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On Jul 29, 3:34 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Very misleading comment, snow. God's 10+1 commandments are final. And God
himself said that the Levi laws are old and worn out and need replacing.
Then how do you explain not keeping the 7th day Sabbath? Elohim or
his son ????? Messiah never said such a thing unless of course you
believe the Messiah was a puppet and needed to have missionary Paul
speak for him. The Messiah isn't like our Father, who was a spirit...
Yaheshua said that if you wish to enter into life, keep the
commandments.
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< Neither God nor the Messiah said what day the "Sabbath" is. God
said he worked
< for 6 days and rested on the 7th. We Christians do the same. The
Son of God
< rose from the dead on "Sunday" to begin the new covenant and shelve
the old
< covenant as old and worn out.
The fact that your against the chosen people of Israel is evident in
your view of things, in my opinion. Elohim made it clear what day was
the Sabbath.
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of יהוה your Elohim.
The seventh day is the Sabbath. Even on the modern pagan calendar,
this 7th day is preserved as Saturn day. The fact that your now
disputing when the Messiah rose out of his grave is a result of your
failure. The "Lord's Day" of Sunday, as per Christians man made
tradition, is not scriptural or even true. You don't understand this
fact because you keep Pagan Easter instead of his Passover.
Exo 16:4 And יהוה said to Mosheh, “See, I am raining bread from the
heavens for you. And the people shall go out and gather a day’s
portion every day, in order to try them, whether they walk in My Torah
or not.
Exo 16:5 “And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare
what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather
daily.”
The Sabbath predates the covenant of Moses as you already know and
ignore.
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because
on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.
It goes back to the very creation account of the world and by keeping
this true Sabbath, we acknowledge the creator.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Joh 1:3 All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came
to be that came to be.
You will continue to ignore his Sabbath, created from the foundations
of the world because you have a hardened heart that only wishes to
maintain your man made tradition and in it you have identified
yourself to not believe in Elohim and the word of his creation and by
extension, the Messiah who was the word. I know that the book of
Hebrews is an uninspired LIE and has no place in scripture but even
that LIE acknowledges the Sabbath.
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
You choose to ignore the fact that every author of scripture kept the
Sabbath, I've shown you a hundred times now and so I know you will not
change but the lie of SUN day worship will not prevail.
Eze 20:20 ‘And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between
Me and you, to know that I am יהוה your Elohim.’
You choose to ignore his Sabbath to your own peril and make up reasons
that aren't written in scripture like, "The Son of God rose from the
dead on Sunday".
Mat 28:1 In the end(G3796) of the sabbath,G4521 as it began to
dawnG2020 towardG1519 the firstG3391 day of the week,G4521
Going back to the root of what is written, we find the alteration that
has been made. This is one of Eight times this happens after the
resurrection.
We notice that the same word is translated differently and the word
SABBATH is changed to read "day of the week".
We find the evil of the false church has removed the word and changed
it and placed a curse on all following generations... this is your
inspired bible but it should read:
In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward one Sabbath.
The High Sabbath being Passover and then the Feast of Unleavened Bread
followed by the weekly Sabbath.
Any verse that SUNday worshippers use to attempt to justify the false
belief that the Sabbath was abolished has been expunged of the word in
every edition of the bible. To be clear, all version removed the
words from post resurrection scriptures used to justify a false
practice.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed have been used
to justify false worship by the modern church and I challenge any
SUNday worshipper to explain this and the keeping of mans tradition
instead of the sign of the true believers that keep the commandments.
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain..’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Every time I speak with you I give you all the references to the
scripture.
Mat 15:7 “Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying,
Mat 15:8 ‘This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me
with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 ‘But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the
commands of men.’ ”
They tear all the scriptures apart and ignore the Ten Commandments
that will save your life if you guard them in your heart.
Eze 20:12 “And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1 between
them and Me, to know that I am יהוה who sets them apart.. Footnote:
1See Ex. 31:13-17.
It’s a hard pill to swallow but the fact is that every church not
keeping the Sabbath is submitting to the authority of man and not
Elohim. They are keeping the commandments of men and they will fight
bitterly to retain the false knowledge that the post messianic church
should observe a SUNday Sabbath as they have since men like
Constantine and many others bastardized the church with pagan
practices like Christmas and Easter.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.
Scriptures are clear in that we are to guard the Commandments and keep
our belief in the Messiah. If we hold a belief in the Good News of
יהושע Messiah, we practice what he taught us and his words take
ultimate authority in our lives.
Mat 5:48 “Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/ |
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guardian Snow
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:03 am Post subject: Re: The bible is not "all inspired". |
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On Jul 29, 10:33 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 29, 3:34 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Very misleading comment, snow. God's 10+1 commandments are final. And God
himself said that the Levi laws are old and worn out and need replacing.
Then how do you explain not keeping the 7th day Sabbath? Elohim or
his son ????? Messiah never said such a thing unless of course you
believe the Messiah was a puppet and needed to have missionary Paul
speak for him. The Messiah isn't like our Father, who was a spirit...
Yaheshua said that if you wish to enter into life, keep the
commandments.
Neither God nor the Messiah said what day the "Sabbath" is. God
said he worked
for 6 days and rested on the 7th. We Christians do the same. The
Son of God
rose from the dead on "Sunday" to begin the new covenant and shelve
the old
covenant as old and worn out.
The fact that your against the chosen people of Israel is evident in
your view of things, in my opinion. Elohim made it clear what day was
the Sabbath.
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of יהוה your Elohim.
The seventh day is the Sabbath. Even on the modern pagan calendar,
this 7th day is preserved as Saturn day. The fact that your now
disputing when the Messiah rose out of his grave is a result of your
failure. The "Lord's Day" of Sunday, as per Christians man made
tradition, is not scriptural or even true. You don't understand this
fact because you keep Pagan Easter instead of his Passover.
Exo 16:4 And יהוה said to Mosheh, “See, I am raining bread from the
heavens for you. And the people shall go out and gather a day’s
portion every day, in order to try them, whether they walk in My Torah
or not.
Exo 16:5 “And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare
what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather
daily.”
The Sabbath predates the covenant of Moses as you already know and
ignore.
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because
on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.
It goes back to the very creation account of the world and by keeping
this true Sabbath, we acknowledge the creator.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Joh 1:3 All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came
to be that came to be.
You will continue to ignore his Sabbath, created from the foundations
of the world because you have a hardened heart that only wishes to
maintain your man made tradition and in it you have identified
yourself to not believe in Elohim and the word of his creation and by
extension, the Messiah who was the word. I know that the book of
Hebrews is an uninspired LIE and has no place in scripture but even
that LIE acknowledges the Sabbath.
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
You choose to ignore the fact that every author of scripture kept the
Sabbath, I've shown you a hundred times now and so I know you will not
change but the lie of SUN day worship will not prevail.
Eze 20:20 ‘And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between
Me and you, to know that I am יהוה your Elohim.’
You choose to ignore his Sabbath to your own peril and make up reasons
that aren't written in scripture like, "The Son of God rose from the
dead on Sunday".
Mat 28:1 In the end(G3796) of the sabbath,G4521 as it began to
dawnG2020 towardG1519 the firstG3391 day of the week,G4521
Going back to the root of what is written, we find the alteration that
has been made. This is one of Eight times this happens after the
resurrection.
We notice that the same word is translated differently and the word
SABBATH is changed to read "day of the week".
We find the evil of the false church has removed the word and changed
it and placed a curse on all following generations... this is your
inspired bible but it should read:
In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward one Sabbath.
The High Sabbath being Passover and then the Feast of Unleavened Bread
followed by the weekly Sabbath.
Any verse that SUNday worshippers use to attempt to justify the false
belief that the Sabbath was abolished has been expunged of the word in
every edition of the bible. To be clear, all version removed the
words from post resurrection scriptures used to justify a false
practice.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed have been used
to justify false worship by the modern church and I challenge any
SUNday worshipper to explain this and the keeping of mans tradition
instead of the sign of the true believers that keep the commandments.
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Every time I speak with you I give you all the references to the
scripture.
Mat 15:7 “Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying,
Mat 15:8 ‘This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me
with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 ‘But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the
commands of men.’ ”
They tear all the scriptures apart and ignore the Ten Commandments
that will save your life if you guard them in your heart.
Eze 20:12 “And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1 between
them and Me, to know that I am יהוה who sets them apart. Footnote:
1See Ex. 31:13-17.
It’s a hard pill to swallow but the fact is that every church not
keeping the Sabbath is submitting to the authority of man and not
Elohim. They are keeping the commandments of men and they will fight
bitterly to retain the false knowledge that the post messianic church
should observe a SUNday Sabbath as they have since men like
Constantine and many others bastardized the church with pagan
practices like Christmas and Easter.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.
Scriptures are clear in that we are to guard the Commandments and keep
our belief in the Messiah. If we hold a belief in the Good News of
יהושע Messiah, we practice what he taught us and his words take
ultimate authority in our lives.
Mat 5:48 “Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free athttp://www.isr-messianic.org/
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Act 12:4
(VW) So when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and
delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to guard him, intending
to bring him out to the people after Passover.
(KJV)
Act 12:4 And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and
delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending
after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
(The Scriptures 1998+)
So when he had seized him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to
four squads of soldiers to watch over him, intending to bring him
before the people after Passover.
Now the more modern messianic versions have corrected the paganism of
the KJV bible but consider this verse and it's mention of Easter. Why
the "church fathers" were so eager to remove any mention of Judaism
and Passover is telling as to how eager they were to inject pagan
beliefs into your bible.
Many times I've heard the KJV only bible... people say it's "inspired"
from cover to cover and this clearly isn't the case. So if you can
recognize this injection of a pagan belief, doesn't it go to start and
show that other examples are in the text?
Shalom,
*´¨)
¸.•´ ¸.•*´¨) ¸.•*¨)
(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum. |
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duke
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| Posted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: Re: The bible is not "all inspired". |
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On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:33:16 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow <snowpheonix@eck.net.au>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 29, 3:34 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Very misleading comment, snow. God's 10+1 commandments are final. And God
himself said that the Levi laws are old and worn out and need replacing.
Then how do you explain not keeping the 7th day Sabbath? Elohim or
his son ????? Messiah never said such a thing unless of course you
believe the Messiah was a puppet and needed to have missionary Paul
speak for him. The Messiah isn't like our Father, who was a spirit...
Yaheshua said that if you wish to enter into life, keep the
commandments.
Neither God nor the Messiah said what day the "Sabbath" is. God
said he worked
for 6 days and rested on the 7th. We Christians do the same. The
Son of God
rose from the dead on "Sunday" to begin the new covenant and shelve
the old
covenant as old and worn out.
The fact that your against the chosen people of Israel is evident in
your view of things, in my opinion. Elohim made it clear what day was
the Sabbath.
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of ???? your Elohim.
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Maybe he started working on a Monday. What makes you think the calendar that
the first known man, Abraham, was accurate?
| Quote: | The seventh day is the Sabbath. Even on the modern pagan calendar,
this 7th day is preserved as Saturn day. The fact that your now
disputing when the Messiah rose out of his grave is a result of your
failure. The "Lord's Day" of Sunday, as per Christians man made
tradition, is not scriptural or even true. You don't understand this
fact because you keep Pagan Easter instead of his Passover.
Exo 16:4 And ???? said to Mosheh, See, I am raining bread from the
heavens for you. And the people shall go out and gather a days
portion every day, in order to try them, whether they walk in My Torah
or not.
Exo 16:5 And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare
what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather
daily.
The Sabbath predates the covenant of Moses as you already know and
ignore.
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because
on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.
It goes back to the very creation account of the world and by keeping
this true Sabbath, we acknowledge the creator.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Joh 1:3 All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came
to be that came to be.
You will continue to ignore his Sabbath, created from the foundations
of the world because you have a hardened heart that only wishes to
maintain your man made tradition and in it you have identified
yourself to not believe in Elohim and the word of his creation and by
extension, the Messiah who was the word. I know that the book of
Hebrews is an uninspired LIE and has no place in scripture but even
that LIE acknowledges the Sabbath.
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
You choose to ignore the fact that every author of scripture kept the
Sabbath, I've shown you a hundred times now and so I know you will not
change but the lie of SUN day worship will not prevail.
Eze 20:20 And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between
Me and you, to know that I am ???? your Elohim.
You choose to ignore his Sabbath to your own peril and make up reasons
that aren't written in scripture like, "The Son of God rose from the
dead on Sunday".
Mat 28:1 In the end(G3796) of the sabbath,G4521 as it began to
dawnG2020 towardG1519 the firstG3391 day of the week,G4521
Going back to the root of what is written, we find the alteration that
has been made. This is one of Eight times this happens after the
resurrection.
We notice that the same word is translated differently and the word
SABBATH is changed to read "day of the week".
We find the evil of the false church has removed the word and changed
it and placed a curse on all following generations... this is your
inspired bible but it should read:
In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward one Sabbath.
The High Sabbath being Passover and then the Feast of Unleavened Bread
followed by the weekly Sabbath.
Any verse that SUNday worshippers use to attempt to justify the false
belief that the Sabbath was abolished has been expunged of the word in
every edition of the bible. To be clear, all version removed the
words from post resurrection scriptures used to justify a false
practice.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed have been used
to justify false worship by the modern church and I challenge any
SUNday worshipper to explain this and the keeping of mans tradition
instead of the sign of the true believers that keep the commandments.
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Ya?aqob?, Seek Me in vain. I am ????,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Every time I speak with you I give you all the references to the
scripture.
Mat 15:7 Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me
with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the
commands of men.
They tear all the scriptures apart and ignore the Ten Commandments
that will save your life if you guard them in your heart.
Eze 20:12 And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1 between
them and Me, to know that I am ???? who sets them apart. Footnote:
1See Ex. 31:13-17.
Its a hard pill to swallow but the fact is that every church not
keeping the Sabbath is submitting to the authority of man and not
Elohim. They are keeping the commandments of men and they will fight
bitterly to retain the false knowledge that the post messianic church
should observe a SUNday Sabbath as they have since men like
Constantine and many others bastardized the church with pagan
practices like Christmas and Easter.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of ?????.
Scriptures are clear in that we are to guard the Commandments and keep
our belief in the Messiah. If we hold a belief in the Good News of
????? Messiah, we practice what he taught us and his words take
ultimate authority in our lives.
Mat 5:48 Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.
Shalom,
*)
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(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
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guardian Snow
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| Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:30 am Post subject: Re: The bible is not "all inspired". |
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On Jul 31, 2:01 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:33:16 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au
wrote:
On Jul 29, 3:34 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Very misleading comment, snow. God's 10+1 commandments are final. And God
himself said that the Levi laws are old and worn out and need replacing.
Then how do you explain not keeping the 7th day Sabbath? Elohim or
his son ????? Messiah never said such a thing unless of course you
believe the Messiah was a puppet and needed to have missionary Paul
speak for him. The Messiah isn't like our Father, who was a spirit....
Yaheshua said that if you wish to enter into life, keep the
commandments.
Neither God nor the Messiah said what day the "Sabbath" is. God
said he worked
for 6 days and rested on the 7th. We Christians do the same. The
Son of God
rose from the dead on "Sunday" to begin the new covenant and shelve
the old
covenant as old and worn out.
The fact that your against the chosen people of Israel is evident in
your view of things, in my opinion. Elohim made it clear what day was
the Sabbath.
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of ???? your Elohim.
Maybe he started working on a Monday. What makes you think the |
calendar that
< the first known man, Abraham, was accurate?
This is how we demonstrate our love of the Father? You present an
interesting idea that was written about:
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and
shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times
and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times
and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his
dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the
kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the
saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and
all dominions shall serve and obey him.
"serve and obey"... ask yourself who do they serve and obey.
Shalom,
*)
. .*) .*)
(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum.
| Quote: | The seventh day is the Sabbath. Even on the modern pagan calendar,
this 7th day is preserved as Saturn day. The fact that your now
disputing when the Messiah rose out of his grave is a result of your
failure. The "Lord's Day" of Sunday, as per Christians man made
tradition, is not scriptural or even true. You don't understand this
fact because you keep Pagan Easter instead of his Passover.
Exo 16:4 And ???? said to Mosheh, See, I am raining bread from the
heavens for you. And the people shall go out and gather a days
portion every day, in order to try them, whether they walk in My Torah
or not.
Exo 16:5 And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare
what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather
daily.
The Sabbath predates the covenant of Moses as you already know and
ignore.
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because
on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.
It goes back to the very creation account of the world and by keeping
this true Sabbath, we acknowledge the creator.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Joh 1:3 All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came
to be that came to be.
You will continue to ignore his Sabbath, created from the foundations
of the world because you have a hardened heart that only wishes to
maintain your man made tradition and in it you have identified
yourself to not believe in Elohim and the word of his creation and by
extension, the Messiah who was the word. I know that the book of
Hebrews is an uninspired LIE and has no place in scripture but even
that LIE acknowledges the Sabbath.
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
You choose to ignore the fact that every author of scripture kept the
Sabbath, I've shown you a hundred times now and so I know you will not
change but the lie of SUN day worship will not prevail.
Eze 20:20 And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between
Me and you, to know that I am ???? your Elohim.
You choose to ignore his Sabbath to your own peril and make up reasons
that aren't written in scripture like, "The Son of God rose from the
dead on Sunday".
Mat 28:1 In the end(G3796) of the sabbath,G4521 as it began to
dawnG2020 towardG1519 the firstG3391 day of the week,G4521
Going back to the root of what is written, we find the alteration that
has been made. This is one of Eight times this happens after the
resurrection.
We notice that the same word is translated differently and the word
SABBATH is changed to read "day of the week".
We find the evil of the false church has removed the word and changed
it and placed a curse on all following generations... this is your
inspired bible but it should read:
In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward one Sabbath.
The High Sabbath being Passover and then the Feast of Unleavened Bread
followed by the weekly Sabbath.
Any verse that SUNday worshippers use to attempt to justify the false
belief that the Sabbath was abolished has been expunged of the word in
every edition of the bible. To be clear, all version removed the
words from post resurrection scriptures used to justify a false
practice.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed have been used
to justify false worship by the modern church and I challenge any
SUNday worshipper to explain this and the keeping of mans tradition
instead of the sign of the true believers that keep the commandments.
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Ya?aqob?, Seek Me in vain. I am ????,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Every time I speak with you I give you all the references to the
scripture.
Mat 15:7 Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me
with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the
commands of men.
They tear all the scriptures apart and ignore the Ten Commandments
that will save your life if you guard them in your heart.
Eze 20:12 And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1 between
them and Me, to know that I am ???? who sets them apart. Footnote:
1See Ex. 31:13-17.
Its a hard pill to swallow but the fact is that every church not
keeping the Sabbath is submitting to the authority of man and not
Elohim. They are keeping the commandments of men and they will fight
bitterly to retain the false knowledge that the post messianic church
should observe a SUNday Sabbath as they have since men like
Constantine and many others bastardized the church with pagan
practices like Christmas and Easter.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of ?????.
Scriptures are clear in that we are to guard the Commandments and keep
our belief in the Messiah. If we hold a belief in the Good News of
????? Messiah, we practice what he taught us and his words take
ultimate authority in our lives.
Mat 5:48 Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.
Shalom,
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(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
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On Jul 31, 10:21 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | We know that Christ was born in 4BC and some say 6BC, I think. That makes our
calendars off by the requisite years.
So tell me, how do you now that God didn't start on Monday, and it's the Hebrews
that misnumbered the Sabbath day and hence celebrate the wrong day?
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Nice way to confuse the issue but that doesn't change the calendar or
the fact that for thousands of years the Hebrews have faithfully kept
alive the tradition from Sabbath to Sabbath. Since this isn't worth
debating I should also point out that the KJV is uninspired in the
arena of the name of our Messiah and Elohim.
Here is one example where the true name of of יהושע Messiah was
correctly preserved.
http://www.eliyah.com/lxx.html
It's interesting because the translators were in such a hurry to
change the name from the English equivalent of Joshua to Jesus that
they changed it twice when they shouldn't have.
(KJV)
Heb 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward
have spoken of another day.
Act 7:44 Our fathers had the tabernacle of witness in the wilderness,
as he had appointed, speaking unto Moses, that he should make it
according to the fashion that he had seen.
Act 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus
into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the
face of our fathers, unto the days of David;
Modern versions have corrected this mistake:
(Scriptures +1998)
Heb 4:8 For if Yehoshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken
of another day after that.
Act 7:45 which our fathers, having received it in turn, also brought
with Yehoshua
Isn't it sad to think that you don't even know the name of the
Messiah? It's not Jesus or Iesos Christos. I suppose that most
people don't even know that the letter "J" is only about 500 years
old.
(KJV 1611)
Act 7:45 Which also our fathers that came after, brought in with
Iesus into the
Act 4:10 Be it knowen vnto you all, and to all the people of Israel,
that by the Name of Iesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whome
God raised from the dead, euen by him, doeth this man stand here
before you, whole.
Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders,
which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12 Neither is there saluation in any other: for there is none
other name vnder
I think your "inspired" theology is quickly falling apart.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
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On Jul 30, 11:01am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:33:16 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au
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Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of ???? your Elohim.
Maybe he started working on a Monday. What makes you think the calendar that
the first known man, Abraham, was accurate?
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40 years in the Wilderness, manna for 6 days, then one day off. And
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On Jul 31, 9:32am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | I think your "inspired" theology is quickly falling apart.
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Col 2:16-17, " Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or
in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
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On Aug 1, 12:52 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 31, 9:32 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I think your "inspired" theology is quickly falling apart.
Col 2:16-17, " Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or
in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
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No man will judge you either but rest assured my friend, you have one
judge and just in case your cut and past theology forgot to include
this...
Col 2:8 See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy
and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the
elementary matters of the world,1 and not according to Messiah.
Footnote: 1See v. 20, and Gal. 4:3 & 9.
Again repeated about the traditions of MEN...
Col 2:21 “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle” –
Col 2:22 which are all to perish with use – according to the commands
and teachings of men?1 Footnote: 1Note: commands and teachings of men,
not of Elohim.
NOT OF ELOHIM. Your cut and paste theology forgets that he's telling
you to follow Elohim's tradition, not mens.
Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to set it apart.
Exo 20:9 “Six days you labour, and shall do all your work,
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of יהוה your Elohim. You
do not do any work – you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your
male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your
stranger who is within your gates. Footnote: 1There are other
Sabbaths, but this is the weekly Sabbath.
Exo 20:11 “For in six days יהוה made the heavens and the earth, the
sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore
יהוה blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
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On Aug 1, 12:52 am, LiamToo <liamtoo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 31, 9:32 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
I think your "inspired" theology is quickly falling apart.
Col 2:16-17, " Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or
in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."
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I have to say.. It's almost a joke that people throw this verse out
and it's almost like to them it says:
Toss out the Sabbath because God's not going to judge you based on
that.
It says nothing of the sort. The very fact that it mentions the Torah
COMMANDMENT of the Sabbath should be your first indication.
Col 2:8 See to it that no one makes a prey of you through philosophy
and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the
elementary matters of the world, and not according to Messiah.
So first off, what was the Messiah's tradition?
Luk 4:16 And He came to Natsareth, where He had been brought up. And
according to His practice, He went into the congregation on the
Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
What was Paul tradition after the the resurection?
Act 17:2 And according to his practice, Sha’ul went in unto them, and
for three Sabbaths was reasoning with them from the Scriptures,
So why is he telling you to let NO MAN judge you?
Psa 51:4 Against You, You alone, have I sinned, And done evil in Your
eyes; That You might be proven right in Your words; Be clear when You
judge.
Because if we sin it is against Elohim alone and he alone is our judge
and thats why no man should judge you on keeping the Sabbath.. but at
no point does he say not to keep the Sabbath.
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
Because Sabbath keeping remains for the people of Elohim for eternity.
Exo 31:13 “And you, speak to the children of Yisra’ĕl, saying, ‘My
Sabbaths you are to guard, by all means, for it is a sign1 between Me
and you throughout your generations, to know that I, יהוה, am setting
you apart. Footnote: 1The only sign of יהוה setting us apart, the only
sign of the everlasting covenant, is His Sabbaths, one of them being
the seventh day Sabbath. This is repeated in Ezek. 20:12 & 20.
Can you read everlasting covenant? How do we know that this applies
to more then just Israel?
Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but
fellow citizens with the set-apart ones and members of the household
of Elohim,
Your citizens in the household.
Isa 56:2 “Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who
lays hold on it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding
his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 “And let not the son of the foreigner who has joined himself
to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His
people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ ”
Isa 56:4 For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths,
and have chosen what pleases Me, and hold fast to My covenant:
Isa 56:5 to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place
and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an
everlasting name that is not cut off.
Isa 56:6 “Also the sons of the foreigner who join themselves to יהוה,
to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all
who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and hold fast to My
covenant –
Isa 56:7 them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them
rejoice in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their
slaughterings are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house
of prayer for all the peoples.”
Including even sons of foreigners, strangers and even eunuchs will be
given a part of his house if they guard his Sabbath...
The sign of Elohim and his people, period. Man may not judge you but
Elohim will... will you hold fast to mans tradition or Elohim's, that
is the question that will determine your life.
Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass
away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till
all be done.1 Footnote: 1Lk. 16:17.
Mat 5:19 “Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens;
but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the
reign of the heavens.
Shalom,
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But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
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On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:30:18 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow <snowpheonix@eck.net.au>
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| Quote: | Maybe he started working on a Monday. What makes you think the
calendar that
the first known man, Abraham, was accurate?
This is how we demonstrate our love of the Father? You present an
interesting idea that was written about:
Dan 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and
shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times
and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times
and the dividing of time.
Dan 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his
dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the
kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the
saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and
all dominions shall serve and obey him.
"serve and obey"... ask yourself who do they serve and obey.
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We know that Christ was born in 4BC and some say 6BC, I think. That makes our
calendars off by the requisite years.
So tell me, how do you now that God didn't start on Monday, and it's the Hebrews
that misnumbered the Sabbath day and hence celebrate the wrong day?
Smile, snow.
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On Jul 31, 2:01 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
| Quote: | On Mon, 28 Jul 2008 17:33:16 -0700 (PDT), guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au
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On Jul 29, 3:34 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Very misleading comment, snow. God's 10+1 commandments are final. And God
himself said that the Levi laws are old and worn out and need replacing.
Then how do you explain not keeping the 7th day Sabbath? Elohim or
his son ????? Messiah never said such a thing unless of course you
believe the Messiah was a puppet and needed to have missionary Paul
speak for him. The Messiah isn't like our Father, who was a spirit....
Yaheshua said that if you wish to enter into life, keep the
commandments.
Neither God nor the Messiah said what day the "Sabbath" is. God
said he worked
for 6 days and rested on the 7th. We Christians do the same. The
Son of God
rose from the dead on "Sunday" to begin the new covenant and shelve
the old
covenant as old and worn out.
The fact that your against the chosen people of Israel is evident in
your view of things, in my opinion. Elohim made it clear what day was
the Sabbath.
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of ???? your Elohim.
Maybe he started working on a Monday. What makes you think the calendar that
the first known man, Abraham, was accurate?
The seventh day is the Sabbath. Even on the modern pagan calendar,
this 7th day is preserved as Saturn day. The fact that your now
disputing when the Messiah rose out of his grave is a result of your
failure. The "Lord's Day" of Sunday, as per Christians man made
tradition, is not scriptural or even true. You don't understand this
fact because you keep Pagan Easter instead of his Passover.
Exo 16:4 And ???? said to Mosheh, See, I am raining bread from the
heavens for you. And the people shall go out and gather a days
portion every day, in order to try them, whether they walk in My Torah
or not.
Exo 16:5 And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare
what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather
daily.
The Sabbath predates the covenant of Moses as you already know and
ignore.
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because
on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.
It goes back to the very creation account of the world and by keeping
this true Sabbath, we acknowledge the creator.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Joh 1:3 All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came
to be that came to be.
You will continue to ignore his Sabbath, created from the foundations
of the world because you have a hardened heart that only wishes to
maintain your man made tradition and in it you have identified
yourself to not believe in Elohim and the word of his creation and by
extension, the Messiah who was the word. I know that the book of
Hebrews is an uninspired LIE and has no place in scripture but even
that LIE acknowledges the Sabbath.
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
You choose to ignore the fact that every author of scripture kept the
Sabbath, I've shown you a hundred times now and so I know you will not
change but the lie of SUN day worship will not prevail.
Eze 20:20 And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between
Me and you, to know that I am ???? your Elohim.
You choose to ignore his Sabbath to your own peril and make up reasons
that aren't written in scripture like, "The Son of God rose from the
dead on Sunday".
Mat 28:1 In the end(G3796) of the sabbath,G4521 as it began to
dawnG2020 towardG1519 the firstG3391 day of the week,G4521
Going back to the root of what is written, we find the alteration that
has been made. This is one of Eight times this happens after the
resurrection.
We notice that the same word is translated differently and the word
SABBATH is changed to read "day of the week".
We find the evil of the false church has removed the word and changed
it and placed a curse on all following generations... this is your
inspired bible but it should read:
In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward one Sabbath.
The High Sabbath being Passover and then the Feast of Unleavened Bread
followed by the weekly Sabbath.
Any verse that SUNday worshippers use to attempt to justify the false
belief that the Sabbath was abolished has been expunged of the word in
every edition of the bible. To be clear, all version removed the
words from post resurrection scriptures used to justify a false
practice.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed have been used
to justify false worship by the modern church and I challenge any
SUNday worshipper to explain this and the keeping of mans tradition
instead of the sign of the true believers that keep the commandments.
Isa 45:19 I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Ya?aqob?, Seek Me in vain. I am ????,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Every time I speak with you I give you all the references to the
scripture.
Mat 15:7 Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me
with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the
commands of men.
They tear all the scriptures apart and ignore the Ten Commandments
that will save your life if you guard them in your heart.
Eze 20:12 And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1 between
them and Me, to know that I am ???? who sets them apart. Footnote:
1See Ex. 31:13-17.
Its a hard pill to swallow but the fact is that every church not
keeping the Sabbath is submitting to the authority of man and not
Elohim. They are keeping the commandments of men and they will fight
bitterly to retain the false knowledge that the post messianic church
should observe a SUNday Sabbath as they have since men like
Constantine and many others bastardized the church with pagan
practices like Christmas and Easter.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of ?????.
Scriptures are clear in that we are to guard the Commandments and keep
our belief in the Messiah. If we hold a belief in the Good News of
????? Messiah, we practice what he taught us and his words take
ultimate authority in our lives.
Mat 5:48 Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.
Shalom,
*)
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(. (. (Snow(..*)
But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the
least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-
cheeked harlot we have got hold of.
Lord Byron
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
duke, American-American
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I got to at least give you credit Duke... At least you have the guts
to stand up and share your thoughts. You would think with all those
people that talk about how inspired all the books of the bible are,
somebody would stand up.
Maybe they are starting to realize the paganism thats in the
scriptures.
Shalom,
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Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins
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On Jul 29, 10:33 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | On Jul 29, 3:34 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
Very misleading comment, snow. God's 10+1 commandments are final. And God
himself said that the Levi laws are old and worn out and need replacing.
Then how do you explain not keeping the 7th day Sabbath? Elohim or
his son ????? Messiah never said such a thing unless of course you
believe the Messiah was a puppet and needed to have missionary Paul
speak for him. The Messiah isn't like our Father, who was a spirit...
Yaheshua said that if you wish to enter into life, keep the
commandments.
Neither God nor the Messiah said what day the "Sabbath" is. God
said he worked
for 6 days and rested on the 7th. We Christians do the same. The
Son of God
rose from the dead on "Sunday" to begin the new covenant and shelve
the old
covenant as old and worn out.
The fact that your against the chosen people of Israel is evident in
your view of things, in my opinion. Elohim made it clear what day was
the Sabbath.
Exo 20:10 but the seventh day is a Sabbath1 of יהוה your Elohim.
The seventh day is the Sabbath. Even on the modern pagan calendar,
this 7th day is preserved as Saturn day. The fact that your now
disputing when the Messiah rose out of his grave is a result of your
failure. The "Lord's Day" of Sunday, as per Christians man made
tradition, is not scriptural or even true. You don't understand this
fact because you keep Pagan Easter instead of his Passover.
Exo 16:4 And יהוה said to Mosheh, “See, I am raining bread from the
heavens for you. And the people shall go out and gather a day’s
portion every day, in order to try them, whether they walk in My Torah
or not.
Exo 16:5 “And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare
what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather
daily.”
The Sabbath predates the covenant of Moses as you already know and
ignore.
Gen 2:3 And Elohim blessed the seventh day and set it apart, because
on it He rested from all His work which Elohim in creating had made.
It goes back to the very creation account of the world and by keeping
this true Sabbath, we acknowledge the creator.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Elohim,
and the Word was Elohim.
Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with Elohim.
Joh 1:3 All came to be through Him, and without Him not even one came
to be that came to be.
You will continue to ignore his Sabbath, created from the foundations
of the world because you have a hardened heart that only wishes to
maintain your man made tradition and in it you have identified
yourself to not believe in Elohim and the word of his creation and by
extension, the Messiah who was the word. I know that the book of
Hebrews is an uninspired LIE and has no place in scripture but even
that LIE acknowledges the Sabbath.
Heb 4:9 So there remains a Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
You choose to ignore the fact that every author of scripture kept the
Sabbath, I've shown you a hundred times now and so I know you will not
change but the lie of SUN day worship will not prevail.
Eze 20:20 ‘And set apart My Sabbaths, and they shall be a sign between
Me and you, to know that I am יהוה your Elohim.’
You choose to ignore his Sabbath to your own peril and make up reasons
that aren't written in scripture like, "The Son of God rose from the
dead on Sunday".
Mat 28:1 In the end(G3796) of the sabbath,G4521 as it began to
dawnG2020 towardG1519 the firstG3391 day of the week,G4521
Going back to the root of what is written, we find the alteration that
has been made. This is one of Eight times this happens after the
resurrection.
We notice that the same word is translated differently and the word
SABBATH is changed to read "day of the week".
We find the evil of the false church has removed the word and changed
it and placed a curse on all following generations... this is your
inspired bible but it should read:
In the end of the Sabbath, as it began to dawn toward one Sabbath.
The High Sabbath being Passover and then the Feast of Unleavened Bread
followed by the weekly Sabbath.
Any verse that SUNday worshippers use to attempt to justify the false
belief that the Sabbath was abolished has been expunged of the word in
every edition of the bible. To be clear, all version removed the
words from post resurrection scriptures used to justify a false
practice.
(Mar 16:2) (Mar 16:9) (Luk 18:12) (Luk 24:1)
(Joh 20:1) (Joh 20:19) (Act 20:7) (1Co 16:2)
Each of these verses that have the word Sabbath removed have been used
to justify false worship by the modern church and I challenge any
SUNday worshipper to explain this and the keeping of mans tradition
instead of the sign of the true believers that keep the commandments.
Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain.’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Every time I speak with you I give you all the references to the
scripture.
Mat 15:7 “Hypocrites! Yeshayahu rightly prophesied about you, saying,
Mat 15:8 ‘This people draw near to Me with their mouth, and respect Me
with their lips, but their heart is far from Me.
Mat 15:9 ‘But in vain do they worship Me, teaching as teachings the
commands of men.’ ”
They tear all the scriptures apart and ignore the Ten Commandments
that will save your life if you guard them in your heart.
Eze 20:12 “And I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign1 between
them and Me, to know that I am יהוה who sets them apart. Footnote:
1See Ex. 31:13-17.
It’s a hard pill to swallow but the fact is that every church not
keeping the Sabbath is submitting to the authority of man and not
Elohim. They are keeping the commandments of men and they will fight
bitterly to retain the false knowledge that the post messianic church
should observe a SUNday Sabbath as they have since men like
Constantine and many others bastardized the church with pagan
practices like Christmas and Easter.
Rev 14:12 Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those
guarding the commands of Elohim and the belief of יהושע.
Scriptures are clear in that we are to guard the Commandments and keep
our belief in the Messiah. If we hold a belief in the Good News of
יהושע Messiah, we practice what he taught us and his words take
ultimate authority in our lives.
Mat 5:48 “Therefore, be perfect, as your Father in the heavens is
perfect.
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Sun worship further influenced the 1611 translation of scriptures in
this way:
1Jn 5:12 Hee that hath the Sonne, hath life; and hee that hath not
the Sonne, hath not life.
If you examine the word Sonne, later translated Son but pronounced Sun
we find this:
Sonne (German for Sun)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonne
"Energy from the Sun, in the form of sunlight and heat, supports
almost all life on Earth via photosynthesis, and drives the Earth's
climate and weather."
Jer 10:2 Thus said יהוה, “Do not learn the way of the gentiles,1 and
do not be awed by the signs of the heavens, for the gentiles are awed
by them.2 Footnotes: 1Lev. 18:3, Dt. 12:30 & 18:9, Ezek. 11:12 &
20:32, Eph. 4:17, 1 Peter 4:3. 2Dt. 4:19 & 17:3.
So many things are rooted in paganism in our speech, it's second
nature.
Shalom,
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Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
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Isa 45:19 “I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth.
I have not said to the seed of Yaʽaqoḇ, ‘Seek Me in vain..’ I am יהוה,
speaking righteousness, declaring matters that are straight.
Isa 45:20 “Gather yourselves and come; draw near together, you who
have escaped from the gentiles. No knowledge have they who are lifting
up the wood of their carved image, and pray to a mighty one that does
not save.
Isa 45:21 “Declare and bring near, let them even take counsel
together. Who has announced this from of old? Who has declared it from
that time? Is it not I, יהוה? And there is no mighty one besides Me, a
righteous Ěl and a Saviour, there is none besides Me.
Isa 45:22 “Turn to Me and be saved, all you ends of the earth! For I
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We find actual proof that in fact Paul was not saved and that the
translators added words into the text that were not written.
Act 20:26 “Therefore I witness to you this day that I am clear from
the blood of all.
Paul made this bold statement and the word, "Men" is added at the end
into the KJV. One of the beauties of the computerized versions of the
KJV is that the "added words" that are not in the text, are in grey.
If we take out the added words, we find what was really said.
Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, יהושע took bread, and having
blessed, broke and gave it to the taught ones and said, “Take, eat,
this is My body.”
Mat 26:27 And taking the cup, and giving thanks, He gave it to them,
saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
Mat 26:28 “For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which
is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Many words are entered into the scriptures of the New Testament that
are not in the original text and when we start to remove the added
words, a new picture become very obvious. I challenge any of you to
remove the added words and show what you find.
A more startling admission in the book of Acts:
Act 16:40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into Lydia:
and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and
departed.
The words "the house of" are added words. Now Lydia is an interesting
person of whom we read:
Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the
city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard: whose heart the Lord
opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.
And Thyatira is interesting because:
Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because
thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess,
to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat
things sacrificed unto idols.
We read that Jezebel was in Thyatira.
Going further into removing added words..
Act 17:31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge
the world in righteousness by man whom he hath ordained; he hath given
assurance unto men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
Shalom,
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(¸.•´ (¸.• (Snow(.¸.•*´¨)
Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at
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guardian Snow
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:32 am Post subject: Re: Proof Paul was not saved, Acts 20:26 |
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On Aug 7, 9:42 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
| Quote: | We find actual proof that in fact Paul was not saved and that the
translators added words into the text that were not written.
Act 20:26 Therefore I witness to you this day that I am clear from
the blood of all.
Paul made this bold statement and the word, "Men" is added at the end
into the KJV. One of the beauties of the computerized versions of the
KJV is that the "added words" that are not in the text, are in grey.
If we take out the added words, we find what was really said.
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Paul has a very interesting history:
Act 9:11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street
which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one
called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,
The House of Judas.
Act 5:34 Then stood there up one in the council, a Pharisee, named
Gamaliel, a doctor of the law, had in reputation among all the people,
and commanded to put the apostles forth a little space;
Act 5:37 After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the
taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and
all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.
Act 22:3 I am verily a man which am a Jew, born in Tarsus, a city in
Cilicia, yet brought up in this city at the feet of Gamaliel, and
taught according to the perfect manner of the law of the fathers, and
was zealous toward God, as ye all are this day.
Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole
church, (to send chosen men of their own company) to Antioch WITH Paul
and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men
among the brethren:
Paul and Barnabas were not chosen men of Jerusalem's church. Thats
why he performed the circumcision the next day.
Act 16:3 Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and
circumcised him
Why?
because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all
that his father was a Greek.
Gal 5:2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised,
Christ shall profit you nothing.
Shalom,
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Beliefs have the power to create and the power to destroy. Human
beings have the awesome ability to take any experience of their lives
and create a meaning that disempowers them or one that can literally
save their lives.
Tony Robbins
Portions of this post have been reprinted from (Scriptures +1998)
version which you can download for free at
http://www.isr-messianic.org/
Please come post your comments at
http://groups.google.com/group/messianicYehoshua
A moderated forum.
http://www.ucg.org/index.htm
A Worldwide Sabbath practicing Church.
Rev 2:2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how
thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them
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