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Bill Baker
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 Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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Geoff Lane
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:03 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
| Quote: | It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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Sadly, all this shows is that some members of the catholic church are little
better than that idiot family that causes so much sadness at the burials of
soldiers.
Does anybody respect the beliefs of a 40-year old who still believes in
Santa Claus? (A character for which there is more evidence than any god.)
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Liz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:41 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Jul 24, 2:32 pm, Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
| Quote: | It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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Bill Donahue has already called for PZ's ouster from the university.
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1465
“A formal complaint against Myers has already been made. What he did—
in both word and deed—constitutes a bias incident, as defined by the
University of Minnesota. The policy says that ‘Expressions of
disrespectful bias, hate, harassment or hostility against an
individual, group or their property because of the individual or
group’s actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion…can be forms
of discrimination. Expressions vary, and can be in the form of
language, words, signs, symbols, threats, or actions that could
potentially cause alarm, anger, fear, or resentment in others…even
when presented as a joke.’
“The University must now take action and apply the appropriate
sanction. We are contacting the president, Board of Regents and the
Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Office at the school, as well
as Minnesota’s governor and both houses of the state legislature; the
Catholic community in Minnesota is also being contacted. Moreover, we
are also contacting Muslim groups nationwide.
“It is important for Catholics to know that the University of
Minnesota will not tolerate the deliberate destruction of the
Eucharist by one of its faculty. Just as African Americans would not
tolerate the burning of a cross, and Jews would not tolerate the
display of swastikas, Catholics will not tolerate the desecration of
the Eucharist.”
But, it seems, Catholic will tolarate the burning of a desecrator.
I makes me wonder if PZ actually desecrated a consecrated host or
merely a pre-transubstantiated wafer bought from his local chuch
supply store. And who could tell the difference?
Liz #658 |
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Spartakus
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:09 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
I put my tuppence worth in, at comment #1079.
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They're up to more than a thousand comments???
How about my boy from Morris, Minnesota, eh? Almost makes me forget
Norm Coleman. |
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Spartakus
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:12 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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Liz <ehu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Bill Donahue has already called for PZ's ouster from the university.
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1465
“A formal complaint against Myers has already been made. What he did—
in both word and deed—constitutes a bias incident, as defined by the
University of Minnesota.
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The U of M does indeed have a policy against "bias behavior" (for lack
of a better term), but since Professor Myers performed his act of
"desecration" off university property and on his own time, there's not
much they can do about it.
Isn't it IRONIC and AMUSING that Bill Donohue hides behind Political
Correctness when it suits him? |
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The Chief Instigator
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:43 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
| Quote: | It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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I put my tuppence worth in, at comment #1079.
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Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Rockford 5, Houston 2 (April 25)
NEXT GAME: The 2008-09 season opener in early October |
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MarkA
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:57 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker wrote:
| Quote: | It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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Nice essay. And, a very good quote for a future sig:
God is not great, Jesus is not your lord, you are not disciples of any
charismatic prophet. You are all human beings who must make your way
through your life by thinking and learning, and you have the job of
advancing humanities' knowledge by winnowing out the errors of past
generations and finding deeper understanding of reality. You will not find
wisdom in rituals and sacraments and dogma, which build only
self-satisfied ignorance, but you can find truth by looking at your world
with fresh eyes and a questioning mind.
PZ Myers
24JUL08
PZ Myers, a biologist of some note.
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Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before
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*nemo*
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:00 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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Bill Baker wrote:
| Quote: | It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
About bloody time. Get some of that holy wine now and pour it down the |
toilet.
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Charter member, SMASH!!
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phillip brown
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Jul 25, 1:12 pm, Spartakus <sparta...@my-deja.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Liz <ehu...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Bill Donahue has already called for PZ's ouster from the university.
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1465
“A formal complaint against Myers has already been made. What he did—
in both word and deed—constitutes a bias incident, as defined by the
University of Minnesota.
The U of M does indeed have a policy against "bias behavior" (for lack
of a better term), but since Professor Myers performed his act of
"desecration" off university property and on his own time, there's not
much they can do about it.
Isn't it IRONIC and AMUSING that Bill Donohue hides behind Political
Correctness when it suits him?
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because he would never post anything that was an "expression of
disrespectful bias, hate, harassment or hostility against an
individual, group or their property because of the individual or
group’s actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion".
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1450
Ok. maybe he would. But being catholic he's part of an oppressed
minority, so that makes it alright.
phillip brown |
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Llanzlan Klazmon
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Jul 25, 6:32 am, Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
Brilliant irony! PZ rulz.
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http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:06 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Jul 24, 2:32 pm, Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
| Quote: | It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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I feel like having a beer and listening to a tune...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f72CTDe4-0
-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
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EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain
Religious societies are *less* moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html |
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Preventer of Work
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 7:15 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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Liz wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 24, 2:32 pm, Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Bill Donahue has already called for PZ's ouster from the university.
http://www.catholicleague.org/release.php?id=1465
“A formal complaint against Myers has already been made. What he did—
in both word and deed—constitutes a bias incident, as defined by the
University of Minnesota. The policy says that ‘Expressions of
disrespectful bias, hate, harassment or hostility against an
individual, group or their property because of the individual or
group’s actual or perceived race, color, creed, religion…can be forms
of discrimination. Expressions vary, and can be in the form of
language, words, signs, symbols, threats, or actions that could
potentially cause alarm, anger, fear, or resentment in others…even
when presented as a joke.’
“The University must now take action and apply the appropriate
sanction. We are contacting the president, Board of Regents and the
Equal Opportunity and Affirmative Action Office at the school, as well
as Minnesota’s governor and both houses of the state legislature; the
Catholic community in Minnesota is also being contacted. Moreover, we
are also contacting Muslim groups nationwide.
“It is important for Catholics to know that the University of
Minnesota will not tolerate the deliberate destruction of the
Eucharist by one of its faculty. Just as African Americans would not
tolerate the burning of a cross, and Jews would not tolerate the
display of swastikas, Catholics will not tolerate the desecration of
the Eucharist.”
But, it seems, Catholic will tolarate the burning of a desecrator.
I makes me wonder if PZ actually desecrated a consecrated host or
merely a pre-transubstantiated wafer bought from his local chuch
supply store. And who could tell the difference?
Liz #658
That catholic league noise sounds so very Islamist. A very small step |
from rioting in the streets and burning things. Maybe they can wave
Kalashnikovs in the air too.
Time for some cartoons of the pope with a cracker in his headgear. |
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Daniel Kolle
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 8:30 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker
<wbaker@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
| Quote: | It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
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Great. Wonderful. Now can we shut the fuck up about it?
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Daniel "Mister Brevity" Kolle
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The Chief Instigator
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:14 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:09:01 -0700 (PDT), Spartakus <spartakus@my-deja.com> wrote:
| Quote: | The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
Bill Baker <wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
I put my tuppence worth in, at comment #1079.
They're up to more than a thousand comments???
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When I started putting mine up, the latest one showing had been #998...and
in the time it took me to get mine put together and posted, eighty more came
in ahead of me. (Too bad we can't put Pope Ratzi on a wafer, though.)
| Quote: | How about my boy from Morris, Minnesota, eh? Almost makes me forget
Norm Coleman.
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You mean the Morris that's barely an hour's drive from where a certain
spouse of mine was born and raised in South Dakota?
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www.io.com/~patrick/aeros.php (TCI's 2008-09 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Rockford 5, Houston 2 (April 25)
NEXT GAME: The 2008-09 season opener in early October |
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Liz
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: Re: PZ Myers' Great Desecration |
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On Jul 24, 11:30 pm, Daniel Kolle <Daniel.Ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:32:41 -0400, Bill Baker
wba...@postini.spamcon.org> wrote:
It is finished.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/the_great_desecration.php
Great. Wonderful. Now can we shut the fuck up about it?
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The problem didn't go away so I don't think shutting the fuck up about
it would be the proper action. The problem is that certain people
feel entited by their religion to make society as a whole conform to
their religious tenets. It doesn't matter whether the question
revolves around the disrespect of a wafer, cartoons in the newspaper,
the use of birth control, or the teaching of evolution in public
schools. All of these violate the demands of someone's god and create
furors even though there is no common sense reason to respect a bit of
wheat flour and water, refrain from printing cartoons, avoid using
birth control, or desist teaching science in a science class.
Rationality precludes me from taking any religious mythology
seriously, and to act as though a wafer was sacred when I believe it
is not is to give these mythologies a power they do not have and do
not deserve.
Bill Donahue should not have the power to say who should or should not
teach or attend a public university. Bill Donahue should not have the
power to prescribe or proscribe behavior for those who do not believe
in the same myth he does.
As PZ said, nothing is sacred.
And no, I will not shut the fuck up about it.
If it bothers you, I suggest you quit reading the threads.
Liz #658 |
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