrote:
Most people don't realize that Vatican City, built
squarely on Vatican Hill, isn't one of the seven
hills for which Rome is famous!
Neither do most people realise that the Headquarters of the Roman
Catholic Church is built on the Hill of Sorcerers - Mons Vaticanus.
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***I thought it was Mons Venus!! ;-)
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duke
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Whore of Babylon |
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:04:51 -0700, "JCarew" <othmer@prodigy.net> wrote:
| Quote: | JMJ
Digimortal@starpower.net> wrote in message news:96efecc
Drunk on the blood of the martyrs and saints...the city on 7 hills
Vatican City is not built on one of the "seven hills
of Rome":
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digitwit is absolutely too ignorant to understand that.
duke, American-American
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duke
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On Sat, 9 Aug 2008 19:37:26 -0700 (PDT), athair ambrois <emrys@globe.net.nz>
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| Quote: | On Aug 10, 2:04 pm, "JCarew" <oth...@prodigy.net> wrote:
Most people don't realize that Vatican City, built
squarely on Vatican Hill, isn't one of the seven
hills for which Rome is famous!
Neither do most people realise that the Headquarters of the Roman
Catholic Church is built on the Hill of Sorcerers - Mons Vaticanus.
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Something good out of something bad. It's God's way.
duke, American-American
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Pope Paul VI
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:g7ktkq$kj8$1@aioe.org...
| Quote: | Whore of Babylon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Revelations 17 fits Catholicism and Christianity like a glove. |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message news:g7ktkq$kj8$1@aioe.org...
Whore of Babylon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Revelations 17 fits Catholicism and Christianity like a glove.
PeterT
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The Revelations is a dream by a guy on the island of Patmos.
duke, American-American
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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Whore of Babylon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Revelations 17 fits Catholicism and Christianity like a glove.
PeterT
The Revelations is a dream by a guy on the island of Patmos.
Revelations is written by people in hiding on Patmos from |
the tyrant Christian Pauline movement. After they violently
wiped out Christs original group, (refer Acts), Pauls henchmen
went onto to form Roman Christianity...and as history provides
the violence didn't end there!
Revelations original authors wrote it in poetic language so
that only those who had the secrete code that Jesus spoke
of, could understand its prophetic agenda, later in history.
The fact that Catholics have always been advised to
take NO notice of revelations speak volumes.
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In article <P_Lqk.29771$IK1.22831@news-server.bigpond.net.au>, "Peter
Terry" <mombassa@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:50:52 GMT, "Peter Terry" <mombassa@yahoo.com
wrote:
"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:g7ktkq$kj8$1@aioe.org...
Whore of Babylon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Revelations 17 fits Catholicism and Christianity like a glove.
PeterT
The Revelations is a dream by a guy on the island of Patmos.
Revelations is written by people in hiding on Patmos from
the tyrant Christian Pauline movement. After they violently
wiped out Christs original group, (refer Acts), Pauls henchmen
went onto to form Roman Christianity...and as history provides
the violence didn't end there!
Revelations original authors wrote it in poetic language so
that only those who had the secrete code that Jesus spoke
of, could understand its prophetic agenda, later in history.
The fact that Catholics have always been advised to
take NO notice of revelations speak volumes.
PeterT
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** Behold ye another revelation: There is No NT book titled Revelations.
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R.L. Measures. 805-386-3734, www.somis.org |
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