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Doug Freyburger
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 Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Brian Mailman <bmail...@sfo.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Doug Freyburger wrote:
There's even the classic tale of the Rabbi - First they came for
the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not help,
the tale lists group after group, then they came for the Jews and
there was no one left to help me.
Interesting.
I didn't know that Niemoller, a Lutheran minister was secretly a rabbi.
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So you don't understand metaphors. Whatever.
http://www.hoboes.com/html/FireBlade/Politics/niemoller.shtml
First they came for the Communists,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and by that time there was no one
left to speak up for me.
by Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945
It's a specific historical reference for his recollection, but it's
also a
pattern that different groups were sent to the concentration camps
at different times. The Jews were neither the first nor the last.
They
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Brian Mailman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:50 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
| Quote: | Brian Mailman <bmail...@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
.. Somehow the neos ignore that the originals sent the WanderVogel
members to the concentration camps until they ran out and switched to
the Jews.
Interesting.
The history of it is well established. There were plenty of Jewish
WWI veterans around so at first the Nazis focused on other
groups. Some list gyspies as one of the first targets but that's
actually a broad descriptive term for unpopular groups not just
the Romany nomadic clans. Included in the sweep were ethnic
Gyspies, members of the WanderVogel movement who included
members focused on runes and the Aesir, assorted other small
minority groups. All groups smaller than the Jews and eventually
the Nazis wanted a larger scapegoat group so they proceeded
on to the Jews and gathered them up in the millions WWI era
veterans and all.
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Interesting.
| Quote: | There's even the classic tale of the Rabbi - First they came for
the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not help,
the tale lists group after group, then they came for the Jews and
there was no one left to help me.
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Interesting.
I didn't know that Niemoller, a Lutheran minister was secretly a rabbi.
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Brian Mailman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:
| Quote: | Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute
someone's claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to you?
Is willful blindness and reading uncomprehension part of your
religious beliefs?
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I think the vegetarian Druids that I run into on occasion are kinda
conflicted.
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Brian Mailman
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Neolithic wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com
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Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
the order of the day, or so it would seem.
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I'm not a techie, but I do understand there's ways to killfile other
than nym. I do understand there is a determined minority (i.e., very
few) who can avoid those ways. But so few as to mentally ignorable.
Writing styles can be faked per "persona" but they're like fingerprints.
It's very--that would be very very, and very very very--difficult to
uniformly and consistently fake one without leaving traces that tie them
together over time.
| Quote: | There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
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I used to think that, but then I realized that it's not my Mission in
Life(tm) to educate the easily misled, and the people that actually
matter to me aren't going to be swayed either way by "misinformation"
about me.
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Peter J Ross
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:13 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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In news.groups on Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug
Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Brian Mailman <bmail...@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
.. Â Somehow the neos ignore that the originals sent the WanderVogel
members to the concentration camps until they ran out and switched to
 the Jews.
Interesting.
The history of it is well established.
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Note the total lack of citations to support Djouggie's bizarre
revisionist views.
<unsupported revisionist crap snipped>
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Peter J Ross
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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In news.groups on Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:59:16 +1200, Neolithic
<neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com
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Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
balanced...
Hey, Peter, I bet you've never been insulted in that manner before!
I call .sig!
You are a troll...
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And you are a neo-Nazi. Like your friend Freyburger, you try to hide
your neo-Nazi views in the hope of attracting innocent new recruits.
But you trip up hilariously from time to time.
I remind readers of this thread that both Nick Griffin and David Duke
profess not to be racists, just as Nik Warrenson does.
I don't recall ever finding it necessary to profess not to be a
racist: that's because I've never belonged to a racist organisation
like the BNP, the KKK or "Asatru".
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Peter J Ross
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 1:27 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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In news.groups on Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:26:44 +1200, Neolithic
<neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:58:33 -0700, Brian Mailman
bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
In article <xJudnWquorET2THVnZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@supernews.com>, Brian
Mailman says...
Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother wrote:
CoT?
Cult of Tracker, aka Knights of the Barstool.
Liar.
Thanks.
From: n...@removethis.sinesurf.co.nz (Nik Smiðr Warrensson)
Interesting. I hadn't known Maoris used those kinds of diacriticals.
The plural of Maori is Maori.
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The plural of neo-Nazi is Warrensons.
Feel free to pretend to deny it again.
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Adam H. Kerman
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Brian Mailman <bmail...@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
There's even the classic tale of the Rabbi - First they came for
the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not help,
the tale lists group after group, then they came for the Jews and
there was no one left to help me.
Interesting.
I didn't know that Niemoller, a Lutheran minister was secretly a rabbi.
So you don't understand metaphors. Whatever.
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Nobody in this reality understand that to be a metaphor. |
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Neolithic
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:14:24 -0700, Brian Mailman
<bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | Neolithic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com
wrote:
Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
the order of the day, or so it would seem.
I'm not a techie, but I do understand there's ways to killfile other
than nym. I do understand there is a determined minority (i.e., very
few) who can avoid those ways. But so few as to mentally ignorable.
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Err...the record ought to still be available in google groups...go
have a look for yourself into the posting habits of the trolls in
alt.religion.asatru for the years 1998-2004...those years would cover
the worst of it...at the time some people tried using killfiles but
the volume was such that it effectively caused some people to leave
a.r.a.
| Quote: | Writing styles can be faked per "persona" but they're like fingerprints.
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I quite agree.
| Quote: | It's very--that would be very very, and very very very--difficult to
uniformly and consistently fake one without leaving traces that tie them
together over time.
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Again I agree...one poster in particular was distinctive...Roger
Willams aka Bertie the Bunyip...
| Quote: | There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
I used to think that, but then I realized that it's not my Mission in
Life(tm) to educate the easily misled, and the people that actually
matter to me aren't going to be swayed either way by "misinformation"
about me.
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It was more than personal misinformation, although that was an
extremely unpleasant aspect of the behaviour, it was a serious attempt
to slur the entirety of a religion.
That act was in and of itself an example of hate speech and
harrassment carried out over a period of years.
You don't have to take my word for it though...please look it up and
find out for yourself.
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Juan Tootreego
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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In article <uu-dnU5pJb7W4jLVnZ2dnUVZ_hydnZ2d@comcast.com>, Adam H.
Kerman says...
| Quote: | Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian Mailman <bmail...@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
There's even the classic tale of the Rabbi - First they came for
the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not help,
the tale lists group after group, then they came for the Jews and
there was no one left to help me.
Interesting.
I didn't know that Niemoller, a Lutheran minister was secretly a rabbi.
So you don't understand metaphors. Whatever.
Nobody in this reality understand that to be a metaphor.
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Not to mention that once called out, he puts an entirely different spin
on the tale.
Hey, Dougie - you're Goebbels impersonation would be a heck of a lot
more effective if you'd take the time to do five minutes of research
before spewing your propaganda.
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Juan Tootreego
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:32 pm Post subject: Asatru defined |
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In article <f9sva45jo0smgpg1uf4ndl240e12sprcqa@4ax.com>, Neolithic
says...
| Quote: | On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:14:24 -0700, Brian Mailman
bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Neolithic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com
wrote:
Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
the order of the day, or so it would seem.
I'm not a techie, but I do understand there's ways to killfile other
than nym. I do understand there is a determined minority (i.e., very
few) who can avoid those ways. But so few as to mentally ignorable.
Err...the record ought to still be available in google groups...go
have a look for yourself into the posting habits of the trolls in
alt.religion.asatru for the years 1998-2004...those years would cover
the worst of it...at the time some people tried using killfiles but
the volume was such that it effectively caused some people to leave
a.r.a.
Writing styles can be faked per "persona" but they're like fingerprints.
I quite agree.
It's very--that would be very very, and very very very--difficult to
uniformly and consistently fake one without leaving traces that tie them
together over time.
Again I agree...one poster in particular was distinctive...Roger
Willams aka Bertie the Bunyip...
There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
I used to think that, but then I realized that it's not my Mission in
Life(tm) to educate the easily misled, and the people that actually
matter to me aren't going to be swayed either way by "misinformation"
about me.
It was more than personal misinformation, although that was an
extremely unpleasant aspect of the behaviour, it was a serious attempt
to slur the entirety of a religion.
That act was in and of itself an example of hate speech and
harrassment carried out over a period of years.
You don't have to take my word for it though...please look it up and
find out for yourself.
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I'll save you the time...
I invite other Asatruar to add their own links, which I will then
combine. I would also appreciate info on failed links. If anyone has
objections to any site or org then mail me with precise details. Note
that listed here are only a fraction of the available resources.
However, enough should exist here to enable you to find what I omit.
http://www.natfront.com/
http://www.frontnational.com/
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/groups_am_nazi.asp
http://www.meta-
religion.com/Extremism/White_extremism/American_nazi_party/american_naz
i_party.htm
http://www.nazi-lauck-nsdapao.com/engplcd-american-nazi-party-george-
lincoln-rockwell-speeches.htm
http://www.publiceye.org/racism/white-supremacy.html
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=238841
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Juan Tootreego
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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In article <slrngau821.7ka.pjr@pjr.motzarella.org>, Peter J Ross
says...
| Quote: | In news.groups on Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:59:16 +1200, Neolithic
neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com
wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
balanced...
Hey, Peter, I bet you've never been insulted in that manner before!
I call .sig!
You are a troll...
And you are a neo-Nazi. Like your friend Freyburger, you try to hide
your neo-Nazi views in the hope of attracting innocent new recruits.
But you trip up hilariously from time to time.
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If he's *really* not a Njazi, given all the poasts of his Fuhrer's that
I've resurrected where Djirkie openly and proudly boasts of being an
anti-semetic racist, why can't he denounce Djirk, rather than defending
him?
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Heidi Graw
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: Asatru defined |
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| Quote: | "Juan Tootreego" <123go@notbxpat.edu> wrote in message
news:MPG.2319bf3c12e17e6598b2e3@notbxpats.edu...
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| Quote: | Juan wrote:
I invite other Asatruar to add their own links,
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http://www.geocities.com/hgraw/Nanagoat0.html
Bear in mind that Nanagoat is not a supremacist of
*any* kind! She's simply a humble storyteller who
enjoys Germanic lore and who loves nothing better
than to retell them in an engaging and entertaining
way for the little ones.
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combine.
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Nanagoat is in a catagory of her own. I insist! ;-)
Take care,
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Brian Mailman
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Doug Freyburger wrote:
| Quote: | Brian Mailman <bmail...@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
There's even the classic tale of the Rabbi - First they came for
the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not help,
the tale lists group after group, then they came for the Jews and
there was no one left to help me.
Interesting.
I didn't know that Niemoller, a Lutheran minister was secretly a rabbi.
So you don't understand metaphors. Whatever.
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Apparently I don't understand direct quotes, either, and apparently I
don't understand responses that would purport to be answer but really
aren't.
While the Jews don't completely "own" the Shoah, your revisions are ....
interesting.
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Brian Mailman
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Peter J Ross wrote:
| Quote: | In news.groups on Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Doug
Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
Brian Mailman <bmail...@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Doug Freyburger wrote:
.. Somehow the neos ignore that the originals sent the WanderVogel
members to the concentration camps until they ran out and switched to
the Jews.
Interesting.
The history of it is well established.
Note the total lack of citations to support Djouggie's bizarre
revisionist views.
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They are ... interesting.
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