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 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:56 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
| Quote: | Now admittedly there are very few original Nazis still left alive...
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The grandchildren, who were exposed throughout their formative years are
still only in their early 60s, and they of course have children and
grandchildren of their own.
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| Quote: | .. Somehow the neos ignore that the originals sent the WanderVogel
members to the concentration camps until they ran out and switched to
the Jews.
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Interesting.
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Brian Mailman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
| Quote: | In article <xJudnWquorET2THVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com>, Brian
Mailman says...
Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
Njikkie and the 'core' Asatruar are outer filth. Nine years or so
ago they tried to get the CoT in alt.revenge to go real life on a
poaster they didn't agree with.
CoT?
Cult of Tracker, aka Knights of the Barstool.
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Thanks.
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Interesting. I hadn't known Maoris used those kinds of diacriticals.
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Adam H. Kerman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:46 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:46:25 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:57:15 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81satr%C3%BA
Is that enough to establish that Asatru exists outside Usenet?
All that was from Wikipedia? Sigh.
It was...including links to groups around the world...sigh your arse off...
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It's not uncommon to put entirely fictional entries into Wikipedia, so
no, that doesn't overcome Peter's point that you all are claiming to be
in a religion recently created based on deliberate misinterpretation of
Viking poetry.
| Quote: | These people tend to drift away from Asatru belief because it is
actually inconsistent with their viewpoints...I sincerely doubt that
they have any conscious desire to "ruin an unknown religion". I'm
interested in the basis upon which you try to assert that they do
though...
They claim they are practicing it, no?
Quite possibly...the KKK claim that they are practicising
Christians...does it make them Christians?
You sure don't believe in freedom of religion, do you.
Absolutely the opposite...the point I am making, and it ought to be
abundantly clear, is that just because someone claims to be something
does not make them that thing...
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I don't recognize Asatru as a religion, but you do, so that's all that
matters. Therefore it's just as legitimate for you to claim it as a neo
N*z*. That you claim that someone else isn't in your recently made-up
belief system is laughable.
| Quote: | The KKK preach race hatred and white supremacy...if you can find an
example of Jesus preaching race hatred and white supremacy then I'll
eat my words...
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Still off on a stupid Christianity tangent, which shows just how weak
your arguments are.
| Quote: | It's not my place to excommunicate anyone or declare him unfaithful.
Did I say it was?
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Adam H. Kerman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:27:12 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
It's not my place to excommunicate anyone or declare him unfaithful.
Demanding honesty isn't the same as denying freedom.
It's not my place to do that either since I can't force someone else to
do something. I can, however, choose not to associate with him.
So by virtue of their Christianity and the claimed Christianity of the
KKK are all Christians "associating with the KKK"?
Or not?
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The troll-feeding ones on Usenet certainly are, you know, the issue
underlying all this nonsense. |
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Adam H. Kerman
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:34 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
This comes close but doesn't really address my question. I may even
agree, mostly, with your discussion of symbolism. But my question was
specific to the religion itself. Aside from the symbols, what is it
about the RELIGION that has attracted them?
Why do you think that because neo-Nazis use original
Nazi symbols they have any interest in actual Asatru?
If I followed that logic, I might conclude that neo-N*z*s have no
interest in being actual N*z*s, that they are merely using its symbols.
Or you could look at their other actions and determine whether they
are consistent with that accusation, or not...
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I could, if we were talking about other actions. But you were talking
about symbols, so stop fucking going off on tangents.
| Quote: | The original Nazis sure didn't and there's no reason to
conclude that the neo-Nazis do. It's a smoke screen
to be able to claim the protection of religious freedom
and nothing more. Some of their groups are so open
about that point they have "front" in their names.
There's no such implication that noe-Nazis have an
interest in actual Asatru to anyone other than a
religious bigot interested in making false statements
out of hate.
Pick a religion and you'll be able to find fundie parasites
that latch onto it and use its symbols or rhetoric without
practicing its tenants and generally not even knowing
what those tenants are.
Well, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any new religions.
Who said anything about "new"?
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Peter did. Doug didn't convinced me otherwise.
| Quote: | Asserting that neo-Nazis are in some way Asatru is
religious bigotry in direct parallel to the neo-Nazis who
pretend it.
Hold it, Doug. Everyone has religious freedom,
Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
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Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
| Quote: | I haven't said anyone is practicing any religion. Someone else has said
he is practicing a religion, so it's not my place to dispute that.
Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
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What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute someone's
claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to you? Is willful
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Neolithic
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:58:33 -0700, Brian Mailman
<bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
In article <xJudnWquorET2THVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com>, Brian
Mailman says...
Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
Njikkie and the 'core' Asatruar are outer filth. Nine years or so
ago they tried to get the CoT in alt.revenge to go real life on a
poaster they didn't agree with.
CoT?
Cult of Tracker, aka Knights of the Barstool.
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Liar.
| Quote: | Thanks.
From: n...@removethis.sinesurf.co.nz (Nik Smiðr Warrensson)
Interesting. I hadn't known Maoris used those kinds of diacriticals.
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The plural of Maori is Maori.
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Neolithic
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:34 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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| Quote: | Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:34 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
This comes close but doesn't really address my question. I may even
agree, mostly, with your discussion of symbolism. But my question was
specific to the religion itself. Aside from the symbols, what is it
about the RELIGION that has attracted them?
Why do you think that because neo-Nazis use original
Nazi symbols they have any interest in actual Asatru?
If I followed that logic, I might conclude that neo-N*z*s have no
interest in being actual N*z*s, that they are merely using its symbols.
Or you could look at their other actions and determine whether they
are consistent with that accusation, or not...
I could, if we were talking about other actions. But you were talking
about symbols, so stop fucking going off on tangents.
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I'll talk about anything I like if I think its relevant.
Don't tell me what to do.
| Quote: | The original Nazis sure didn't and there's no reason to
conclude that the neo-Nazis do. It's a smoke screen
to be able to claim the protection of religious freedom
and nothing more. Some of their groups are so open
about that point they have "front" in their names.
There's no such implication that noe-Nazis have an
interest in actual Asatru to anyone other than a
religious bigot interested in making false statements
out of hate.
Pick a religion and you'll be able to find fundie parasites
that latch onto it and use its symbols or rhetoric without
practicing its tenants and generally not even knowing
what those tenants are.
Well, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any new religions.
Who said anything about "new"?
Peter did.
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Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
balanced...
| Quote: | Doug didn't convinced me otherwise.
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Asatru has an ancient heritage...whether it is an unbroken tradition
is an article of debate amongst Asatruar. In the modern era, I trace
my co-religionists to Iceland e.g. www.asatru.is
| Quote: | Asserting that neo-Nazis are in some way Asatru is
religious bigotry in direct parallel to the neo-Nazis who
pretend it.
Hold it, Doug. Everyone has religious freedom,
Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
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alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
| Quote: | I haven't said anyone is practicing any religion. Someone else has said
he is practicing a religion, so it's not my place to dispute that.
Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute someone's
claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to you?
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I don't believe that you don't have an opinion either way on this
point.
| Quote: | Is willful blindness and reading uncomprehension part of your religious beliefs?
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You're the one being willfully ignorant not me.
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Neolithic
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:35 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:56:08 -0700, Brian Mailman
<bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Doug Freyburger wrote:
Now admittedly there are very few original Nazis still left alive...
The grandchildren, who were exposed throughout their formative years are
still only in their early 60s, and they of course have children and
grandchildren of their own.
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I've worked with people that fit into this category and none of them
have ever expressed any pro-nazi sentiments to me.
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.. Somehow the neos ignore that the originals sent the WanderVogel
members to the concentration camps until they ran out and switched to
the Jews.
Interesting.
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Nonsensical...
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Neolithic
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:36 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:47:56 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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| Quote: | Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:27:12 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
It's not my place to excommunicate anyone or declare him unfaithful.
Demanding honesty isn't the same as denying freedom.
It's not my place to do that either since I can't force someone else to
do something. I can, however, choose not to associate with him.
So by virtue of their Christianity and the claimed Christianity of the
KKK are all Christians "associating with the KKK"?
Or not?
The troll-feeding ones on Usenet certainly are,
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Certainly?
| Quote: | you know, the issue underlying all this nonsense.
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Troll feeding is the issue?
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Neolithic
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:46:43 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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| Quote: | Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:46:25 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:57:15 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81satr%C3%BA
Is that enough to establish that Asatru exists outside Usenet?
All that was from Wikipedia? Sigh.
It was...including links to groups around the world...sigh your arse off...
It's not uncommon to put entirely fictional entries into Wikipedia, so
no, that doesn't overcome Peter's point that you all are claiming to be
in a religion recently created based on deliberate misinterpretation of
Viking poetry.
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Plainly there was a religion practiced in ancient pre-Christian
Northern Europe...I'm not really bothered whether modern Asatru is
seen as a continuation or a reconstruction of that religion and that
that reconstruction began in earnest in 1972.
Whether we've misinterpreted the Sagas is another matter. I'd be
interested in your evidence for aforementioned misinterpretation. Can
you demonstrate that with evidence quoted directly from the Sagas?
You have, in past posts, however, explicitly claimed to be unable to
discern who is and who isn't religious...so what is it? You can't have
it both ways.
| Quote: | These people tend to drift away from Asatru belief because it is
actually inconsistent with their viewpoints...I sincerely doubt that
they have any conscious desire to "ruin an unknown religion". I'm
interested in the basis upon which you try to assert that they do
though...
They claim they are practicing it, no?
Quite possibly...the KKK claim that they are practicising
Christians...does it make them Christians?
You sure don't believe in freedom of religion, do you.
Absolutely the opposite...the point I am making, and it ought to be
abundantly clear, is that just because someone claims to be something
does not make them that thing...
I don't recognize Asatru as a religion, but you do,
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And so do the governments of Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Denmark...who
do you think knows more about Heathen belief? Those governments or
you?
<cough>
| Quote: | so that's all that matters. Therefore it's just as legitimate for you to claim it as a neo
N*z*.
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I don't though and never will.
| Quote: | That you claim that someone else isn't in your recently made-up
belief system is laughable.
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Not if their stated beliefs are contrary to the Sagas.
| Quote: | The KKK preach race hatred and white supremacy...if you can find an
example of Jesus preaching race hatred and white supremacy then I'll
eat my words...
Still off on a stupid Christianity tangent, which shows just how weak
your arguments are.
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The point is obvious that you chose to ignore it is up to you. Your
viewpoint is unreasonable.
| Quote: | It's not my place to excommunicate anyone or declare him unfaithful.
Did I say it was?
But it's your place to do so.
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That's right. I chose not to associate with anyone who, imho, abuses
our faith to bolster their alread extant obnoxious views.
| Quote: | I don't recognize your authority.
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I never claimed to have any authority over you except that which comes
from reason and reference to facts and that's an authority that any
reasonable adult who chooses to can have...
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Adam H. Kerman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:40 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:34 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
This comes close but doesn't really address my question. I may even
agree, mostly, with your discussion of symbolism. But my question was
specific to the religion itself. Aside from the symbols, what is it
about the RELIGION that has attracted them?
Why do you think that because neo-Nazis use original
Nazi symbols they have any interest in actual Asatru?
If I followed that logic, I might conclude that neo-N*z*s have no
interest in being actual N*z*s, that they are merely using its symbols.
Or you could look at their other actions and determine whether they
are consistent with that accusation, or not...
I could, if we were talking about other actions. But you were talking
about symbols, so stop fucking going off on tangents.
I'll talk about anything I like if I think its relevant.
Don't tell me what to do.
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If you want to have a conversation with me, you need to stick to the
topic and stop going off on tangents. You haven't been talking to me,
you've been talking at me.
It's pretty darn rude.
| Quote: | The original Nazis sure didn't and there's no reason to
conclude that the neo-Nazis do. It's a smoke screen
to be able to claim the protection of religious freedom
and nothing more. Some of their groups are so open
about that point they have "front" in their names.
There's no such implication that noe-Nazis have an
interest in actual Asatru to anyone other than a
religious bigot interested in making false statements
out of hate.
Pick a religion and you'll be able to find fundie parasites
that latch onto it and use its symbols or rhetoric without
practicing its tenants and generally not even knowing
what those tenants are.
Well, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any new religions.
Who said anything about "new"?
Peter did.
Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
balanced...
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Hey, Peter, I bet you've never been insulted in that manner before!
I call .sig!
| Quote: | Asserting that neo-Nazis are in some way Asatru is
religious bigotry in direct parallel to the neo-Nazis who
pretend it.
Hold it, Doug. Everyone has religious freedom,
Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
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Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
| Quote: | I haven't said anyone is practicing any religion. Someone else has said
he is practicing a religion, so it's not my place to dispute that.
Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute someone's
claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to you?
I don't believe that you don't have an opinion either way on this point.
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I have lots of opinions. I am choosing the shut the fuck up.
| Quote: | Is willful blindness and reading uncomprehension part of your
religious beliefs?
You're the one being willfully ignorant not me.
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In article <c0esa4hk7f2olcb3kqunmqaad7h2gdjdct@4ax.com>, Neolithic
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| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com
wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:34 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
This comes close but doesn't really address my question. I may even
agree, mostly, with your discussion of symbolism. But my question was
specific to the religion itself. Aside from the symbols, what is it
about the RELIGION that has attracted them?
Why do you think that because neo-Nazis use original
Nazi symbols they have any interest in actual Asatru?
If I followed that logic, I might conclude that neo-N*z*s have no
interest in being actual N*z*s, that they are merely using its symbols.
Or you could look at their other actions and determine whether they
are consistent with that accusation, or not...
I could, if we were talking about other actions. But you were talking
about symbols, so stop fucking going off on tangents.
I'll talk about anything I like if I think its relevant.
Don't tell me what to do.
If you want to have a conversation with me, you need to stick to the
topic and stop going off on tangents. You haven't been talking to me,
you've been talking at me.
It's pretty darn rude.
Hypocrit.
The original Nazis sure didn't and there's no reason to
conclude that the neo-Nazis do. It's a smoke screen
to be able to claim the protection of religious freedom
and nothing more. Some of their groups are so open
about that point they have "front" in their names.
There's no such implication that noe-Nazis have an
interest in actual Asatru to anyone other than a
religious bigot interested in making false statements
out of hate.
Pick a religion and you'll be able to find fundie parasites
that latch onto it and use its symbols or rhetoric without
practicing its tenants and generally not even knowing
what those tenants are.
Well, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any new religions.
Who said anything about "new"?
Peter did.
Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
balanced...
Hey, Peter, I bet you've never been insulted in that manner before!
I call .sig!
You are a troll...
Asserting that neo-Nazis are in some way Asatru is
religious bigotry in direct parallel to the neo-Nazis who
pretend it.
Hold it, Doug. Everyone has religious freedom,
Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
the order of the day, or so it would seem.
There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
I haven't said anyone is practicing any religion. Someone else has said
he is practicing a religion, so it's not my place to dispute that.
Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute someone's
claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to you?
I don't believe that you don't have an opinion either way on this point.
I have lots of opinions. I am choosing the shut the fuck up.
Troll.
Is willful blindness and reading uncomprehension part of your
religious beliefs?
You're the one being willfully ignorant not me.
Think of it as my support of religious freedom.
Asatru is a religion that strongly supports religious freedom given
the fact that ours was violently suppressed in past by Christians...
If there's any group that we might oppose/hate etc it would be
Christians because of their violent repression of our historical
co-religionists.
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Like when Djirkie said in <3803F1C1.9CC836DD@kbnet.co.uk>
"I live it. It's not a joke.
Hezbolah and Hamas and the Taliban live it. They are not a joke either"
That doesn't sound very eccumenical to me...
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Juan Tootreego
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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In article <u7gra4dccdqa9m1im65aajjjee29ldupk4@4ax.com>, Neolithic
says...
| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:58:33 -0700, Brian Mailman
bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
In article <xJudnWquorET2THVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com>, Brian
Mailman says...
Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
Njikkie and the 'core' Asatruar are outer filth. Nine years or so
ago they tried to get the CoT in alt.revenge to go real life on a
poaster they didn't agree with.
CoT?
Cult of Tracker, aka Knights of the Barstool.
Liar.
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What exactly was my lie? How do *you* define CoT?
| Quote: | Thanks.
From: n...@removethis.sinesurf.co.nz (Nik Smiðr Warrensson)
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Or you saying the above is a forgery?
It's available for the world to read on Google.
Its really sad, Njikkie.
You're almost intelligent, but the way you kiss Djirkies ass, you're an
even bigger wuss.
| Quote: | Interesting. I hadn't known Maoris used those kinds of diacriticals.
The plural of Maori is Maori.
Neolithic
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Juan Tootreego
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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In article <5NGdnQLwfPdXDTDVnZ2dnUVZ_qjinZ2d@supernews.com>, Brian
Mailman says...
| Quote: | Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
In article <xJudnWquorET2THVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com>, Brian
Mailman says...
Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
Njikkie and the 'core' Asatruar are outer filth. Nine years or so
ago they tried to get the CoT in alt.revenge to go real life on a
poaster they didn't agree with.
CoT?
Cult of Tracker, aka Knights of the Barstool.
Thanks.
From: n...@removethis.sinesurf.co.nz (Nik Smiðr Warrensson)
Interesting. I hadn't known Maoris used those kinds of diacriticals.
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I figure that story has about as much cred as him being a physicist.
Hey, Njikkie, Why don't you poast with your real name anymore?
<alt.cretin.nik-warrensson added>
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:34 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
This comes close but doesn't really address my question. I may even
agree, mostly, with your discussion of symbolism. But my question was
specific to the religion itself. Aside from the symbols, what is it
about the RELIGION that has attracted them?
Why do you think that because neo-Nazis use original
Nazi symbols they have any interest in actual Asatru?
If I followed that logic, I might conclude that neo-N*z*s have no
interest in being actual N*z*s, that they are merely using its symbols.
Or you could look at their other actions and determine whether they
are consistent with that accusation, or not...
I could, if we were talking about other actions. But you were talking
about symbols, so stop fucking going off on tangents.
I'll talk about anything I like if I think its relevant.
Don't tell me what to do.
If you want to have a conversation with me, you need to stick to the
topic and stop going off on tangents. You haven't been talking to me,
you've been talking at me.
It's pretty darn rude.
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Hypocrit.
| Quote: | The original Nazis sure didn't and there's no reason to
conclude that the neo-Nazis do. It's a smoke screen
to be able to claim the protection of religious freedom
and nothing more. Some of their groups are so open
about that point they have "front" in their names.
There's no such implication that noe-Nazis have an
interest in actual Asatru to anyone other than a
religious bigot interested in making false statements
out of hate.
Pick a religion and you'll be able to find fundie parasites
that latch onto it and use its symbols or rhetoric without
practicing its tenants and generally not even knowing
what those tenants are.
Well, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any new religions.
Who said anything about "new"?
Peter did.
Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
balanced...
Hey, Peter, I bet you've never been insulted in that manner before!
I call .sig!
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You are a troll...
| Quote: | Asserting that neo-Nazis are in some way Asatru is
religious bigotry in direct parallel to the neo-Nazis who
pretend it.
Hold it, Doug. Everyone has religious freedom,
Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
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No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
the order of the day, or so it would seem.
There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
| Quote: | I haven't said anyone is practicing any religion. Someone else has said
he is practicing a religion, so it's not my place to dispute that.
Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute someone's
claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to you?
I don't believe that you don't have an opinion either way on this point.
I have lots of opinions. I am choosing the shut the fuck up.
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Troll.
| Quote: | Is willful blindness and reading uncomprehension part of your
religious beliefs?
You're the one being willfully ignorant not me.
Think of it as my support of religious freedom.
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Asatru is a religion that strongly supports religious freedom given
the fact that ours was violently suppressed in past by Christians...
If there's any group that we might oppose/hate etc it would be
Christians because of their violent repression of our historical
co-religionists.
But, geneally, we don't...because we've grown up and so should you.
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