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Brian Mailman
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 Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Neolithic wrote:
| Quote: | On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:14:24 -0700, Brian Mailman
bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Neolithic wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com
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Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making the
nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists. I
thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made it
difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
the order of the day, or so it would seem.
I'm not a techie, but I do understand there's ways to killfile other
than nym. I do understand there is a determined minority (i.e., very
few) who can avoid those ways. But so few as to mentally ignorable.
Err...the record ought to still be available in google groups...go
have a look for yourself into the posting habits of the trolls in
alt.religion.asatru for the years 1998-2004...
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I'm often accused of being too subtle. I guess you missed the parts
that I've written about at least twice now about being on dialup and a
web interface to News is a PITA. It was easy enough to pass over, since
I only wrote "I'm on dialup and a web interface to News is a PITA."
| Quote: | Writing styles can be faked per "persona" but they're like fingerprints.
I quite agree.
It's very--that would be very very, and very very very--difficult to
uniformly and consistently fake one without leaving traces that tie them
together over time.
Again I agree...one poster in particular was distinctive...Roger
Willams aka Bertie the Bunyip...
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Then the conclusion of the agreement is the same as mine: that even
with rudimentary capability technically it's easy enough to mentally
killfile the Mighty Morpher Rangers.
| Quote: | There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
I used to think that, but then I realized that it's not my Mission in
Life(tm) to educate the easily misled, and the people that actually
matter to me aren't going to be swayed either way by "misinformation"
about me.
It was more than personal misinformation, although that was an
extremely unpleasant aspect of the behaviour, it was a serious attempt
to slur the entirety of a religion.
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I really can't speak to that--since I'm on dialup and a web Interface to
News is a PITA.
But it would strike me that if a religion is that easily "slurred"...
well then again, I've written elsewhere that I find the reconstruction
of Druidism with vegetarian adherents to be conflicted.
| Quote: | That act was in and of itself an example of hate speech and
harrassment carried out over a period of years.
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Sounds like something then you need to report to the authorities. LEOs
seem to take hate speech seriously.
| Quote: | You don't have to take my word for it though...please look it up and
find out for yourself.
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I'm on dialup and a web interface to News is a PITA.
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Bertie the Bunyip
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother <luv2fly^99@live^.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2317065d948ec9a998b2b9@notbxpats.edu:
| Quote: | In article <g8g4uj$549$6@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Bertie the
Bunyip says...
Maxwell's Syphilitic Mother <luv2fly^99@live^.com> wrote in
news:MPG.231533ddfa98f89398b2a4@notbxpats.edu:
In article <g8femh$a7d$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Bertie the
Bunyip says...
Chairman Cow <covvtsetung@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2313eea080c6d4a898b28b@notbxpats.edu:
In article <g8b198$fef$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>, Bertie
the Bunyip says...
Maxwell <luv2^fly99@live.^com> wrote in
news:MPG.2312a3d15649e37698b271 @notbxpats.edu:
In article <g8a2o7$qgj$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
Bertie
the
Bunyip says...
CovvTseTung <chairmancovv@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.2311ee5f80b8a9098b251@notbxpats.edu:
In article <g897pn$bh8$3@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
Bertie
the Bunyip says...
CovvTseTung <chairmancovv@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:MPG.231125657b1320d798b241@notbxpats.edu:
In article
g8775n$hbu$1@blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
Bertie
the
Bunyip says...
Aratzio <a6ahlyv02@sneakemail.com> wrote in
news:544ea4hk0mtsgcpp01e4hqlr3t3dsbsu0n@4ax.com:
On 16 Aug 2008 17:25:42 GMT, in the land of
alt.usenet.kooks,
robert
bowman <bowman@montana.com> got double secret
probation for
writing:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:39:58 +0000,
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Someone once mentioned that organizing Asatruar
is
like
trying
to
herd cats...impossible! ;-)
Well it can't be impossible if they can organise
themselves
to
post
into a fucking newsgroup, hey.
It's sort of like a fire hydrant; you piss on it as
you
go
by
to
let
the other dogs know you're around and to keep the
meowers
nervous.
Yes, them meowers get so nervous that they killfile
the
hjorned
hjelmut nazi fjuckwits because they are such scary
posters.
Careful Djirkie will turn his Psionic weapon on you!
What is it now, two, three years?
I still appear to be intact.
And you seem to be the same ol' Bertie...
Yep. Sho am. Maybe Djirkie has the controls on the
psionic weapon
set
to kill me of old age.
Not fair with my morning coffee! Thank Bob for Memorex
wsterproof keybards...
I've noticed that rap seems pretty quiet since Maxine
retired from
the
game.
Retired from the game, but he's far from gone.
Bertie
Amazing how he reappears when his name is mentioned.
Maybe he's bought one of Djirkies physic toys to keep an eye
on you.
Nah, he's just real easy to provoke into throwing his toys out
of
the
playpen mode. A few jabs in his direction and he dons the cloak
and
becomes "MAXIE"
A 'cloak'?
So that's what he calls his diaper...
Eww.
I never did have much luck with his toilet training.
You should have rubbed his nose in it.
Have you seen his nose?
He makes our sainted Karl Malden look feminine
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Like a potato, eh?
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Bertie the Bunyip
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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Juan Tootreego <123go@notbxpat.edu> wrote in
news:MPG.2317f632c330374e98b2cb@notbxpats.edu:
| Quote: | In article <c0esa4hk7f2olcb3kqunmqaad7h2gdjdct@4ax.com>, Neolithic
says...
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:40:30 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com
wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:51:23 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman"
ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Neolithic <neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 09:54:34 -0500, "Adam H. Kerman"
ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
Doug Freyburger <dfreybur@yahoo.com> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <a...@chinet.com> wrote:
This comes close but doesn't really address my question. I may
even agree, mostly, with your discussion of symbolism. But my
question was specific to the religion itself. Aside from the
symbols, what is it about the RELIGION that has attracted
them?
Why do you think that because neo-Nazis use original
Nazi symbols they have any interest in actual Asatru?
If I followed that logic, I might conclude that neo-N*z*s have
no interest in being actual N*z*s, that they are merely using
its symbols.
Or you could look at their other actions and determine whether
they are consistent with that accusation, or not...
I could, if we were talking about other actions. But you were
talking about symbols, so stop fucking going off on tangents.
I'll talk about anything I like if I think its relevant.
Don't tell me what to do.
If you want to have a conversation with me, you need to stick to the
topic and stop going off on tangents. You haven't been talking to
me, you've been talking at me.
It's pretty darn rude.
Hypocrit.
The original Nazis sure didn't and there's no reason to
conclude that the neo-Nazis do. It's a smoke screen
to be able to claim the protection of religious freedom
and nothing more. Some of their groups are so open
about that point they have "front" in their names.
There's no such implication that noe-Nazis have an
interest in actual Asatru to anyone other than a
religious bigot interested in making false statements
out of hate.
Pick a religion and you'll be able to find fundie parasites
that latch onto it and use its symbols or rhetoric without
practicing its tenants and generally not even knowing
what those tenants are.
Well, I can't do that because I'm not familiar with any new
religions.
Who said anything about "new"?
Peter did.
Peter is anti-pathetic towards Heathenry ergo he's not going to be
balanced...
Hey, Peter, I bet you've never been insulted in that manner before!
I call .sig!
You are a troll...
Asserting that neo-Nazis are in some way Asatru is
religious bigotry in direct parallel to the neo-Nazis who
pretend it.
Hold it, Doug. Everyone has religious freedom,
Our has been infringed by people barging in and repeatedly making
the nazi slur...
Really? It prevents you from worshipping as you see fit?
alt.religion.asatru was the first place I met any co-religionists.
I thought I was alone in the world.
It functioned, for me at the very least, as a place where I could
express, to others, my religious experience...it was, as it were, a
cyber temple for me but these people with anit-heathen bigotry made
it difficult if not impossible, for many years, to do exactly that.
So yes, it did prevent me worshipping as I see fit, to an extent.
Has your religious practice prevented you from using a kill file?
No, that is a fair comment except for the fact that morphing nyms was
the order of the day, or so it would seem.
There is also the concern that people might use the opportunity, i.e.
being in a killfile to spread misinformation without any come back.
I haven't said anyone is practicing any religion. Someone else
has said he is practicing a religion, so it's not my place to
dispute that.
Tell me though, do you think that the KKK are Christians?
What is it about my position that it isn't my place to dispute
someone's claim of being religious that isn't crystal clear to
you?
I don't believe that you don't have an opinion either way on this
point.
I have lots of opinions. I am choosing the shut the fuck up.
Troll.
Is willful blindness and reading uncomprehension part of your
religious beliefs?
You're the one being willfully ignorant not me.
Think of it as my support of religious freedom.
Asatru is a religion that strongly supports religious freedom given
the fact that ours was violently suppressed in past by Christians...
If there's any group that we might oppose/hate etc it would be
Christians because of their violent repression of our historical
co-religionists.
Like when Djirkie said in <3803F1C1.9CC836DD@kbnet.co.uk
"I live it. It's not a joke.
Hezbolah and Hamas and the Taliban live it. They are not a joke
either"
That doesn't sound very eccumenical to me...
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You gotta lurve Djirkie.
Cuz if you don't, he'll get you.
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William Bagwell
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| Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:06:03 -0700, Brian Mailman <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
| Quote: | It was easy enough to pass over, since
I only wrote "I'm on dialup and a web interface to News is a PITA."
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I've had DSL for three years and Google as a "web interface to News" is *still*
a PITA!
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Neolithic
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:02 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:46:31 -0400, Suevian <rising@flames.albion>
wrote:
| Quote: | Peter J Ross wrote:
In news.groups on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 16:58:36 -0400, Suevian
rising@flames.albion> wrote:
Peter J Ross wrote:
In news.groups on Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:47:40 -0400, Suevian
rising@flames.albion> wrote:
Since you have clearly demonstrated bigotry and hostility
Fuck off. I'm not the Holocaust-denier in this thread.
Hey, if you have persuasive evidence to present to me that would change
my mind, please present it. I am fully willing to engage in a civil
discussion on the topic.
Probably even Steve Bonine will agree that debating with people like
you is a waste of time.
But what do you have to say about David Irving?
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I laughed long and hard when Irving's attempt to prosecute Penguin
books for libel backfired.
Irving is a wanker, a complete and utter wanker.
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Peter J Ross
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: Re: RFD - soc.religion.asatru.is-dead |
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In news.groups on Fri, 05 Sep 2008 09:02:39 +1200, Neolithic
<neolithicnospam@email.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Irving is a wanker, a complete and utter wanker.
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You and David Irving have a lot in common, Nik. Neo-nazism, for
instance.
Btw, I phoned Dave Hillstrom today. I phoned him because he's a nice
guy whom I'm proud to consider a friend.
But when *you* phoned Dave Hillstrom, a few years ago, you hoped to
intimidate him into abandoning his criticism of your nasty neo-Nazi
cult, didn't you?
Fuck off, Nik.
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