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Donna,

Remind me... what am I supposed to be recanting?? I've told you a thousand
times that;

Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now
commandeth all men every where to repent:

Its time to repent Donna!!!

Study Daniel 8:14 and the 2300 day prophecy and you *may* understand
vegetarianism for our time. Sure, the Millerites were bitterly disapointed
without the return of Christ but this was also prophesied;

Rev 10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and
said, Go [and] take the little book (DANIEL) which is open in the hand of
the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little
book (THE BOOK OF DANIEL). And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up;
and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as
honey.
10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up;
and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my
belly was bitter.
10:11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples,
and nations, and tongues, and kings. (THIRD ANGELS MESSAGE TO BE
PROCLAIMED).

At first, the 2300 day prophecy was sweet to the taste of the 50,000
protestants that left the churches to proclaim Jesus was returning, but like
the disciples, they were DISAPOINTED. Nevertheless, something did happen
then. If you don't believe in the Sanctuary message then you will NEVER
understand vegetarianism for our time and trying to explain it to you is a
WASTE of time.

In the time of Christ it was NOT a sin to eat meat!!! God put his blessing
on flesh eating after Noahs ark as there was NO vegetation but then was
leading the children of Israel BACK to a vegetarian diet. They ate manna in
the wilderness for 40 years didn't they??? But they rejected Gods ways and
went the way of the heathen and missed out on the promised land.

Numbers 11:34 And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah:
because there they buried the people that lusted.

1 Corinthians 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for
they were overthrown in the wilderness.
10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not
lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

We are living in the judgement hour since 1844, the anti-typical day of
atonement and we only eat that which is necessary for strength and not
unnecessary. Meat is an unnecessary indulgence. It wasn't a sin for Christ
or his disciples to eat meat... but NOW it is. The 144,000 are being sealed
and they stand before the throne without guile. The 144,000 are a special
people. You too can be in this number if you want.

Vegetarian

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1858 when Pork was not a test

What kind of people were Adventists in 1858? What light did they have in
regard to the diet question? Many will think, they can eat clean meats;

“Those who labor with their hands must nourish their strength to perform his
labor, and those also who labor in word and doctrine must nourish their
strength; for Satan and his evil angels are warring against them to tear
down their strength. They should seek rest of body and mind from wearing
labor when they can, and should eat of nourishing, strengthening food to
build up their strength; for they will be obliged to exercise all the
strength they have. I saw that it does not glorify God in the least for any
of His people to make a time of trouble for themselves. There is a time of
trouble just before God's people, and He will prepare them for that fearful
conflict.” {1T 206.2}

They should eat good nourishing food to build up their strength. There is a
time of trouble coming, we should make a time of trouble prematurely. Now
what type of good nourishing food did Sr White say we should have;

“I saw that your views concerning swine's flesh would prove no injury if you
have them to yourselves; but in your judgment and opinion you have made this
question a test, and your actions have plainly shown your faith in this
matter. If God requires His people to abstain from swine's flesh, He will
convict them on the matter. He is just as willing to show His honest
children their duty, as to show their duty to individuals upon whom He has
not laid the burden of His work. If it is the duty of the church to abstain
from swine's flesh, God will discover it to more than two or three. He will
teach His church their duty.” {1T 206.3}

What happens there? In 1858 we must have nourishing food, and one of those
good nourishing foods is PORK! That’s right, and in your judgement you have
made pork eating a test. To be a good SDA in 1858, you kept the Sabbath and
you also ate pork. It was good nourishing food.

So, when individuals were making the issue of pork a test, it was premature.
Was there anything wrong with their doctrine? No.

In the foot note James White wrote;

[THIS REMARKABLE TESTIMONY WAS WRITTEN OCTOBER 21, 1858, NEARLY FIVE YEARS
BEFORE THE GREAT VISION OF 1863, IN WHICH THE LIGHT UPON HEALTH REFORM WAS
GIVEN. WHEN THE RIGHT TIME CAME, THE SUBJECT WAS GIVEN IN A MANNER TO MOVE
ALL OUR PEOPLE. HOW WONDERFUL ARE THE WISDOM AND GOODNESS OF GOD! IT MIGHT
BE AS WRONG TO CROWD THE MILK, SALT, AND SUGAR QUESTION NOW, AS THE PORK
QUESTION IN 1858.-- J.W., NOTE TO SECOND EDITION.] FOOTNOTE. 1T 206.

When would that time come? When would the time come to give up pork? We
know biblically speaking, God would never permit his people to eat pork, but
they were blinded.

1844 Egyptian blindness

They were coming out of Egyptian blindness. They left Egypt in 1844 and God
was educating his people. When would be the time when God would say pork
was not for his people?

“God is leading out a people, not a few separate individuals here and there,
one believing this thing, another that. Angels of God are doing the work
committed to their trust. The third angel is leading out and purifying a
people, and they should move with him unitedly. Some run ahead of the angels
that are leading this people; but they have to retrace every step, and
meekly follow no faster than the angels lead. I saw that the angels of God
would lead His people no faster than they could receive and act upon the
important truths that are communicated to them.” {1T 207.1}

God is going to reveal himself to his people as fast as they are able to
bear it.

“But some restless spirits do not more than half do up their work. As the
angel leads them, they get in haste for something new, and rush on without
divine guidance, and thus bring confusion and discord into the ranks. They
do not speak or act in harmony with the body. I saw that you both must
speedily be brought where you are willing to be led, instead of desiring to
lead, or Satan will step in and lead you in his way, to follow his counsel.
Some look at your set notions, and consider them an evidence of humility.
They are deceived. You both are making work for repentance.” {1T 207.1}

Can you believe it? These people were making work for repentance and they
were telling people not to eat pork. That was a bible doctrine, but what
was wrong? The wrong was the timing, it was premature.

It was only as Gods people were able to bear that light that it became an
issue.

This paragraph gives the important reason when pork was to be made a testing
issue.

Sacred things would not be discerned from eating pork.

“God has given you light and knowledge, which you have professed to believe
came direct from Him, instructing you to deny appetite. You know that the
use of swine's flesh is contrary to His express command, given not because
He wished to especially show His authority, but because it would be
injurious to those who should eat it. Its use would cause the blood to
become impure, so that scrofula and other humors would corrupt the system,
and the whole organism would suffer. Especially would the fine, sensitive
nerves of the brain become enfeebled and so beclouded that sacred things
would not be discerned, but be placed upon the low level with common things.
Light showing that disease is caused by using this gross article of food has
come just as soon as God's people could bear it. Have you heeded the light?”
{2T 96.2}

When did the light come? Only when Gods people were able to bear it. When
they were unable to bear it, it was premature and they were told to repent
of that message.

1905 When pork became a test

“The tissues of the swine swarm with parasites. Of the swine God said, "It
is unclean unto you: ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead
carcass." Deuteronomy 14:8. This command was given because swine's flesh is
unfit for food. Swine are scavengers, and this is the only use they were
intended to serve. Never, under any circumstances, was their flesh to be
eaten by human beings. It is impossible for the flesh of any living creature
to be wholesome when filth is its natural element and when it feeds upon
every detestable thing.” {MH 313.3}

We have learned some very important lessons in regards to the use of Swines
flesh although we are clearly taught we are not to make this point a test
back in 1858, there must come a time when it is a test. That time came when
the people of God were able to bear the light. God gave the light for their
own benefit, not to punish them. He revealed it to his church.

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Harold Kupp writes:

I was doing some research on Mrs. White and swine’s flesh and
found a fascinating article written by the Whites and published in
their Present Truth periodical. What is interesting is that it appears
that when the pioneer Adventist’s based their beliefs on the Bible
alone, they came up with some “Present Truth” that directly
contradicts the present truth about swine’s flesh shown to Mrs.
White by her spirit guide. Following are some excerpts on the
subject of swine’s flesh and Peter’s vision.

THE PRESENT TRUTH. VOL. I. - PARIS, ME.,. NOVEMBER,
1850. - NO. 11

SWINES FLESH
..
"Some of our good brethren are troubled in regard to eating swine's
flesh, and a very few abstain from it, thinking that the Bible
forbids
its use. We do not object to abstinence from the use of swine's
flesh,
if it is done on the right grounds. We think that too free and
abundant
use of it, and other animal food, of which many, and even some of our
brethren in the present truth are not guiltless, is a sin; for it
clogs
and stupefies the mind, and in many cases impairs the constitution;
but
we do not, by any means, believe that the Bible teaches that its
proper
use, in the gospel dispensation, is sinful. But we do object to a
misapplication of the holy scriptures in sustaining a position which
will only distract the flock of God, and lead the minds of the
brethren
from the importance of the present work of God among the
remnant. Error, however small it may appear, darkens and fetters
the soul, and if persisted in will lead to gross darkness, and great
errors, and sooner or later its fatal results will appear."

[WHAT? “…but we do not, by any means, believe that the Bible
teaches that its [swine flesh] proper use, in the gospel dispensation,
is sinful. Did I read that right?] read on…

"The principal texts that are quoted to prove that the Gentile church
is
forbidden to eat swine's flesh are Isa.lxv,4; lxvi,17. Now we do
really
think that these texts fall far short of affording sufficient proof
on
this point. In fact, we must believe they have no direct bearing on
this
time. The burning of "incense upon altars of brick," remaining "among
the graves," lodging "in the monuments," and sacrificing "in gardens"
are rebuked in connection with eating "swine's flesh." Now, if one
applies literally to our day, then, certainly all do; but we think
that
no one will undertake a literal application of the whole of Isa.lxv,
4;
lxvi,17, to this time. This is one reason why we think that these
texts
have no literal bearing on this time…."

[WELL – There goes the “eating swine's flesh and mouse” verse –
right out the window- according to the original present truth that
text has no bearing on this time…]

"…But as we may not all see just alike as to what the Prophet
teaches on this subject, let us come to the New Testament. And
what do we find? Certainly, if eating swine's flesh is a sin in the
sight of Heaven, in this dispensation, the New Testament has in
some way taught us the fact. But we find that the New Testament
does not, directly nor indirectly, teach any such thing."

[WOW! swine's flesh not a sin according to the New Testament.]

"… But the New Testament so far from teaching that the use of
swine's flesh is wrong, that it affords good testimony that it is not
forbidden. First, take the case of the Apostle Peter, when God was
about to send him to preach to the Gentiles. His Jewish views and
feelings in relation to common and unclean beasts that did not part
the hoof and chew the cud, see Lev.xi, must first be removed
before he could see that God was no respecter of persons, and that
there was salvation for the Gentiles. "About the sixth hour,"
(noon,) "Peter went upon the housetop to pray." "He became very
hungry, and would have eaten;" and in this state "fell into a trance."
The opening heavens discovered to him "a certain vessel"
descending, in which "were ALL MANNER of four-footed beast."
&c. Certainly, swine were there. The sudden appearance of these
beasts no doubt aroused Peter's Jewish feelings and prejudices for
he considered many of them "UNCLEAN." At this point "there
came a voice to him, Rise, Peter, kill and eat." But Peter said, "Not
so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or
UNCLEAN." This vision, and the connected circumstances, rid the
Apostle of his exclusive feelings, and opened the way for him to
preach to, and eat with the Gentiles."

[HOLY SOW! – Peter’s vision teaches just what everybody
(except the *new* present truth Adventists) thought it meant. That
the unclean meat laws did not apply to Christianity.]

"Now look at some of the trials of the apostolic church, on the
subject of eating with the Gentiles, and some other points of the
law of Moses, and the final decision of the conference of apostles
and elders assembled at Jerusalem. See Acts,chap.xv. Judaizing
teachers taught the churches that they, in order to be saved must
keep the law of Moses. This at once caused divisions among them,
and called forth the following from the Apostle Paul. "Let not him
that eateth, despise him that eateth not; and let not him which
eateth not, JUDGE him that eateth." See Rom.xiv,1-6. "Let no man
therefore JUDGE you in meat, &c." See Col.ii,14-17. The Gentile
converts used swine's flesh, and other meats which were
"abomination" to the Jews, while the converts from the Jewish
church were inclined to still follow the law of Moses in these
things, and were JUDGING the Gentile converts, and binding on
them burdens which the gospel did not require…Some of our good
brethren have added "swine's flesh" to the catalogue of things
forbidden by the Holy Ghost, and the apostles and elders
assembled at Jerusalem. But we feel called upon to protest against
such a course, as being contrary to the plain teaching of the holy
scriptures. Shall we lay a greater "burden" on the disciples than
seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and the holy apostles of our Lord
Jesus Christ? God forbid. Their decision, being right, settled the
question with them, and was a cause of rejoicing among the
churches, and it should forever settle the question with us."

[WOW AGAIN- “…contrary to the plain teaching of the holy
scriptures…should forever settle the question with us.”
The irony is overwhelming – when the early Adventists stuck with the
Bible they were certain that eating flesh meat – even swine's flesh
was
not a sin. And then what happened – the original “present truth” was
replaced by a *new* present truth revealed to Mrs. White by her
spirit
guide in 1863.

The *new* present truth forbids all flesh meat and it revealed that
God
wanted mankind to return to a vegetarian diet, contrary to Jesus’
example in word and deed. One can only wonder why Jesus did not tell
us
God’s will when he was here on earth? Instead – Jesus ate flesh and
offered flesh food to others and then more than1800 years later
supposedly told Mrs. White “Not an ounce of flesh-meat should enter
our
stomachs. The eating of flesh is unnatural. We are to return to God's
original purpose in the creation of man." {TSDF 78.3}

Harold Kupp

The entire article is found at:
http://www.presentdaytruth.com/books/present-truth/present-truth-vol1-no11.php

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Numbers 11:34 And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah:
because there they buried the people that lusted (AFTER FLESH FOODS).

1 Corinthians 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for
they were overthrown in the wilderness.
10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not
lust after evil things (FLESH FOODS), as they also lusted (FLESH FOODS).

Happy now Donna???

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none of us are saved yet. we're still on earth and we're not in heaven YET.
he that endures to the end, the same shall be saved.

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Numbers 11:34 And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah:
because there they buried the people that lusted AFTER FLESH FOODS.

1 Corinthians 10:5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for
they were overthrown in the wilderness.
10:6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not
lust after evil things, as they also lusted AFTER FLESH FOODS.

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The Trinity are three separate beings who are so close to one another and
share such an intimate interwoven love relationship that even when they are
apart, they are the perfect manifestation of one another. Christ during his
time on this earth was the perfect representation of God the Father and the
Holy Spirit. So too must we understand that when we enter into a
relationship with Christ, we become partakers in this great love
relationship that the Trinity shares. The scriptures reveal that one day
those who become one with Christ will share in His inheritance and become
joint heirs with Him. If we are to be joint heirs with Christ, and to be
bestowed with the gifts that the Father has bestowed on Him, we will be
brothers and sisters with Christ and sons and daughters of God. In our
budding understanding of the great love and unity of the Trinity, let us
further comprehend that we too may be partakers in this wonderful, intimate
relationship that the trinity share and have extended to the human family.

Revelaton 14:6-7. And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven,
having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth,
and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud
voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is
come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the
fountains of waters.

The Scripture says that we are to worship God. But who is God and what is
the truth about Him?

John 4:22-24 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for
salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true
worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father
seeketh such to worship him. God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him
must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. God is a spirit, a person with a
personality, and the scripture says that TRUE WORSHIPPERS will WORSHIP Him
in SPIRIT and in TRUTH.

John 17:3. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only
true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. This is life eternal – to
know God. To worship God in spirit and in truth is part of salvation.

Jeremiah 9:23,24. Thus saith the LORD, Let not the wise [man] glory in his
wisdom, neither let the mighty [man] glory in his might, let not the rich
[man] glory in his riches: But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he
understandeth and knoweth me, that I [am] the LORD which exercise loving
kindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these [things] I
delight, saith the LORD.

For God to delight in us, we need to glorify Him from the position that we
know and understand Him. It is our task then to humbly seek and know Him so
we can fear Him and give Him the glory.

Job 11:7-8. Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the
Almighty unto perfection? [It is] as high as heaven; what canst thou do?
deeper than hell; what canst thou know?

While the stipulation is laid out before us that we are to know God, for
this is life eternal, we are to worship Him in spirit and in truth and we
are to glorify Him in the sense that we know and understand Him. Is this
really possible?
In the previous study it was revealed that God has a means of communicating
Himself to us so that we might come to know and understand Him. In Zech
4:1-4 we recalled that the two cherubim (olive trees) standing in the
presence of God communicated the oil (the Holy Spirit), through the golden
pipes to lighten up the candlesticks (the seven churches). If we understand
this principle correctly, the Old and New Testament are the knowledge of God
recorded by human agents. (See also Rev 11:3-4)

1Cor 2:4-5. And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of
man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your
faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

It is not what man has searched out that we are about to understand, but
what is under the demonstration of the Spirit and of power, not the wisdom
of men, but in the power of God.

1 Cor 2:9-13. But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard,
neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath
prepared for them that love him. But God hath revealed [them] unto us by
his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of
God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which
is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is
of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth,
but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with
spiritual.

God communicates the inward thoughts and feelings and the deep things about
Himself through the Holy Spirit. This so that we may come to know and
understand him, not according to man’s wisdom, but by what the Holy Ghost
teaches.

Is the trinity, the Three Persons of the Godhead, a deep thing of God that
needs to be revealed by the Holy Spirit?

Deuteronmoy 6:4 . Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD:

The Lord our God is one Lord.

Isaiah 44:6. Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the
LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there
is] no God.
There is only one God.

Isaiah Ch 45:5. I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no
God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

Again it is repeated - there is only one God.

Genesis 1:1-3. In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And
the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of
the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God
said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Here is the one who created the heaven and the earth: The Spirit of God
moved upon the waters; while God (in heaven) spoke light into being.

Genesis 26,27. And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the
fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every
creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his
[own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he
them.

God says “let US”, plural, make man in “OUR”, plural, image after “OUR”,
plural, likeness. God made man in His own image.

1st John 5:7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father,
the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

To clarify that God is One and yet three separate persons we further read….

John 1:1-3. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and
the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were
made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

“The Word was with God and the Word was God”. – They are two separate
entities and yet one was the other. Creation took place because the Word
that was spoken was with God and was God.

Job 33:4. The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty
hath given me life.

This text explains that it was the Spirit of God that made man and the
breath of the Almighty gave him life. The Spirit of God moved upon the
waters, God spoke, and the Spirit of God moved. Creation therefore was the
activity of three individuals recorded to us as “these Three are One”.

The Tower of Babel

Gen 11:5-7. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the
children of men builded. And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one,
and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing
will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Go to, let us
go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one
another's speech.

“Let US (plural), go down and there confound their language”.

The Destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah

Genesis 18:16. And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom:
and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
Abraham was visited by two angels and the Lord to discuss the destruction of
Sodom and Gomorrah and a few other things.

Genesis 18:17. And the men rose up from thence, and looked toward Sodom:
and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way. And the LORD said,
Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;

(The Lord is speaking to the two angels here)

Genesis 18:20-22. And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah
is great, and because their sin is very grievous; I will go down now, and
see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is
come unto me; and if not, I will know. And the men turned their faces from
thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the LORD.

Two of the men (The two angels that rescued Lot from Gomorrah) went on their
way, but the Lord remained with Abraham for a little longer.

Gen 18: 33. And the LORD went his way, as soon as he had left communing
with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.

The story then continues about how the two angels visited Lot in the city of
Sodom and told him about the destruction that was going to take place.

Gen: 19:24. Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and
fire from the LORD out of heaven;

The Lord who was one with God, was again in this representation, a plural
entity. There was the Lord out of heaven, and there was the Lord on earth.
And the Lord on earth rained fire from the Lord out of heaven.

Isaiah 48:12-13. Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I [am] he;
I [am] the first, I also [am] the last. Mine hand also hath laid the
foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: [when]
I call unto them, they stand up together.

In Genesis we read that in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with
God, and all things were made by Him
Who is speaking here in Isaiah “My hand hath laid the foundations of the
earth”? - It is the Word.

Isaiah 48:16. Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in
secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there [am] I: and now
the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

The Word was sent by the Lord God, and His Spirit, the other two persons of
the Godhead who created the world.
In placing together the meanings from the different scriptures it becomes
abundantly clear that we worship one God, one Lord, meaning Three Persons.
They are three separate individuals that can be separated in place, one or
more may dwell in heaven while the other is on earth. And there is so much
unity between these three Persons that they can move and speak as though
they were one. In Summary the plurality and singularity of God may be
explored in these scriptures
Isaiah 44:6 I am the first and I am the last, beside me there is no God
(Singular)
Isaiah 48:12 I am he; I am the first, I also am the last (Singular)
1John 5:7 There are three that bear record in heaven (Plural)
Gen 1:1-3 Story of creation “let US make man” (Plural)
Gen11:5-7 Let US come down and confuse the language of the people in Babel”
(Plural)

To know God is eternal life. So how does the knowledge of the Trinity, the
three Persons of the Godhead, become so relevant and essential to our
salvation?

John 16:27,28. For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me,
and have believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father,
and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

The Father loved the disciples because they believed that Jesus (the Word)
came out from God to this earth.
They believed that although there was one God, that this one God was three
Persons, and that one of them was sent from the Father into the world.

The disciples believed Jesus when He told them “I leave the world and go to
the Father”. In Jeremiah we read that God delights in the fact that we know
and understand Him. The fact that the disciples knew and understood that
Jesus was God, pleased the Father so much that He loved them.

To know God and receive His blessing, we too must understand and believe
that Jesus was God, and one of the Three Persons of the Godhead. For this
is eternal life – to know God.

John 14:16-20,23. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another
Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

When Jesus departed, He promised to send us another comforter, the Holy
Spirit, who would teach us to worship God in spirit and in truth.

John 14:17. [Even] the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive,
because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he
dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

It was impossible for the disciples to search out God from their own
understanding, but Jesus promised they would know God because He would dwell
with them and be in them.

John 14:18. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Jesus will come to us through this comforter, the Holy Spirit. He goes back
to His Father, yet through the Comforter He promises that He will come to
us.

John 14:19-20. Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye
see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
At that day ye shall know that I [am] in my Father, and ye in me, and I in
you.

This is the Atonement – Christ’s AT--ONE--MENT with us. A very essential
element to our salvation. Through the Holy Spirit, who reveals the deep
things of God to us, we come to know that Jesus dwells with us in the
“plurality” of the Godhead. When Jesus ascended back to heaven, He sent the
Holy Spirit down to us as another Comforter. The Holy Spirit IS the
representation of the Father and the Son here on earth for wherever one is,
there are the other two perfectly represented.

John 14:23. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will
keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and
make our abode with him.

God being AT-ONE with us is revealed in these words “We will come unto him”
and in verse 20 “I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you”. That Jesus
partook with us of our human nature makes us human beings in Jesus. Jesus
Christ is with the Father, therefore we also are with the Father, and we are
in the Father through Jesus Christ, and Jesus is in us, and the Holy Spirit
dwells in us, so we may become a saved entity.
Here is the knowledge of the Trinity for our salvation.

John 17:20-21. Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which
shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou,
Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that
the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Here is the expression of singularity in plurality. They are one even though
they are three that we may be one with God even though we are many. We may
be one of the Trinity.

John17:23-26. I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in
one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved
them, as thou hast loved me.
Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I
am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou
lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee,
and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them
thy name, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me
may be in them, and I in them.

The knowledge of the Trinity is important to our salvation. The First Angel’s
Message declares: “Fear God and give him the glory.” In Jeremiah 9:23-24
we read that to Fear God and give him the glory is to know and understand
Him.

Let the world know by our unity in Jesus that through the indwelling of the
Holy Spirit we know and understand that three can be one just as many can be
one. It is the manifestation of this oneness in plurality that is one of
the deep things that God has chosen to reveal about Himself to us.

"arah" <arah1958@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:168a1577-d830-43de-957a-d5bf70cda75e@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
I have been searching in the bible for years about Trinity but
instead I found the bible said the God our Lord is One

Deuteronomy 4:32
[ There Is Only One God ] “Now search all of history, from the time
God created people on the earth until now, and search from one end of
the heavens to the other. Has anything as great as this ever been seen
or heard before?

Mark 12:32
The teacher of religious law replied, “Well said, Teacher. You have
spoken the truth by saying that there is only One God and no other.

Romans 3:30
There is only One God, and he makes people right with himself only by
faith, whether they are Jews or Gentiles.

1 Corinthians 8:4
So, what about eating meat that has been offered to idols? Well, we
all know that an idol is not really a god and that there is only One
God.

1 Corinthians 8:6
But we know that there is only One God, the Father, who created
everything, and e live for him.

Ephesians 4:6
and One God and Father, who is over all and in all and living through
all.

James 2:19
You say you have faith, for you believe that there is One God. Good
for you! Even the demons believe this, and they tremble in terror.

Galatians 3:20
A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is
one.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one.

Mark 12:29
"The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O
Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

What the bible said about Trinity- Nothing

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