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athair ambrois
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On Aug 18, 12:35 pm, "AGGreen" <AGGreen@not_the_imposter.edu> wrote:
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***Russia is still meddling in the internal affairs of Georgia.
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The United States meddles in everyone's affairs! Why, it even
meddled in *our* affairs in 1984 and tried to bring us to our knees
economically.
The US imposed sanctions on New Zealand because we adopted a nuclear
free policy and refused to allow any nuclear powered ships to come
into our ports and territorial waters.
For doing that we were punished by the US.
We did not crumple. We may be a small nation but we don't bow to
bullies.
The next year 1985 the dreadful French even had the temerity to bomb
and sink a ship in one of our harbours and killed a crew member -
vengeance because of our nuclear free policy and its impact on their
atomic weapon testing in our part of the world. |
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athair ambrois
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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On Aug 19, 1:36 am, "John Galt" <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/18/europe/EU-Poland-Missile-De...
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp081708a.shtml
Vlad didnt' count on the blowback.......
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So the United States is willing to take advantage of the Russian-
Georgian conflict to recklessly threaten Russia with missiles on its
very doorstep. Anbybody remember the American reaction to something
similar in Cuba!
What hypocrisy! What a lack of concern for global security!
Does that Doomsday Clock still exist? If so, it will be starting to
inch closer to midnight again. |
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athair ambrois
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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On Aug 19, 2:19 am, "John Galt" <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | OTOH, by using that analogy in an attempt to justify Russia's actions, I
note that you've agreed that Russia's actions were not for humanitarian
reasons. I'm quite glad we've reached concurrence on that point.
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Not at all. You are putting your own gloss on my words. |
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athair ambrois
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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On Aug 19, 2:50 am, "John Galt" <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Not at all. You are putting your own gloss on my words.
[JG] Then you're comparing apples to oranges by bringing up Cuba. Let's keep
our stories straight, here, shall we?
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To quote Rico Yungblud:
"Gee, I wonder how the US would respond to Russia sending advanced
anti-tank and anti-air weapons to Cuba or Venezuela?" |
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John Galt
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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"AGGreen" <AGGreen@not_the_imposter.edu> wrote in message
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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On Aug 17, 1:16 pm, "AGGreen" <AGG@not the imposter.edu> wrote:
***Why are you delighting in this Russian aggression, this incursion into
and interference with Georgian internal affairs?
You know what I delight in? For two nights, the 8th and 9th of
August, Georgia subjected South Ossetia's Capitol Tskhinvali to
horrendous bombardment from missile artillery. Georgia destroyed 70%
of the Capital and 10 surrounding villages.
I delight that Russia did not wring it hands and call for six months
of talking and waffling in the UN but it did what was needed to stop
further ethnic cleansing. It went in and stopped the Georgian
aggression in a couple of days.
***I give you that. If Obama were in charge, he's still be trying to
organize a town hall meeting to discuss the issue!!
I would be very delighted if the States learnt a good lession from
this - how to deal effectively with such situations. How NOT to go
cross the territorial boundaries of another nation and then sit there
for years and years while the bloodshed waxes and wanes.
***Gosh damn right. But, the politicians, mostly Democrats, want to run
the war from Washington. Screw that. Give the military full reign. Iraq
would have been freed entirely and rebuilt by now were it not for the
leftist politicians.
Bravo for the speedy and decisive way Russia handled the crisis!
***Russia is still meddling in the internal affairs of Georgia.
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/18/europe/EU-Poland-Missile-Defense.php
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp081708a.shtml
Vlad didnt' count on the blowback.......
JG
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John Galt
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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On Aug 19, 1:36 am, "John Galt" <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/18/europe/EU-Poland-Missile-De...
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp081708a.shtml
Vlad didnt' count on the blowback.......
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So the United States is willing to take advantage of the Russian-
Georgian conflict to recklessly threaten Russia with missiles on its
very doorstep. Anbybody remember the American reaction to something
similar in Cuba!
[JG] That would be one possible conclusion. The other possible conclusion is
that the ex-satellite and USSR countries know full well the hell that is
Russian occupation, and prefer to avoid it.
BTW, this is not Cuba. In the Cuban case you had a US border nation that had
voiced aggressive intent towards the US preparing to host nuclear weapons.
Did Georgia voice aggressive intent towards Russia? Was Georgia preparing to
host nuclear weapons? The answer is NO, and for the record, if Georgia HAD
shown aggression towards Russia and was preparing to host nukes, I would
have 100% understood a Russian preemption.
There is no serious similarity between the two, although I notice the
attempt by Russian sympathizers to claim that all missiles are missiles, and
ignore the fact that there is a rather significant difference between a
lightweight defensive missile battery and an offensive nuclear missile. That
will sway the stupid, I suppose, but no one else.
OTOH, by using that analogy in an attempt to justify Russia's actions, I
note that you've agreed that Russia's actions were not for humanitarian
reasons. I'm quite glad we've reached concurrence on that point.
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What hypocrisy! What a lack of concern for global security!
[JG] Precisely what I thought when Russia entered Georgia.
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Does that Doomsday Clock still exist? If so, it will be starting to
inch closer to midnight again.
[JG] No question. The debate is about whose fault that is. Vlad didn't count
on the blowback, and, an ex KGB guy should know that there's ALWAYS
blowback. No military action occurs without a reaction, and it appears that
Poland and Ukraine have independently determined what Russia's strategic
intent is (and it's the one you want to blame on American politicians.)
JG |
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John Galt
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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On Aug 19, 2:19 am, "John Galt" <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | OTOH, by using that analogy in an attempt to justify Russia's actions, I
note that you've agreed that Russia's actions were not for humanitarian
reasons. I'm quite glad we've reached concurrence on that point.
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Not at all. You are putting your own gloss on my words.
[JG] Then you're comparing apples to oranges by bringing up Cuba. Let's keep
our stories straight, here, shall we?
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John Galt
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 8:42 pm Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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On Aug 19, 2:50 am, "John Galt" <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
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Not at all. You are putting your own gloss on my words.
[JG] Then you're comparing apples to oranges by bringing up Cuba. Let's
keep
our stories straight, here, shall we?
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To quote Rico Yungblud:
"Gee, I wonder how the US would respond to Russia sending advanced
anti-tank and anti-air weapons to Cuba or Venezuela?"
[JG] Well...tell Rico I really don't care if Cuba has advanced anti-tank or
anti-air weapons or not...  I'm not planning a Cuban invasion, so they
can defend against it all they want.
As for Venezuela, they already bought all that stuff from Russia or China or
somebody. Again, I don't care.
ROTF.
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Joe Orthodox
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 6:10 am Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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John Galt wrote:
| Quote: | "AGGreen" <AGGreen@not_the_imposter.edu> wrote in message
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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On Aug 17, 1:16 pm, "AGGreen" <AGG@not the imposter.edu> wrote:
***Why are you delighting in this Russian aggression, this incursion into
and interference with Georgian internal affairs?
You know what I delight in? For two nights, the 8th and 9th of
August, Georgia subjected South Ossetia's Capitol Tskhinvali to
horrendous bombardment from missile artillery. Georgia destroyed 70%
of the Capital and 10 surrounding villages.
I delight that Russia did not wring it hands and call for six months
of talking and waffling in the UN but it did what was needed to stop
further ethnic cleansing. It went in and stopped the Georgian
aggression in a couple of days.
***I give you that. If Obama were in charge, he's still be trying to
organize a town hall meeting to discuss the issue!!
I would be very delighted if the States learnt a good lession from
this - how to deal effectively with such situations. How NOT to go
cross the territorial boundaries of another nation and then sit there
for years and years while the bloodshed waxes and wanes.
***Gosh damn right. But, the politicians, mostly Democrats, want to run
the war from Washington. Screw that. Give the military full reign. Iraq
would have been freed entirely and rebuilt by now were it not for the
leftist politicians.
Bravo for the speedy and decisive way Russia handled the crisis!
***Russia is still meddling in the internal affairs of Georgia.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/18/europe/EU-Poland-Missile-Defense.php
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp081708a.shtml
Vlad didnt' count on the blowback.......
JG
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I also posted an article a few days ago called the "The Pain Game"
(http://www.weeklystandard.com/Check.asp?idArticle=15410&r=pebgo) which
outlines what the US and NATO can do to build up a ring of porcupine
nations around Russia. The dumbass idea that, "The West can't do
anything about it", is wishful thinking. The Kremlin scored a quick
two-day crotch grabbing stunt in killing a few Georgians, but they've
just shot themselves in the foot from here on out.
Not only that, 5'5" tall Vlad and his 5'4" tall hand puppet Medvedev
reneged on their word TWICE in the last week and have broken the
cease-fire treaty, not to mention allowed the world to see that Putin
also broke his word that his plan all along wasn't to transfer power
from the presidency to the prime minister's post. They've just restored
in the world's eyes the Soviet reputation of bold-faced lying. What
Orthodox Christian leaders they've proclaimed themselves to be! |
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AGGreen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:53 am Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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On Aug 19, 1:36 am, "John Galt" <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/18/europe/EU-Poland-Missile-De...
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp081708a.shtml
Vlad didnt' count on the blowback.......
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So the United States is willing to take advantage of the Russian-
Georgian conflict to recklessly threaten Russia with missiles on its
very doorstep. Anbybody remember the American reaction to something
similar in Cuba!
***You mean Poland. The U.S. is responding to Poland request. In C
uba, Castro did not request missiles from the Soviets.
What hypocrisy! What a lack of concern for global security!
***Study up a little on the facts of the situations before you cry foul!
Does that Doomsday Clock still exist? If so, it will be starting to
inch closer to midnight again.
***With Russia winding the clock! |
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AGGreen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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On Aug 18, 12:35 pm, "AGGreen" <AGGreen@not_the_imposter.edu> wrote:
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***Russia is still meddling in the internal affairs of Georgia.
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The United States meddles in everyone's affairs! Why, it even
meddled in *our* affairs in 1984 and tried to bring us to our knees
economically.
The US imposed sanctions on New Zealand because we adopted a nuclear
free policy and refused to allow any nuclear powered ships to come
into our ports and territorial waters.
For doing that we were punished by the US.
We did not crumple. We may be a small nation but we don't bow to
bullies.
***Imagine all the money those radioactive sailors would have spent in your
little dot on the ocean!!
The next year 1985 the dreadful French even had the temerity to bomb
and sink a ship in one of our harbours and killed a crew member -
vengeance because of our nuclear free policy and its impact on their
atomic weapon testing in our part of the world. |
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AGGreen
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
news:43a115c4-8ae0-4d41-ac36-c09ca92d2c9d@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 18, 12:35 pm, "AGGreen" <AGGreen@not_the_imposter.edu> wrote:
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***Russia is still meddling in the internal affairs of Georgia.
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The United States meddles in everyone's affairs! Why, it even
meddled in *our* affairs in 1984 and tried to bring us to our knees
economically.
The US imposed sanctions on New Zealand because we adopted a nuclear
free policy and refused to allow any nuclear powered ships to come
into our ports and territorial waters.
For doing that we were punished by the US.
We did not crumple. We may be a small nation but we don't bow to
bullies.
The next year 1985 the dreadful French even had the temerity to bomb
and sink a ship in one of our harbours and killed a crew member -
vengeance because of our nuclear free policy and its impact on their
atomic weapon testing in our part of the world.
***Oh, I forgot. if New Zealand were threatened militarily (for what reason
i cannot imagine), the N.Z. government would be the first to ask the U.S.
for help. It's always like that, especially in Europe. European countries
decry our involvement and give us the cold shoulder, then beg for
intervention when the chips are down. (Of course, our politicians seem
hell-bent on immitating the French surrender monkeys!) |
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John Galt
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Vlad the Assailer |
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"Joe Orthodox" <spambucket@spaminator.net> wrote in message
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| Quote: | John Galt wrote:
"AGGreen" <AGGreen@not_the_imposter.edu> wrote in message
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"athair ambrois" <emrys@globe.net.nz> wrote in message
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On Aug 17, 1:16 pm, "AGGreen" <AGG@not the imposter.edu> wrote:
***Why are you delighting in this Russian aggression, this incursion
into
and interference with Georgian internal affairs?
You know what I delight in? For two nights, the 8th and 9th of
August, Georgia subjected South Ossetia's Capitol Tskhinvali to
horrendous bombardment from missile artillery. Georgia destroyed 70%
of the Capital and 10 surrounding villages.
I delight that Russia did not wring it hands and call for six months
of talking and waffling in the UN but it did what was needed to stop
further ethnic cleansing. It went in and stopped the Georgian
aggression in a couple of days.
***I give you that. If Obama were in charge, he's still be trying to
organize a town hall meeting to discuss the issue!!
I would be very delighted if the States learnt a good lession from
this - how to deal effectively with such situations. How NOT to go
cross the territorial boundaries of another nation and then sit there
for years and years while the bloodshed waxes and wanes.
***Gosh damn right. But, the politicians, mostly Democrats, want to run
the war from Washington. Screw that. Give the military full reign. Iraq
would have been freed entirely and rebuilt by now were it not for the
leftist politicians.
Bravo for the speedy and decisive way Russia handled the crisis!
***Russia is still meddling in the internal affairs of Georgia.
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/08/18/europe/EU-Poland-Missile-Defense.php
http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp081708a.shtml
Vlad didnt' count on the blowback.......
JG
I also posted an article a few days ago called the "The Pain Game"
(http://www.weeklystandard.com/Check.asp?idArticle=15410&r=pebgo) which
outlines what the US and NATO can do to build up a ring of porcupine
nations around Russia. The dumbass idea that, "The West can't do anything
about it", is wishful thinking. The Kremlin scored a quick two-day crotch
grabbing stunt in killing a few Georgians, but they've just shot
themselves in the foot from here on out.
Not only that, 5'5" tall Vlad and his 5'4" tall hand puppet Medvedev
reneged on their word TWICE in the last week and have broken the
cease-fire treaty, not to mention allowed the world to see that Putin also
broke his word that his plan all along wasn't to transfer power from the
presidency to the prime minister's post. They've just restored in the
world's eyes the Soviet reputation of bold-faced lying. What Orthodox
Christian leaders they've proclaimed themselves to be!
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I agree completely.
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Joe "Orthodox" wrote:
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The dumbass idea that, ...a quick two-day crotch grabbing stunt
...Not only that, 5'5" tall ... 5'4" tall hand puppet ....l...They've
just restored in the world's eyes the Soviet reputation of bold-faced
lying. What Orthodox Christian leaders they've proclaimed themselves
to be!
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And what an Orthodox Christian you have proven yourself with discussions
on the height of leaders, references to parts of male anatomy usually
left unmentioned, characterizations of an Orthodox country as a liar and
imputations about their Orthodoxy. All of this, of course, would be
fine as opinion if you didn't hide under a netname that suggest that you
hold an average Orthodox point of view. You don't, and your language
shows you don't utilize the language of the average Orthodox. |
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AGGreen
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"++" <friend@spambot.com> wrote in message
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Joe "Orthodox" wrote:
The dumbass idea that, ...a quick two-day crotch grabbing stunt ...Not
only that, 5'5" tall ... 5'4" tall hand puppet ....l...They've just
restored in the world's eyes the Soviet reputation of bold-faced lying.
What Orthodox Christian leaders they've proclaimed themselves to be!
And what an Orthodox Christian you have proven yourself with discussions
on the height of leaders, references to parts of male anatomy usually left
unmentioned, characterizations of an Orthodox country as a liar and
imputations about their Orthodoxy. All of this, of course, would be fine
as opinion if you didn't hide under a netname that suggest that you hold
an average Orthodox point of view. You don't, and your language shows you
don't utilize the language of the average Orthodox.
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***And you hide behind the ridiculous net name of "plus-plus". |
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