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 Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2003 11:30 pm Post subject: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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It appears that Bush is bringing the CHURCH into the STATE.
I, however, would not want same-sex marriages as many gays and lesbians
would loose their federal, state and county . . . public assistance benefits
(SSI, Medicaid, Food Stamps, Section 8 Housing, Township Trustee etc). The
assets and income of the gainfully employed spouse would be used to
determine eligibility.
How many would qualify? Very few. Leave it as is. Let the "correct" hetros
continue to support the "incorrect" homos. They have been doing so for
decades anyway.
Same-Sex Marriages? HELL NO!
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Scott
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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"Gunny" <thegun@charter.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | So. Apparently, you had a bad experience with someone who later realized
she was gay?? Why extrapolate that to a condemnation of gay folk
generally?? Why not see it a sad testimony to the fact that YOU and yours
insist on forcing people into UNNATRUAL relationships (for them). The
evil
is not that some are "gay" but that YOU create a world where genuinely gay
folk feel compelled to "try" to act like perverts -- they are so "cowed"
that they pretend to be "straight".
I didn't read the letter the same way you did, I didn't see the reference to |
his having the sort of experience you are questioning.
However, I did. Some time ago(1982) a woman who had agreed to be my wife
proudly announced to me, 3 days before Christmas, that she couldn't marry me
and that she was leaving me for another woman. This incident did NOT lead
me
to loathe and fear homosexuals. As I've said in many posts, I do not hate
or fear
them, heck, the gay people that I have known over the years (and there have
been
quite a few) were some of the nicest people I have known.
However, NONE of that changes the fact that the Word of God says it is an
abomination. Should gays be harrassed, picked on, taunted and
discriminated
against? HELL NO! NOBODY should be treated that way. Nobody.
But popular sentiment should not change what God has denounced. Heck,
they aren't even the majority, they are just very vocal. Unfortunately
there
has been enough Christian and church bashing over the years that most
Christians aren't willing to speak up on the issue. |
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BalaamsAss51
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| Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2003 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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"Gunny" <thegun@charter.net> wrote in message news:<vik4tniptvah78@corp.supernews.com>...
| Quote: | So. Apparently, you had a bad experience with someone who later realized
she was gay?? Why extrapolate that to a condemnation of gay folk
generally?? Why not see it a sad testimony to the fact that YOU and yours
insist on forcing people into UNNATRUAL relationships (for them). The evil
is not that some are "gay" but that YOU create a world where genuinely gay
folk feel compelled to "try" to act like perverts -- they are so "cowed"
that they pretend to be "straight".
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Typical gay rhetoric. It's the fault of those who follow God's Word
against the sin of homosexuality, not the fault of those doing the
sinning. Crap. I do not accept any gay theories that say that gays
are not sinners in need of repentance and forgiveness. There is
nothing natural about the relationships they seek.
All people sin. All people are sinful. Some people are more inclined
to practice certain types of sins than others. Every sinner must give
up their sin. Every Christian (that is one who has received faith
from God) must try to the best of their abilities to mark and avoid
sin in their lives. It is during this process of sanctification that
the child of God comes to realize that their sin is against God and
must be stopped.
One who is inclinded to set fires must stop. One who lies must stop.
One who practices or thinks they are inclined to acts of perversion
must stop. In trying to live out our lives in accordance with God we
attempt to remove ourselves from sin. We fail. We repent. We are
forgiven. We try to remove ourselves from sin. We fail. We repent.
We are forgiven. We try to remove ourselves from sin.
The Bible condemns all who lie. All who practice sexual perverion.
All who sin in any way. Christians condemn sinners. Christians
condemn sins. Christians must never stop pointing out that mankind is
sinful and must never stop pointing out actual sins.
Homosexuality is a sin. It is a preversion of the natural order which
God established. It is proper and correct to speak out against this
sin. All who feel that they are homosexual are under a delusion.
They must give up all such practices and thoughts. If they cannot be
heterosexual, than they must practice abstinence. Continued, flagrant
persistence in homosexual acts shows a hardening of the heart and a
rejection of God's Word. Repent and eternally live, or persist and
eternally die.
Pax. Col. 2:6-8 |
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Gunny
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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"Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom> wrote in message
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"Gunny" <thegun@charter.net> wrote in message
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So. Apparently, you had a bad experience with someone who later
realized
she was gay?? Why extrapolate that to a condemnation of gay folk
generally?? Why not see it a sad testimony to the fact that YOU and
yours
insist on forcing people into UNNATRUAL relationships (for them). The
evil
is not that some are "gay" but that YOU create a world where genuinely
gay
folk feel compelled to "try" to act like perverts -- they are so "cowed"
that they pretend to be "straight".
I didn't read the letter the same way you did, I didn't see the reference
to
his having the sort of experience you are questioning.
However, I did. Some time ago(1982) a woman who had agreed to be my wife
proudly announced to me, 3 days before Christmas, that she couldn't marry
me
and that she was leaving me for another woman. This incident did NOT lead
me
to loathe and fear homosexuals. As I've said in many posts, I do not hate
or fear
them, heck, the gay people that I have known over the years (and there
have
been
quite a few) were some of the nicest people I have known.
However, NONE of that changes the fact that the Word of God says it is an
abomination. Should gays be harrassed, picked on, taunted and
discriminated
against? HELL NO! NOBODY should be treated that way. Nobody.
But popular sentiment should not change what God has denounced. Heck,
they aren't even the majority, they are just very vocal. Unfortunately
there
has been enough Christian and church bashing over the years that most
Christians aren't willing to speak up on the issue.
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Scott, you "sound" like a "good" person. Your instincts are Christian. I
applaud you for that.
But I insist. I believe the Bible's injunctions against "lying with a man
as if with a woman" were intended to address a problem that existed then
among non-Christians and exists even to this day. There are "straights" who
do "the gay act" not out of their nature and for love, but simply to declare
openly that they flaunt God!! Their "god" IS SEX. They only seek the
"thrill" of what is "forbidden". Straight, "queer hating" Marines who sell
their bodies to "homos" are a case in point.
But I am NOT acting outside my nature. I can and will love another man
totally apart from whether we "copulate". God created me GAY!!
Yes!! I COULD choose to live "celibate". I AM ABLE to do it. Yep, I COULD
restrict myself to "platonic" relationships. But, with 40 years behind me
of listening to jerks like you --- guess what?? -- I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT
THIS is HIS WILL!! He not only "allows" me to engage in what you term "gay
sex" HE demands that I do!! MY LORD wants me to engage in "gay sex". HE
wants me to build a commited relationship of LOVE. Part of that is SEX!!
YOU, Sir, are another IDIOT!! |
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Scott
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:49 am Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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"Gunny" <thegun@charter.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Scott, you "sound" like a "good" person. Your instincts are Christian.
I
applaud you for that.
But I insist. I believe the Bible's injunctions against "lying with a man
as if with a woman" were intended to address a problem that existed then
among non-Christians and exists even to this day. There are "straights"
who
do "the gay act" not out of their nature and for love, but simply to
declare
openly that they flaunt God!! Their "god" IS SEX. They only seek the
"thrill" of what is "forbidden". Straight, "queer hating" Marines who
sell
their bodies to "homos" are a case in point.
But I am NOT acting outside my nature. I can and will love another man
totally apart from whether we "copulate". God created me GAY!!
Yes!! I COULD choose to live "celibate". I AM ABLE to do it. Yep, I COULD
restrict myself to "platonic" relationships. But, with 40 years behind me
of listening to jerks like you --- guess what?? -- I AM NOT CONVINCED
THAT
THIS is HIS WILL!! He not only "allows" me to engage in what you term
"gay
sex" HE demands that I do!! MY LORD wants me to engage in "gay sex". HE
wants me to build a commited relationship of LOVE. Part of that is SEX!!
YOU, Sir, are another IDIOT!!
Well, that certainly wasn't where I thought you were going with this. But, |
here we are.
I will take some solace in the thought that you are the one who degenerated
into name
calling. Why, I don't know, but there we are, again.
The thing is, when does claiming the Bible doesn't mean what it said stop?
You admit that the Bible (therefore God) is opposed to the homosexual act.
I agree there. It does not mean He doesn't love and care for the homosexual
person.
But why quantify it to the past? What do you feel the Bible says about the
role of
women in the church? What of living together out of wedlock? Why do you
equate
love with sex?
The NATURE of man is to sin and rebel against God. That's how we are.
Christ
died and rose again in order to forgive our sins, BUT we need to be
repentent and
stop doing them. Can we? Of course we can't. But we can try and do our
level
best not to. This does not mean you can say, well God made me this way and
will
forgive me. To do that is to be unrepentent.
Take a thief. He knows he's a thief but he is trying to stop. He goes into
a store and
does not intend to take anything, but at the last minute he just can't help
himself
and takes something. He goes home and asks God to forgive him and says that
he
didn't really mean to do it.
Contrast that with the thief who goes into a store thinking, Hmmm, I need a
some new
CD's, I think I'll go stuff some in my pocket, and does so and as he does he
says, sorry
God, I just can't help myself, after all, you made me this way.
Now, which is the sinner? Both are.
But the first is repentant of what he has done. If he were truly sorry he
would
return what he took to the store.
The "God made me this way" argument is nothing but hot air and denial.
Repent and ask God to guide you and BELIEVE and ask Him for the faith
to guide you as you try and shake this sinful behavior. BEING homosexual is
NOT a sin. I believe it is the homosexual act that is the problem. By
abstaining
you are admitting your sinful nature and showing repentance. Might you slip
and
have homosexual relations? Sure, you might. But going out and INTENDING
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Scott
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 4:54 am Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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Yeh! what he said!
"BalaamsAss51" <BalaamsAss51@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:59ade241.0308010648.72c777cf@posting.google.com...
| Quote: | "Gunny" <thegun@charter.net> wrote in message
news:<vik4tniptvah78@corp.supernews.com>...
So. Apparently, you had a bad experience with someone who later
realized
she was gay?? Why extrapolate that to a condemnation of gay folk
generally?? Why not see it a sad testimony to the fact that YOU and
yours
insist on forcing people into UNNATRUAL relationships (for them). The
evil
is not that some are "gay" but that YOU create a world where genuinely
gay
folk feel compelled to "try" to act like perverts -- they are so "cowed"
that they pretend to be "straight".
Typical gay rhetoric. It's the fault of those who follow God's Word
against the sin of homosexuality, not the fault of those doing the
sinning. Crap. I do not accept any gay theories that say that gays
are not sinners in need of repentance and forgiveness. There is
nothing natural about the relationships they seek.
All people sin. All people are sinful. Some people are more inclined
to practice certain types of sins than others. Every sinner must give
up their sin. Every Christian (that is one who has received faith
from God) must try to the best of their abilities to mark and avoid
sin in their lives. It is during this process of sanctification that
the child of God comes to realize that their sin is against God and
must be stopped.
One who is inclinded to set fires must stop. One who lies must stop.
One who practices or thinks they are inclined to acts of perversion
must stop. In trying to live out our lives in accordance with God we
attempt to remove ourselves from sin. We fail. We repent. We are
forgiven. We try to remove ourselves from sin. We fail. We repent.
We are forgiven. We try to remove ourselves from sin.
The Bible condemns all who lie. All who practice sexual perverion.
All who sin in any way. Christians condemn sinners. Christians
condemn sins. Christians must never stop pointing out that mankind is
sinful and must never stop pointing out actual sins.
Homosexuality is a sin. It is a preversion of the natural order which
God established. It is proper and correct to speak out against this
sin. All who feel that they are homosexual are under a delusion.
They must give up all such practices and thoughts. If they cannot be
heterosexual, than they must practice abstinence. Continued, flagrant
persistence in homosexual acts shows a hardening of the heart and a
rejection of God's Word. Repent and eternally live, or persist and
eternally die.
Pax. Col. 2:6-8 |
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Don
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 7:04 am Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 17:54:41 -0400, "Gunny" <thegun@charter.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Scott, you "sound" like a "good" person. Your instincts are Christian. I
applaud you for that.
But I insist. I believe the Bible's injunctions against "lying with a man
as if with a woman" were intended to address a problem that existed then
among non-Christians and exists even to this day.
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1) The Levitical writings were written to a specific tribe at a
specific time for a specific purpose.
2) The same Levitical writings also include many bizarre commands
that Christians today have systematically dismissed as if they are not
valid. Yet, they pull select passages OUT OF CONTEXT and apply them
to 20th Century folks! As the Church Lady said, how conveeenient!
For any who are wondering, I am not talking only about the issue of
sexuality. There are plenty of other scriptures, NT scriptures that
Christians conveniently place under the umbrella of things like, "That
is cultural and doesn't apply to us" or "That was only for THAT
church!" Sounds like selective theology to me.
| Quote: | There are "straights" who
do "the gay act" not out of their nature and for love, but simply to declare
openly that they flaunt God!! Their "god" IS SEX. They only seek the
"thrill" of what is "forbidden". Straight, "queer hating" Marines who sell
their bodies to "homos" are a case in point.
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I know several "queer hating" preachers in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area
who have been "found out" by the congregation...or the police
department. One such preacher is world know for his "BIBLE" studies.
He is now basically inactive in public. Of course, his police record
and Baylor hospital record do not help his case much. (He was in
Baylor several times for the anal-wart problem. Please forgive my
graphic words.)
Another pastor who used to make "queer jokes" while standing in church
was later discovered to be a child molester. He left Dallas for a few
years but may have returned recently.
I wasn't even looking for dirt on folks...these were just situations
that I know about.
D*
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
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Scott
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| Posted: Sat Aug 02, 2003 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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Yes, I'm top posting. I'm not going to be dignifying any
of Don's posts with any reply other than this one. As far
as I am concerned, based on experience, he is just looking
to stir up trouble and I'm not going to let him lead me down
the same non-productive path he did the last time.
"django" <nacmax43@aol.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Don <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:49:42 -0500, "Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom
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The thing is, when does claiming the Bible doesn't mean what it said
stop?
Hey Scott, do women cover their head in your church? Do women keep
silence in your church? Are there any one-eyed folks in your church?
Are there any one-armed people in your church? Do you all "greet each
other with a holy kiss" in your church?
Not trying to be contensious...just wondering how literally you
believe and practice the Bible.
Not you Don, you would never be contentious. None of the above
are below that you have written exornerates homosexual practice
from being a sin condemned by God in His word.
Oh...and how many homosexuals have you lead to the Lord? How many
homosexuals have become heterosexual (according to 1Cor6:9-11) as a
result of your personal witness? Remember THAT is what all the
"ex-gay"ministries claim should happen...
You wouldn't be trying to discourage Scott from taking a
biblically moral postition/stance against homosexuality
would you?
then your former lesbian wife
drops 6 or 8 kids, thereby proving that you are now healed.
(Becoming pregnant is only proof that your plumbing works.)
D*
PS...no, I do not have all of the answers. But I am still waiting to
meet an authentic, objectively-proven "former homosexual."
Don does this apply to you? Having a form of godliness,
but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
II Tim. 3:5
Ever met Joe Dallas? How is he doing these days?
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Remember Don, this can apply just as easily to you
as you deny the word of God and promote homosexual
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Don
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 4:53 am Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:33:38 -0500, "Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom>
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| Quote: | Yes, I'm top posting. I'm not going to be dignifying any
of Don's posts with any reply other than this one. As far
as I am concerned, based on experience, he is just looking
to stir up trouble and I'm not going to let him lead me down
the same non-productive path he did the last time.
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In other words, you have never led a gay person to the Lord? You do
not know even one gay person who has become heterosexual as a result
of your personal ministry to them? You probably don't even know any
gay people!
Typical. Plenty of blather but no actions to back-up your blathering.
D*
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"django" <nacmax43@aol.com> wrote in message
news:8469ce24.0308020754.1202df50@posting.google.com...
Don <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Fri, 1 Aug 2003 18:49:42 -0500, "Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom
wrote:
The thing is, when does claiming the Bible doesn't mean what it said
stop?
Hey Scott, do women cover their head in your church? Do women keep
silence in your church? Are there any one-eyed folks in your church?
Are there any one-armed people in your church? Do you all "greet each
other with a holy kiss" in your church?
Not trying to be contensious...just wondering how literally you
believe and practice the Bible.
Not you Don, you would never be contentious. None of the above
are below that you have written exornerates homosexual practice
from being a sin condemned by God in His word.
Oh...and how many homosexuals have you lead to the Lord? How many
homosexuals have become heterosexual (according to 1Cor6:9-11) as a
result of your personal witness? Remember THAT is what all the
"ex-gay"ministries claim should happen...
You wouldn't be trying to discourage Scott from taking a
biblically moral postition/stance against homosexuality
would you?
then your former lesbian wife
drops 6 or 8 kids, thereby proving that you are now healed.
(Becoming pregnant is only proof that your plumbing works.)
D*
PS...no, I do not have all of the answers. But I am still waiting to
meet an authentic, objectively-proven "former homosexual."
Don does this apply to you? Having a form of godliness,
but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
II Tim. 3:5
Ever met Joe Dallas? How is he doing these days?
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
Remember Don, this can apply just as easily to you
as you deny the word of God and promote homosexual
practice.
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People think that epilepsy is divine simply because they don't have any idea what causes epilepsy.
But I believe that someday we will understand what causes epilepsy, and at that moment,
we will cease to believe that it's divine. And so it is with everything in the universe.
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Scott
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"Don" <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On 2 Aug 2003 08:54:58 -0700, nacmax43@aol.com (django) wrote:
Ever met Joe Dallas? How is he doing these days?
Just a bit more about your hero, Joe Dallas. You are probably aware
of his 1996 book, "A Strong Delusion." I mentioned before that Joe
Dallas was not gay. In fact, Joe Dallas was bisexually promiscuous.
His own book reports that by the time he was 23 he had been defrocked
because of his sexual escapades. He then committed adultery with the
wife of a close friend--losing a child to abortion as a result. In the
workshop he said that he slept with young girls and women as well as
with young boys and men.
He was not gay.
D*
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He sure doesn't sound like much of a role model either.
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People think that epilepsy is divine simply because they don't have any
idea what causes epilepsy.
But I believe that someday we will understand what causes epilepsy, and at
that moment,
we will cease to believe that it's divine. And so it is with everything in
the universe.
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:18:57 -0500, "Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom>
wrote:
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"Don" <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On 2 Aug 2003 08:54:58 -0700, nacmax43@aol.com (django) wrote:
Ever met Joe Dallas? How is he doing these days?
Just a bit more about your hero, Joe Dallas. You are probably aware
of his 1996 book, "A Strong Delusion." I mentioned before that Joe
Dallas was not gay. In fact, Joe Dallas was bisexually promiscuous.
His own book reports that by the time he was 23 he had been defrocked
because of his sexual escapades. He then committed adultery with the
wife of a close friend--losing a child to abortion as a result. In the
workshop he said that he slept with young girls and women as well as
with young boys and men.
He was not gay.
D*
He sure doesn't sound like much of a role model either.
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I think it is disingenuous to used someone like Joe Dallas to
represent ex-gays, since he is obviously NOT an ex-gay. He has many
more problems unrelated to being gay. But, he sounds convincing on
the radio and as a public speaker! So James $128 million Dobson uses
Joe Dallas and John I-didn't-know-it-was-a-gay-bar Paulk to promote
the ex-gay movement, although neither are ex-gay!!! Nothing like
good, Christian honesty, is it!?! It guess they rationalize lying is
OK, if it is for a good cause.
D*
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves,
but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russell
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
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Don
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:18:57 -0500, "Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom>
wrote:
| Quote: | "Don" <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0jloiv4mii3am46bde8gl5g9ll9elrohrf@4ax.com...
On 2 Aug 2003 08:54:58 -0700, nacmax43@aol.com (django) wrote:
Ever met Joe Dallas? How is he doing these days?
Just a bit more about your hero, Joe Dallas. You are probably aware
of his 1996 book, "A Strong Delusion." I mentioned before that Joe
Dallas was not gay. In fact, Joe Dallas was bisexually promiscuous.
His own book reports that by the time he was 23 he had been defrocked
because of his sexual escapades. He then committed adultery with the
wife of a close friend--losing a child to abortion as a result. In the
workshop he said that he slept with young girls and women as well as
with young boys and men.
He was not gay.
D*
He sure doesn't sound like much of a role model either.
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The fact is you don't know any heterosexuals who used to be gay.
Neither does Joe Dallas or John Paulk...especially those two!
D*
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves,
but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russell
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
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Gabby
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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"Andrew Friedl" <affriedl@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | I know one. He is now married and his ministry in the Seventh Day
Adventist
Church is too help other homosexuals to kick the habit and go straight.
Of
course I don't expect you to believe it or accept it. But there you have
it.
I've known lots of married gays. Didn't make them any less gay, just made |
them more 'socially acceptable' at the time. It also made them desperately
unhappy.
Suzanne |
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iconoclasta
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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"Don" <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | On Sat, 2 Aug 2003 23:18:57 -0500, "Scott" <brn2dipATyahooDOTcom
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"Don" <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On 2 Aug 2003 08:54:58 -0700, nacmax43@aol.com (django) wrote:
Ever met Joe Dallas? How is he doing these days?
Just a bit more about your hero, Joe Dallas. You are probably aware
of his 1996 book, "A Strong Delusion." I mentioned before that Joe
Dallas was not gay. In fact, Joe Dallas was bisexually promiscuous.
His own book reports that by the time he was 23 he had been defrocked
because of his sexual escapades. He then committed adultery with the
wife of a close friend--losing a child to abortion as a result. In the
workshop he said that he slept with young girls and women as well as
with young boys and men.
He was not gay.
D*
He sure doesn't sound like much of a role model either.
I think it is disingenuous to used someone like Joe Dallas to
represent ex-gays, since he is obviously NOT an ex-gay. He has many
more problems unrelated to being gay. But, he sounds convincing on
the radio and as a public speaker! So James $128 million Dobson uses
Joe Dallas and John I-didn't-know-it-was-a-gay-bar Paulk to promote
the ex-gay movement, although neither are ex-gay!!! Nothing like
good, Christian honesty, is it!?! It guess they rationalize lying is
OK, if it is for a good cause.
D*
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Of course we must realize that there is no such thing as a homosexual or
bisexual or heterosexual, only a matter of overt practice and training.
ALL male sex is only a matter of how far out of "hand" it gets. |
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Fletis Humplebacker
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2003 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Same-Sex Marriages? NO . . HELL NO! |
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"Don"
| Quote: | "Don" <calldonREMOVE@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On 2 Aug 2003 08:54:58 -0700, nacmax43@aol.com (django) wrote:
Ever met Joe Dallas? How is he doing these days?
Just a bit more about your hero, Joe Dallas. You are probably aware
of his 1996 book, "A Strong Delusion." I mentioned before that Joe
Dallas was not gay. In fact, Joe Dallas was bisexually promiscuous.
His own book reports that by the time he was 23 he had been defrocked
because of his sexual escapades. He then committed adultery with the
wife of a close friend--losing a child to abortion as a result. In the
workshop he said that he slept with young girls and women as well as
with young boys and men.
He was not gay.
D*
He sure doesn't sound like much of a role model either.
The fact is you don't know any heterosexuals who used to be gay.
Neither does Joe Dallas or John Paulk...especially those two!
D*
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That must be your biggest threat so you label who is and who is not gay.
They are apparently unqualified to speak for themselves.
http://www.exodus-international.org/testimonials_left_HomoSexuality.shtml |
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