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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:39:19 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
<pdwright42@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 27, 5:48 pm, Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 07:47:13 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 26, 6:22 pm, Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:04:19 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 25, 7:56 pm, Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
pdwrigh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Jul 25, 7:30 am, Liz <ehu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:15 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t...@nospam.xxx> wrote:
Liz wrote:
On Jul 24, 2:32 pm, Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Bill Donahue has already called for PZ's ouster from the university.
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1465
“A formal complaint against Myers has already been made. What he did—
in both word and deed—constitutes a bias incident, as defined by the
University of Minnesota. The policy says that ‘Expressions of
disrespectful bias, hate, harassment or hostility against an
individual, group or their property because of the individual or
group’s actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion…can be forms
of discrimination. Expressions vary, and can be in the form of
language, words, signs, symbols, threats, or actions that could
potentially cause alarm, anger, fear, or resentment in others…even
when presented as a joke.’
“The University must now take action and apply the appropriate
sanction. We are contacting the president, Board of Regents and the
Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Office at the school, as well
as Minnesota’s governor and both houses of the state legislature; the
Catholic community in Minnesota is also being contacted. Moreover, we
are also contacting Muslim groups nationwide.
“It is important for Catholics to know that the University of
Minnesota will not tolerate the deliberate destruction of the
Eucharist by one of its faculty. Just as African Americans would not
tolerate the burning of a cross, and Jews would not tolerate the
display of swastikas, Catholics will not tolerate the desecration of
the Eucharist.”
But, it seems, Catholic will tolarate the burning of a desecrator.
I makes me wonder if PZ actually desecrated a consecrated host or
merely a pre-transubstantiated wafer bought from his local chuch
supply store. And who could tell the difference?
Liz #658
That catholic league noise sounds so very Islamist. A very small step
from rioting in the streets and burning things. Maybe they can wave
Kalashnikovs in the air too.
Time for some cartoons of the pope with a cracker in his headgear.
I think it would be funnier if the cartoon were of Bill Donahue with
steam coming out of his ears -- sort of like that electrocuted pickle.
Liz #658
Someone explain to me the differance between the Muslims going ape
shit over some cartoons and the Cathlicks going ape shit over a
cracker? I just don't get it.
The Muslims rioted and killed people and the Catholics did not?
Yet?
I mean, they could...
Nice rationalization.
Nope. The cath'liks could.
Actually, yes. I mean, they could, but when was the last time
Catholics rioted and killed people over a blog posting or a cartoon?
I dunno about a cartoon, but this whole thread is about them going
apeshit over a cracker.
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Have they rioted and killed people whilst going apeshit over a fucking
cracker?
| Quote: | They (And other xtrians) have before, and could again.
They key word being could.
Yeah... Just let them gain control.
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org>, Message ID:
<FcGdnfHnSalRVxXVnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@earthlink.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
| Quote: | It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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The Great Desecration
Category: Godlessness • Religion
Posted on: July 24, 2008 2:00 PM, by PZ Myers
It is finished.
I wonder how many of our Catholic friends have heard of the Fourth
Lateran Council of 1215? This is the event where many of their important
dogmas were codified, including the ideas of Extra Ecclesiam nulla
salus, that the Eucharist was the sacrament that only properly ordained
priests of the Catholic church could give, and that the Jews were a
pariah people, who could hold no public office, had to pay a special Jew
tax for their right to exist, and were required to wear special clothing
to distinguish them from Christians. The yellow badge marking the Juden
was not an invention of the Nazis, but a decree by faithful Catholics in
the Middle Ages. That's an interesting juxtaposition, that a symbol of
Christian exceptionalism was formalized at the same time that they
formally decreed the Jews to be inferior, and a target of hatred.
That combination was useful, too. Declare something cheap, disposable,
and common to be imbued with magic by the words of a priest, and the
trivial becomes a powerful token to inflame the mob — why, all you have
to do is declare a bit of bread to be the most powerful and desirable
object in the world, and even if it isn't, you can pretend that the evil
other is scheming to deprive the faithful of it. Now you could invent
stories of Jews and witches taking the communion host to torture, to
make Jesus suffer even more, and good Catholics would of course rise in
horror to defend their salvation. None of the stories were true, of
course — Jews and infidels see no power at all in those little crackers,
and the idea that they were obsessing over obtaining a non-sacred,
powerless, pointless relic is ludicrous — but heck, it's a cheap excuse
to make accusations illustrated by cheesy woodcuts of hook-nosed Jews
hammering nails into communion wafers and lurid tales of blood-spurting
crackers and hosts that pulsed like and beating heart, and thereby
providing a pretext to encourage massacres.
The first recorded accusation was made in 1243 at Berlitz, near
Berlin. As a consequence all the Jews of Berlitz were burned on the
spot, which was subsequently called Judenberg. Another famous case that
took place in 1290, in Paris, was commemorated in the Church of the Rue
des Billettes and in a local confraternity. In 1370 in Brussels, the
charge of host desecration, long celebrated in a special fest and
depicted in artistic relics in the Church of St. Gudule, led to the
extermination of the Jews of the city. The case of 1337, at Deggendorf,
still celebrated locally as "Deggendorf Gnad", led to a series of
massacres across the region. In 1510, at Knoblauch, near Berlin, 38 Jews
were executed and more expelled from Brandenburg. The alleged host
desecration in 1410, at Segovia, was said to have brought about an
earthquake, and as a result, the local synagogue was confiscated and
leading Jews were executed; the event continues to be celebrated as a
local feast of Corpus Christi. Similar accusations, resulting in
extensive persecution of Jews, were brought forward in 1294, at Laa,
Austria; 1298, at Röttingen, near Würzburg, and at Korneuburg, near
Vienna; 1299, at Ratisbon; 1306, at St. Pölten; 1325, at Cracow; 1330,
at Güstrow; 1338, at Pulkau; 1388, at Prague; 1399, at Posen; 1401, at
Glogau; 1420, at Ems; 1453, at Breslau; 1478, at Passau; 1492, at
Sternberg, in Mecklenburg-Schwerin; 1514, at Mittelberg, in Alsace;
1558, at Sochaczew, in Poland. The last Jew burned for stealing a host
died in 1631, according to Jacques Basnage, quoting from Manasseh b.
Israel. Casimir IV. of Poland (1447).
That is the true power of the cracker, this silly symbol of
superstition. Fortunately, Catholicism has mellowed with age — the last
time a Catholic nation rose up to slaughter its non-Christian citizenry
was a whole 70 years ago, after all — but the sentiment still lingers.
Catholicism has been actively poisoning the minds of its practitioners
with the most amazing bullshit for years, and until recently, I had no
idea that a significant number of people actually believed this
nonsense, or that the hatred was still simmering there, waiting for an
opportunity to rise up in misplaced defense of absurdity.
All of the regular readers have seen it — thousands of mindless comments
by Catholics, demanding that no harm come to a cracker. My email is
melting down with swarms of insults, threats, pleas, and promises of
prayers because I threatened to violate one of their holy crackers. In
my years of loud and often inflammatory blogging, it is the most
impressive demonstration of mass lunacy I have ever seen.
Mark Sutton is representative of the majority of my email. No threats,
at least, but instead he simply takes for granted an astonishing piece
of insanity.
Professor Myers,
I was saddened to hear of your plans to harm our Lord Jesus Christ.
It obviously isn't the first time and it won't be the last.
I know you do not believe, but what if it truly is Jesus that you
are attempting to hurt?
You are in my prayers.
You would not believe how many people are writing to me, insisting that
these horrible little crackers (they look like flattened bits of
styrofoam) are literally pieces of their god, and that this omnipotent
being who created the universe can actually be seriously harmed by some
third-rate liberal intellectual at a third-rate university (the
diminution of my vast powers is also a common theme).
Jim Nicholson cranks up the crazy even more. Not many accused me of
being a freemason — I've got lots that call me a Jew, which is
illuminating given the history of this issue — and I cringe at the
thought of a circumcised heart. But yeah, this kind of angry rant is
fairly common, too.
You must be the devil himself as even he knows the power in the Holy
Eucharist (don't you dare disparage the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity
of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ by calling Him Who died for you a
cracker!). You must be a freemason, or just a very sick man who needs
healing and believe me, I will pray for your conversion. Pray you live
to see that day so you can ask Him to forgive you and your uncircumcised
heart. Just the mere thought of desecrating the Holy Eucharist is enough
to get one into hell, but, maybe that is, for now, the horrible place
you are aiming for. I dare you to read about Our Lady of Fatima and the
accounts of hell as the three children saw, then, maybe you will change
you sick mind. God forgive you. However, it was great that you got many
people praying for your conversion since you showed the world how sick
you are, and maybe God will convert your hard heart. Pity you. From a
lay evangelist who prays for you and the rest of this sick world of
secular humanists.
Another common theme has been the attempt to turn away the desecration
of a Catholic symbol into the desecration of an Islamic symbol.
Obviously, it's not desecration they find disagreeable — it's the idea
that someone would offend their weird sectarian sensibilities. Here's
one from Jack Isaacks that fits the mold.
Dear Professor Meyers,
If you REALLY want to do a courageous, revolutionary act, defecate
publicly on a copy of the Quran.
Or do you have the cojones?
Christians won't attack you for desecrating a host, but will those
wonderful cuddly peace-loving Muslims be as forbearing if you used their
book for a toilet?
Well, how brave are you?
Yeah, right. Catholics won't attack me, but Muslims will. Never mind
that the Catholic League demands that I be fired, thousands of Catholics
write to me demanding I be kicked out of the university immediately, and
that they send me death threats, both the explicit kind and the vaguely
menacing kind. Let's not forget Webster Cook, who started this all by
simply walking back to his seat with a cracker, and now faces censure
and possible expulsion from his university. Oh, those Catholics sure are
forbearing and tolerant.
And since I mentioned yesterday that I was taking my oldest son to the
movies, these good Catholics have leapt to the opportunity. Since I'm
not demonstrating any fear over their threats against me, well hey,
let's try a new target! KJ Atkins of Bellarmine University thinks
cowardly warnings against my family might be effective.
You fool, the vengeance for your sacrilege will not be . exhausted
against you, but it will be carried out on your child. Wait and see.
Oh, I'm sorry, KJ. I'm only impressed by significant material concerns,
and yours and other slanders against my family (I'm looking at you, Miki
Tracy, the despicable person who thinks making up lies about my father
might be persuasive) are not going to convince me of anything other than
that religion breeds the most disgustingly vile haters in our country,
and that Catholicism fits right in with the rest. I will note, however,
that since Bill Donohue tried to get CAIR to join him in his crusade, I
have gotten no email from outraged Muslims, over a span of time in which
I've received thousands of Catholic hate mail messages.
If you want to see the deep danger of religion, you have to read this
comment from Isaac.
As a Christian it is an insult for anyone to call my beliefs stupid
shit. I have respected every religion and every idea for years.
Ah, what a beautiful illustration of the complete open mind — utterly
undiscriminating, lacking any criteria for acceptance, simply blissfully
and uncritically according every idea his full respect. Although, of
course, it's also a lie: Isaac does not regard every idea as equally
deserving, since he clearly considers the atheist idea that the
sacraments of his faith are empty foolishness to be an outrage. Rather,
what he loves is the idea that everyone else must respect his beliefs,
no matter what they are, and that any disagreement is an insult. This is
exactly the kind of uncritical, unskeptical, nonjudgmental idiocy all
religions seek to promulgate, because they all know that if we tore off
the blinders of tradition and artificiality and mindless etiquette, we'd
see right through their lies. Respect every idea! Especially mine! And
if you find the idea that this cracker is a god stupid, why, you must be
disrespectful and no gentleman!
For even deeper inanity, let's not forget the Catholic blogs! We're
talking some serious derangement there: look at Mark Shea's reaction.
I won't mince words. Myers is an evil man. And as evil men,
particularly evil intellectuals, tend to be, he is also a mad man as are
most of his acolytes and followers.
Myers and Co. are enmeshed in these lies because they have chosen
evil. It is evil--archetypally evil--to desecrate the Eucharist. It's
the sort of stuff archetypal bad guys in the movies do. It's completely
unnecessary gratuitous evil.
To the Mark Shea's of the world, I would say…it's just a cracker.
I think if I were truly evil, I would have to demand that all of my
acolytes be celibate, but would turn a blind eye to any sexual
depravities they might commit. If I wanted to be an evil hypocrite, I'd
drape myself in expensive jeweled robes and live in an ornate palace
while telling all my followers that poverty is a virtue. If I wanted to
commit world-class evil, I'd undermine efforts at family planning by the
poor, especially if I could simultaneously enable the spread of deadly
diseases. And if I wanted to be so evil that I would commit a
devastating crime against the whole of the human race, twisting the
minds of children into ignorance and hatred, I would be promoting the
indoctrination of religion in children's upbringing, and fomenting
hatred against anyone who dared speak out in defiance.
I'm sorry to say that I only aspire to be a teeny-tiny bit evil, and my
target is a handful of virtually inedible crackers in my possession.
It's not much, and all I can say in my defense is…it's a start. A very
small start. I'm going to need lots and lots of people to rise up and
follow suit, subjecting old, dishonest institutions of hardened dogma to
our chief weapon of ridicule and deris…our two weapons of ridicule,
derision and laughter…no, three weapons of ridicule, derision, laughter,
and skeptici…oh, never mind. You know what I mean. Get to work.
OK, time for the anticlimax. I know some of you have proposed intricate
plans for how to do horrible things to these crackers, but I repeat…it's
just a cracker. I wasn't going to make any major investment of time,
money, or effort in treating these dabs of unpleasantness as they
deserve, because all they deserve is casual disposal. However, inspired
by an old woodcut of Jews stabbing the host, I thought of a simple,
quick thing to do: I pierced it with a rusty nail (I hope Jesus's
tetanus shots are up to date). And then I simply threw it in the trash,
followed by the classic, decorative items of trash cans everywhere, old
coffeegrounds and a banana peel. My apologies to those who hoped for
more, but the worst I can do is show my unconcerned contempt.
desecrated.jpg
By the way, I didn't want to single out just the cracker, so I nailed it
to a few ripped-out pages from the Qur'an and The God Delusion. They are
just paper. Nothing must be held sacred. Question everything. God is not
great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any charismatic
prophet. You are all human beings who must make your way through your
life by thinking and learning, and you have the job of advancing
humanity's knowledge by winnowing out the errors of past generations and
finding deeper understanding of reality. You will not find wisdom in
rituals and sacraments and dogma, which build only self-satisfied
ignorance, but you can find truth by looking at your world with fresh
eyes and a questioning mind.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
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stoney, on 17 Aug 2008, in alt.atheism, decided this was a worthy use of a
keyboard:
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| Quote: | It is 'just a fucking cracker' which myriad folks
consider to be magically delicious!
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I am deeply ashamed that I didn't think of that one. Well scampered, sir!
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| Quote: | Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
alt.atheism military veteran #11
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:11:01 -0500, Daniel Kolle
<Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com>, Message ID:
<ai2j84dbebna2r9pvrc3ahps48s4bav9ad@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
| Quote: | On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:01:30 -0400, Bill Baker
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
On Thursday 24 July 2008 11:30 pm Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com
wrote in message news:<l5ii849vrfs4vtl8os0bd016487cjqbggm@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Great. Wonderful. Now can we shut the fuck up about it?
Only if the Catholics will.
How childish. "I will if you will!" This whole bunch of nonsense
certainly shows us that a cracker is not, in fact, just a fucking
cracker.
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Oh, but it does! It is 'just a fucking cracker' which myriad folks
consider to be magically delicious! Ritual cannibalism and vampireism.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
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On 27 Jul 2008 03:06:40 GMT, Rockinghorse Winner
<rockinghorse@deadtime.com>, Message ID:
<slrng8nphp.7ga.rockinghorse@deadtime.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
| Quote: | In alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic, Bill Baker had the audacity to say that:
blah, blah blah.
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Translation: Bill Baker had the audacity to say items Rockinghorse
Whiner couldn't deal with.
Good thing you shat yourself downwind.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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On Sun, 27 Jul 2008 16:47:22 -0700 (PDT), skeptic griggsy
<lamberthml@hughes.net>, Message ID:
<f5778bd1-b7ae-40fb-a2d8-c5bf62cf57ba@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
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| Quote: | On Jul 24, 6:57 pm, MarkA <t...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Nice essay. And, a very good quote for a future sig:
God is not great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any
charismatic prophet. You are all human beings who must make your way
through your life by thinking and learning, and you have the job of
advancing humanities' knowledge by winnowing out the errors of past
generations and finding deeper understanding of reality. You will not find
wisdom in rituals and sacraments and dogma, which build only
self-satisfied ignorance, but you can find truth by looking at your world
with fresh eyes and a questioning mind.
PZ Myers
24JUL08
PZ Myers, a biologist of some note.
--
MarkA
Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
About eight o'clock
PZ Meyers knows, contrary to Eugenie C. Scott, that the weight of
evidence [ Paul Draper] shows no cosmic telology, so she is ever so
wrong to bray that we who note that against theistic evolution and
that evolution does show no designer. She wants to placate
creationists.
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They'll never be 'placated.'
| Quote: | The wafers as part of the Eucharist are a mystery with the
Trinity, the Atonement and such that they surround the great mystery,
God, who is supposed to be the First Cause [ explanation] , but is
only a pseudo-explanation explaining only God did it, so
unimformative!
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And so much bullshit.
| Quote: | Hypotheses should be simple, conservative [ in line
with what we know], predictive and have scope, of which the God-
explantion is none.
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You're too kind about it.
| Quote: | It is the mere pareidolia of seeing a caring,super
mind behind Existence like seeing Yeshua in a tortilla.It is
Feurbach's projection. It is just a mere feeling which acts as a
placebo and thus can be postive or even negative.
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Its positively negative.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
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On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 11:15:43 -0400, MarkA <nobody@nowhere.com>, Message
ID: <pan.2008.07.26.15.15.41.657210@nowhere.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
| Quote: | On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:44:45 -0700, Bob Officer wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:57:17 -0400, in alt.abortion, MarkA
toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Nice essay. And, a very good quote for a future sig:
God is not great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any
charismatic prophet. You are all human beings who must make your way
through your life by thinking and learning, and you have the job of
advancing humanities' knowledge by winnowing out the errors of past
generations and finding deeper understanding of reality. You will not find
wisdom in rituals and sacraments and dogma, which build only
self-satisfied ignorance, but you can find truth by looking at your world
with fresh eyes and a questioning mind.
PZ Myers
24JUL08
PZ Myers, a biologist of some note.
he is also a kook.
--
Bob Officer
""Finally, it would be very mean-spirited of anyone to insist that because
I don't believe in any gods that my kids aren't allowed to participate in
any festivities. They quite enjoy the part where you build a wicker man
in the backyard and incinerate one of the local woo-woos. And I appreciate
the way the screams scare all the bible-thumpers and salesman away from
my door." -PZ Myers, a fine, upstanding bigot.
I'd rather have him influencing public policy than that uber-kook, the
Pope.
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The Papa-Nazi.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:22 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
<pdwright42@yahoo.com>, Message ID:
<92f9bd02-a33e-4e67-84c1-5f227176407f@j1g2000prb.googlegroups.com> wrote
in alt.atheism;
| Quote: | On Jul 25, 7:30 am, Liz <ehu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
On Jul 24, 10:15 pm, Preventer of Work <not_t...@nospam.xxx> wrote:
Liz wrote:
On Jul 24, 2:32 pm, Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Bill Donahue has already called for PZ's ouster from the university.
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1465
“A formal complaint against Myers has already been made. What he did—
in both word and deed—constitutes a bias incident, as defined by the
University of Minnesota. The policy says that ‘Expressions of
disrespectful bias, hate, harassment or hostility against an
individual, group or their property because of the individual or
group’s actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion…can be forms
of discrimination. Expressions vary, and can be in the form of
language, words, signs, symbols, threats, or actions that could
potentially cause alarm, anger, fear, or resentment in others…even
when presented as a joke.’
“The University must now take action and apply the appropriate
sanction. We are contacting the president, Board of Regents and the
Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Office at the school, as well
as Minnesota’s governor and both houses of the state legislature; the
Catholic community in Minnesota is also being contacted. Moreover, we
are also contacting Muslim groups nationwide.
“It is important for Catholics to know that the University of
Minnesota will not tolerate the deliberate destruction of the
Eucharist by one of its faculty. Just as African Americans would not
tolerate the burning of a cross, and Jews would not tolerate the
display of swastikas, Catholics will not tolerate the desecration of
the Eucharist.”
But, it seems, Catholic will tolarate the burning of a desecrator.
I makes me wonder if PZ actually desecrated a consecrated host or
merely a pre-transubstantiated wafer bought from his local chuch
supply store. And who could tell the difference?
Liz #658
That catholic league noise sounds so very Islamist. A very small step
from rioting in the streets and burning things. Maybe they can wave
Kalashnikovs in the air too.
Time for some cartoons of the pope with a cracker in his headgear.
I think it would be funnier if the cartoon were of Bill Donahue with
steam coming out of his ears -- sort of like that electrocuted pickle.
Liz #658
Someone explain to me the differance between the Muslims going ape
shit over some cartoons and the Cathlicks going ape shit over a
cracker? I just don't get it.
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Difference? None. Both are mental toddlers going apeshit over bronze
age stupidstition.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:12:54 -0700 (PDT), Spartakus
<spartakus@my-deja.com>, Message ID:
<ba17c10b-e4a4-4def-80dc-b635939a9e14@z11g2000prl.googlegroups.com>
wrote in alt.atheism;
| Quote: | Liz <ehu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Bill Donahue has already called for PZ's ouster from the university.
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1465
“A formal complaint against Myers has already been made. What he did—
in both word and deed—constitutes a bias incident, as defined by the
University of Minnesota.
The U of M does indeed have a policy against "bias behavior" (for lack
of a better term), but since Professor Myers performed his act of
"desecration" off university property and on his own time, there's not
much they can do about it.
Isn't it IRONIC and AMUSING that Bill Donohue hides behind Political
Correctness when it suits him?
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When it comes to superstition-irony abounds. If such could be 'mined'
there will never be a shortage of steel.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:33:16 -0700 (PDT), "Syd M."
<pdwright42@yahoo.com>, Message ID:
<f67b66ee-a78e-4596-baa1-769c9ee7ac0d@y22g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
wrote in alt.atheism;
| Quote: | On Jul 25, 7:32 am, Liz <ehu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
On Jul 24, 11:12 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Liz <ehu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Bill Donahue has already called for PZ's ouster from the university.
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1465
“A formal complaint against Myers has already been made. What he did—
in both word and deed—constitutes a bias incident, as defined by the
University of Minnesota.
The U of M does indeed have a policy against "bias behavior" (for lack
of a better term), but since Professor Myers performed his act of
"desecration" off university property and on his own time, there's not
much they can do about it.
Isn't it IRONIC and AMUSING that Bill Donohue hides behind Political
Correctness when it suits him?
I have never found Mr. Donahue amusing. I imagine he prays every
night that he will be able to restore the Inquisition.
Liz #658
I would not doubt it, the amount of noise he makes.
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Good. Then he can be his own first victim.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:44:45 -0700, Bob Officer <bobofficers@127.0.0.7>,
Message ID: <q5ik84hhv7f97l9hfsj63484qdc84k3bce@4ax.com> wrote in
alt.atheism;
| Quote: | On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 18:57:17 -0400, in alt.abortion, MarkA
toor@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Nice essay. And, a very good quote for a future sig:
God is not great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any
charismatic prophet. You are all human beings who must make your way
through your life by thinking and learning, and you have the job of
advancing humanities' knowledge by winnowing out the errors of past
generations and finding deeper understanding of reality. You will not find
wisdom in rituals and sacraments and dogma, which build only
self-satisfied ignorance, but you can find truth by looking at your world
with fresh eyes and a questioning mind.
PZ Myers
24JUL08
PZ Myers, a biologist of some note.
he is also a kook.
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Mr. Meyers is correct. Your projection is noted.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:06:52 -0700 (PDT), panamfloyd@hotmail.com,
Message ID:
<781270b0-0194-4f4c-96ad-633c14937ea0@a21g2000prf.googlegroups.com>
wrote in alt.atheism;
| Quote: | On Jul 24, 2:32 pm, Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
I feel like having a beer and listening to a tune...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Lehrer
Lehrer has commented that he doubts his songs had any real effect on
those not already critical of the establishment: "I don't think this
kind of thing has an impact on the unconverted, frankly. It's not even
preaching to the converted; it's titillating the converted... I'm fond
of quoting Peter Cook, who talked about the satirical Berlin cabarets of
the '30s, which did so much to stop the rise of Hitler and prevent the
Second World War."[4]
In 2003 he commented that his particular brand of political satire is
more difficult in the modern world: "The real issues I don't think most
people touch. The Clinton jokes are all about Monica Lewinsky and all
that stuff and not about the important things, like the fact that he
wouldn't ban landmines... I'm not tempted to write a song about George
W. Bush. I couldn't figure out what sort of song I would write. That's
the problem: I don't want to satirise George Bush and his puppeteers, I
want to vaporise them."[5] In a phone call to Gene Weingarten of the
Washington Post in February 2008, Lehrer instructed Weingarten to "Just
tell the people that I am voting for Obama."[13]
/end excerpt
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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bam
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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"stoney" <stoney@the.net> wrote in message
news:cjrga4p6smhlj3boue5a49ancm2oef39fj@4ax.com...
| Quote: | On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:11:01 -0500, Daniel Kolle
Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com>, Message ID:
ai2j84dbebna2r9pvrc3ahps48s4bav9ad@4ax.com> wrote in alt.atheism;
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 03:01:30 -0400, Bill Baker
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
On Thursday 24 July 2008 11:30 pm Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Kolle@gmail.com
wrote in message news:<l5ii849vrfs4vtl8os0bd016487cjqbggm@4ax.com>...
On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker
wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Great. Wonderful. Now can we shut the fuck up about it?
Only if the Catholics will.
How childish. "I will if you will!" This whole bunch of nonsense
certainly shows us that a cracker is not, in fact, just a fucking
cracker.
Oh, but it does! It is 'just a fucking cracker' which myriad folks
consider to be magically delicious! Ritual cannibalism and vampireism.
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If it's just a cracker, why didn't this punk go to the store and buy a box
of them?
Don't reply - the answer is obvious.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:52:30 +0000, DuhIdiot
<jmSasPhbAurMn@windstream.net>, Message ID:
<Xns9AFDA252C52BBjmashburnwindstreamn@208.49.80.253> wrote in
alt.atheism;
| Quote: | stoney, on 17 Aug 2008, in alt.atheism, decided this was a worthy use of a
keyboard:
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It is 'just a fucking cracker' which myriad folks
consider to be magically delicious!
I am deeply ashamed that I didn't think of that one. Well scampered, sir!
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Thank you, kindly.
Stoney
"Designated Rascal and Rapscallion
and
SCAMPERMEISTER!"
When in doubt, SCAMPER about!
When things are fair, SCAMPER everywhere!
When things are rough, can't SCAMPER enough!
/end humour alert
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