Raymond
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 Posted: Sat Aug 16, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: Re: The Fundamentalists gospel says " Christ died for everyo |
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On Aug 15, 5:47 pm, old man joe <n...@home.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Apparently, they preach a gospel different than the gospel of the
Bible... if Christ paid the penalty for the sins of all as the
Fundamentalists say, He also paid for the sin of unbelief... no one
then is an unbeliever.
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Excuse me since when has unbelief become a sin? Like saying a wheel
is a car, or a dish is food etc. Unbelief that one has unbelief would
mean what, they are telling the truth and lie not, so no sin? I like
the verse that says "he also paid for the sin of unbelief" I wait your
scripture.
| Quote: | He didn't pay for the unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy
Spirit... so the atonement is limited... redemption is particular.
here again they say its a " Universal Atonement " but the Bible says
to the contrary.
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Since blasphemy is an opinion where is it sin? If something is
unforgivable then it is just that, so it could not be covered in the
all sin, since it something by name that can not be seen as
forgivable. The Sins Jesus died for and is in the atonement is
limited to the fact 1 John 1:7 points out one must walk in the light
as Jesus did, so if one does not, he can not get the "all sin"
removed, as he did not meet the criteria to receive it.
| Quote: | faking tongues as they do is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
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No tongues at all would be faking it also, by saying one has the Holy
Spirit that does not have the gift, so in that idea those that do not
have real tongues are blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
| Quote: | their fake healings is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. their
dreams, visions, false prophecy's, falling over backwards and the like
are all blasphemies against the Holy Spirit.
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Same again if something is fake it is just that, I do not see such as
blasphemy, since man can not heal, they just pray and ask God to
heal. If some is not healed it is not them it is up to God, as well
as the person that does pray and God does heal, it does not make that
person a Healer. Same with dreams and visions etc, some in the OT did
not come to pass for hundreds of years, and so people alive when the
dream or vision or prophecy was given would see those folks as false
and blasphemy, some did, but now we see they were not, as we in their
future see what they said was true and a blessing, no way blasphemy.
I would see your remarks as you posted them like they were what people
do would make you such a one with blasphemy on your own tongue by
calling what God has done in others as blasphemy when your the one
doing just that. To refuse a gift of God could be seen as sin, and it
seems you do it often in the Pentecostal newsgroup.
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in fact, Jesus Himself defines what blasphemy against the Holy
Spirit constitutes :
"He who is not with Me is against Me; and he who does not gather with
Me scatters. " Mt.12:30
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I notice that not a word was said about blasphemy in that verse, it
seems you see into verses what is not there, so to support a false
teaching which would make your words sinful.
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not for a moment is the social gospel of man doing something for
God, such as, " making a decision for Christ " or some " sinners
prayer " they offer continually, anything but being against Christ.
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There is no such thing as the social gospel! Man can do things for
man why not for God or the Church or his wife or husband, children do
all kinds of things for each other, nothing wrong with that. Do unto
others as you would have them do to you, would fit here nicely, if you
do not do, then they do not do, and both are unhappy. I make a
decision to eat or go to the show, or stay home, or to be with some
friend, are you saying anyone that makes a decision is evil or wrong.
I made my decision to serve the Lord Jesus, as well as answer this
stupid post of yours, I suppose one can see that was foolish as you
really made your own decision not to hear or care.
| Quote: | man is not saved by the will of man. Jn. 1:12,13 yet, this is the
gospel they offer... so man can get the glory for the doing.
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Excuse me, was not Jesus a man and was it not the will of Jesus that
people be saved? Know you say no one can be saved because it was the
will of a man? I know of no one that offers such a gospel except
maybe the devil then he does not count. We can be blessed that is for
sure, if you see that as get the glory then go for it, obey God and
get the glory, love it.
Matt 10:32-33
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess
also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before
my Father which is in heaven. KJV
Luke 14:10
10 But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place, so
that when he who invited you comes he may say to you, 'Friend, go up
higher.' Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at
the table with you. NKJV
Rom 2:6-11
6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds": 7 eternal
life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory,
honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not
obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness — indignation and wrath, 9
tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the
Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to
everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the
Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God. NKJV
A friend of Jesus.
Luke 14:10
10 But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place, so
that when he who invited you comes he may say to you, 'Friend, go up
higher.' Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at
the table with you. NKJV
Rom 2:6-11
6 who "will render to each one according to his deeds": 7 eternal
life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory,
honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not
obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness — indignation and wrath, 9
tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the
Jew first and also of the Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to
everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the
Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God. NKJV
John 15:14-17
14 You are My friends if you do whatever I command you. 15 No longer
do I call you servants, for a servant does not know what his master is
doing; but I have called you friends, for all things that I heard from
My Father I have made known to you. 16 You did not choose Me, but I
chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit, and
that your fruit should remain, that whatever you ask the Father in My
name He may give you. 17 These things I command you, that you love
one another. NKJV
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