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On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpghttp://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpghttp://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
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Easy. The buildings collapsed.
The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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In article <ba25e884-bdc8-4dbb-ac19-5c225309f0e0@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 1:42 pm, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:16:28 -0700 (PDT), colp <c...@solder.ath.cx
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On Aug 19, 12:11 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <e1701d01-b1df-4fad-9953-b52dedb39...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:24 pm, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:10:09 -0700, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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On Aug 17, 11:34 am, DaN <D...@dansNOSPAMcomp.net> wrote:
Some Islamic assholes, hijacked some planes and crashed them into
buildings in the name of Allah.
What is so unbelievable about that?
That they managed to cause the destruction of the twin towers in
defiance of the known laws of physics.
If you take the official story as being factual then there were not
enough sources of energy to account for the fine particulate matter
and the pools of molten metal that were reported up to five weeks
after the event.
We're not going to let minor details get in the way.
Who do you believe; the laws of Physics or your lying government?
The laws of physics, none of which were violated on 9/11.
Which means that the American government lied, since the laws of
physics require more energy for the observed phenomena (molten metal,
powdered contrete, burned cars) that was available from sources
described by the official account.
You have been lied to by people that use the word, "truth" much too
much.
Do you have anything other than circular reasoning to support your
claim?
Do you have anything other than imagination to support yours?
The paper The North Tower's Dust Cloud: Analysis of Energy
Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the
Collapse of 1 World Trade Center uses photographic evidence --
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The authors like Jim Hoffman use the web and YouTube to make claims
that only people that are ignorant of the topic agree with.
let the author of that paper speak in public and make his claim to
people that have relevant expertise and lets hear the discussion. Real
scientists and engineers will speak to anyone, anywhere to make their
case and address question.
That's how differences of conclusions are worked out in the real word
of science. Members of the "Half Truth Movement" don't do that.
Why should I believe Hoffman?
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Al Dykes
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Al Dykes
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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In article <e7d574b8-cca2-4afc-81ee-6c82496b9e2d@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
colp <colp@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows
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They were too close to 100,000 tons of steel and concrete that fell as
much as 1,200 ft.
Nobody got a suntan at WTC on 9/11.
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Al Dykes
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DaN
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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Al Dykes wrote:
| Quote: | None of the people that make that claim will speak in public and
answer relevant questions from relevant experts to defend their
claims.
Why should I believe them until they do?
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They wont ever speak publicly, because then the world will see that they
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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colp wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 17, 11:34 am, DaN <D...@dansNOSPAMcomp.net> wrote:
Some Islamic assholes, hijacked some planes and crashed them into
buildings in the name of Allah.
What is so unbelievable about that?
That they managed to cause the destruction of the twin towers in
defiance of the known laws of physics.
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What Laws?
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If you take the official story as being factual then there were not
enough sources of energy to account for the fine particulate matter
and the pools of molten metal that were reported up to five weeks
after the event.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:44 pm Post subject: Re: 9/11 an Inside Job? - the SCIENTIFIC PROOF! |
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Funny how only people wearing tin-foil hats believe you.
Freedom Fighter wrote:
| Quote: | SIMPLE PHYSICS EXPOSES THE BIG 9/11 LIE -
GOVERNMENT BUILDING COLLAPSE
EXPLANATION FAILS REALITY CHECK
On September 11, 2001, the world watched in horror as the World Trade Center
(WTC) Twin Towers collapsed, killing thousands of innocent people. Videos of
the collapses were replayed ad nauseam on TV for days. About 5 hours after
the towers fell, WTC building 7 also collapsed suddenly, completely, and
straight down at near free-fall speed. This steel-framed building was not
touched by the planes that struck the towers, and had sustained relatively
minor debris damage and small fires. Nearby buildings far more heavily
damaged remained standing.
In June 2005, in an apparent response to an article by Morgan Reynolds,
former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates stated,
"The American people know what they saw with their own eyes on September 11,
2001. To suggest any kind of government conspiracy in the events of that day
goes beyond the pale."
We will prove here, with scientific rigor, that it's the government's tale
that's "beyond the pale"!
Did most of the American people really understand the unprecedented
phenomena they had witnessed? Could a lack of knowledge of physics, and the
emotional shock of this mass-murderous "terrorist attack" have stymied
objective thinking and led to the blind acceptance of authoritarian
assertions?
The government and the media TOLD US what we saw. The government told us
that we had witnessed a "gravitational" collapse; what is now referred to as
a "pancake collapse". According to the government claims, the plane crashes
and subsequent kerosene (like lamp oil - jet fuel is NOT exotic) fires
heated the UL-certified structural steel to the point where it was
significantly weakened, which is very difficult to believe, never mind
repeat in an experiment. Even with massive fires that incinerate everything
else, the steel frames of such buildings generally remain standing.
According to the "pancake theory", this purported (all physical evidence was
quickly and illegally destroyed) weakening supposedly caused part of the
tower to collapse downward onto the rest of the tower, which, we've been
repeatedly told, somehow resulted in a chain reaction of the lower floors
sequentially, one at a time, yielding to the weight falling from above.
There are some problems with that theory - it does not fit the observed
facts:
* It cannot account for the total failure of the immense vertical steel core
columns - as if they were there one moment and gone the next.
* The collapse times were near free-fall, far too rapid to be due to gravity
alone. This article focuses on the latter of these two discrepancies.
Those that concocted the "pancake theory" made a fatal error - they didn't
check their story against the inviolate laws of physics! This is easy to do,
even without any physical evidence to examine. We can test that incredible
pancake tale using basic high-school physics. Let's do that - use a simple,
unassailable, incontrovertible conservation-of-energy analysis to perform a
reality check that establishes once and for all that the government, and
such government story backers as PBS, Popular Mechanics, and Scientific
American have falsified the true nature of the 9/11 disaster.
How Gravity Acts:
Sir Isaac Newton noticed that apples fell from trees. Others had also
noticed this, but none had ever devised a theory of gravity from the
observation. Over the years, mankind has learned that the force of gravity
at and near Earth's surface produces an acceleration of known constant
magnitude. That doesn't mean we know HOW it works, or WHY, but we have
become able to predict its effects with a high degree of precision and
certainty - gravity has always had the same, predictable, effect.
Galileo Galilei used the leaning tower of Pisa to demonstrate that a large
ball and a small one (of lesser mass) fell (accelerated downward) at the
same rate. Prior to Galileo, people had just assumed that heavier objects
fall faster, much the way they had assumed the Earth was flat.
So while an object of greater mass will exert more force (its weight) upon
anything supporting it against gravity's pull, it does not experience any
greater acceleration when gravity's pull is not opposed - when it is
falling. Earth's gravity at and near the surface of the planet can only
accelerate objects downward at one known, constant rate: 32 feet per second
for each second of free fall. As Galileo demonstrated centuries ago, heavier
objects are not accelerated any quicker than are lighter objects.
So Earth's gravity produces a downward acceleration of 32 feet per second
per second. This means that an object, after falling one second, will be
falling at a speed of 32 ft/sec. After the 2nd second, it will be falling at
64 ft/sec. After the 3rd second, it will be falling at 96 ft/sec., and so
on.
Further, since gravity's acceleration is constant, and an object is falling
at 32 ft/sec after one second has elapsed, we know that it has averaged 16
ft/sec for the entire distance. Thus after one second, the object has fallen
16 feet.
Scientists have derived simple free-fall equations that can be used to
harness this knowledge mathematically. These equations can be found in any
high-school physics book:
* Falling velocity = acceleration of gravity x time. (V = G x T)
And
* Distance fallen = 1/2 x acceleration of gravity x time squared. (D = 1/2
x G x T x T)
So if we want to know how far an object has free-fallen after 3 seconds:
Distance = 1/2 x 32 x 9 = 144 feet
So after 3 seconds in Earth's gravity, an object will have fallen 144 feet
and will be falling at 96 ft/sec.
Checking Our Work:
We've just solved a simple physics problem. Now let's check our work, using
conservation of energy.
We know that energy can neither be created nor destroyed - it merely changes
form. If we take the potential (in this case chemical, molecular) energy in
a barrel of oil and burn it, it changes to heat energy. When we burn
gasoline in our car's engine, we get kinetic (motional) energy, plus some
heat, as an engine is not 100% efficient. When we use our car's brakes to
bleed off some of that kinetic energy (slow down), that energy is converted
into heat (the brakes get hot). Explosives convert potential energy
[molecular or atomic] to kinetic energy (explosive force) quickly enough to
shatter or even pulverize concrete.
In the case of the free-falling object, the two kinds of energy we are
concerned with are kinetic energy and potential energy. Examples of
potential (gravitational) energy are the energy available from water stored
up high in a water tower, or a boulder perched atop a hill. If whatever is
holding it up there is removed, it will fall under the influence of
gravity's pull. As it accelerates downward, the potential energy is
converted to the kinetic energy of the object's motion.
So, as an object falls, it changes its potential energy into kinetic energy.
The equation for potential energy is:
* Potential Energy = Mass (or weight) x Gravity x Height. (PE = M x G x H)
The equation for kinetic energy is:
* Kinetic Energy = 1/2 x Mass x Velocity squared. (KE = 1/2 x M x V x V)
So let's just say, for the sake of simplicity, that our falling object has a
mass of 1. (Remember, the object's mass will affect its energy, and its
momentum, but not its rate of free-fall.)
The potential energy given up by falling 3 seconds (144 ft) is: 1 x 32 x 144
= 4608
The kinetic energy gained after falling 3 secs is 1/2 x 1 x 96 squared = 1/2
x 9216 = 4608
So, the available potential energy was converted into kinetic energy. Seeing
that energy was, in fact, conserved is how we know that the answer in the
simple case above was correct. We've checked our work, using an independent
analysis, based upon the sound physical principle of conservation of energy.
Now, and only now, we can be certain that our answer was correct.
One Little Complication - the effect of air resistance:
The free-fall equations above reflect a perfect, frictionless world. They
perfectly predict the behavior of falling bodies in a vacuum. In fact, you
may have seen a science class demonstration in which the air is pumped out
of a tube and then a feather will fall, in that vacuum, just as fast as will
a solid metal ball.
That's how parachutes work: much of the falling object's potential energy
gets expended doing the work of pushing a lot of air out of the way in order
for the object to fall. As a result, not all of the gravitational potential
energy can go towards accelerating the object downward at gravity's rate of
32 ft/sec/sec.
In other words, only when there is zero frictional resistance can any
falling object's potential energy be completely converted into kinetic
energy. Anything that resists a falling object's downward velocity reduces
its acceleration from the maximum gravitational acceleration of 32 feet per
second per second, as some of gravity's potential energy is consumed in
overcoming frictional resistance.
This explains the phenomena of "terminal velocity". The free-fall equations
predict that a falling object's velocity will continue to increase without
limit. But in air, once a falling object reaches a certain speed, its
propensity to fall will be matched by the air's resistance to the fall. At
that point the object will continue to fall, but its speed will no longer
increase over time. Another way of looking at it is this: gravity's
incessant force produces a downward acceleration, but friction with the air
creates an upward force and thus an upward acceleration. When falling at
terminal velocity, the acceleration downward equals the acceleration upward,
they cancel each other out, and a constant downward velocity is maintained.
Thus the parachute, with its high air friction resistance, allows the person
attached to it to float to earth unharmed.
A Quick Recap:
Earth's gravity causes objects to fall, and they fall according to precise
physical equations. The equations assume no air or other resistance. Any
resistance at all will cause the object to fall less rapidly than it would
without that resistance. If a falling object is affected by air resistance
it falls slower than it would if free-falling, and it will take longer to
fall a given distance.
Free-fall From WTC Building Heights:
The towers were 1350 and 1360 feet tall; average = 1355 feet. Let's start by
using our free-fall equation to see how long it should take an object to
free-fall from the towers' height.
Distance = 1/2 x Gravity x Time squared. (D = 1/2 x G x T x T)
With a little basic algebra, we solve the equation for the fall time, T:
2 x Distance = Gravity x Time(squared) (2 x D = G x T x T)
Time squared = (2 x Distance) / Gravity (T x T = 2 x D / G)
Time squared = 2 x 1355 / 32 = 84.7 (T = square root of (2 x D / G))
Time = 9.2
So our equation tells us that it takes 9.2 seconds to free-fall to the
ground from the height of the WTC towers.
Using our simpler equation, V = G x T, we can see that at 9.2 seconds, the
free-falling object's velocity must be about 295 ft/sec, which is just over
200 mph.
But that can only occur IN A VACUUM.
Since the WTC was in Earth's atmosphere at sea level, you might be able to
imagine how much air resistance that represents. Think about putting your
arm out the window of a car moving even half that fast! Most free-falling
objects reach their terminal velocity long before they reach 200 mph. For
example, the terminal velocity of a free-falling human body is around 120
mph. The terminal velocity of a free-falling cat is around 60 mph.
Therefore, it is clear that air resistance alone will make it take longer
than 9.2 seconds for anything falling from the towers' height to reach the
ground.
Observations from 9/11:
On page 305 of the 9/11 Commission Report, we are told, in the government's
"complete and final report" on 9/11, that the South Tower collapsed in 10
seconds. Here is the exact quote:
"At 9:58:59, the South Tower collapsed in ten seconds". That's the
government's official number. With all the videos that show it, they could
not lie about this.
But as we've determined above, the FREE-FALL TIME IN A VACUUM is 9.2
seconds, and 10 seconds is an exceptionally short fall time through the air.
This "collapse" was not without far more physical resistance than from the
air alone. It proceeded through all the lower stories of the tower. Those
undamaged floors below the plane impact zone offered resistance thousands of
times greater than that of air. Those lower stories, and the central steel
core columns, had successfully supported the mass of the tower for 30 years
despite hurricane-force winds and tremors. Air cannot do that.
Can anyone possibly imagine undamaged lower floors getting out of the way of
the upper floors as gracefully and relatively frictionlessly as air would?
Can anyone possibly imagine the lower stories slowing the fall of the upper
floors less than would, say, a parachute?
It is beyond the scope of the simple but uncontested physics here to tell
you how long such a collapse should have taken. Would it have taken a
minute? Ten minutes? Hard to say, but certainly it would take far more than
10 seconds!
What is certain, beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that the towers could not
have collapsed gravitationally, through their intact lower stories, as
rapidly as was observed on 9/11. Not even close. This is shown above to be
physically impossible!
Not only was tremendous energy expended in causing the observed massive
high-speed sideways debris ejections, but virtually all the concrete and
glass of the tower was pulverized - actually dissociated is a better word.
Never mind what happened to all the supporting steel core columns! The
energy requirements to do anything like that, alone, rival the total amount
of potential energy that the entire tower had to give. Gravity alone is
sufficient to cause some things to fall that far, even through air, in close
to the observed 10 second collapse time. But that is without the huge
expenditure of energy necessary to pulverize all of that concrete and glass,
eject debris, plus cause the steel core columns to effectively disappear.
The gravitational potential energy present was certainly not enough to have
done all these things at once.
Energy can neither be created nor destroyed; it only changes form. So WHERE
DID ALL THAT ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTIVE ENERGY COME FROM?
Conclusions:
In order for the towers to have collapsed "gravitationally" in the observed
duration, as we've been told over and over again, one or more of the
following zany-sounding conditions must have been met:
* The undamaged structure below the impact zone offered zero resistance to
the collapse.
* The glass and concrete spontaneously disintegrated without any expenditure
of energy.
* The massive vertical steel core columns simply vanished, as if by magic.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, gravity was much stronger than
gravity.
* On 9/11 alone, in that location alone, energy was not conserved.
None of these laws-of-physics-violating, and thus impossible, conditions can
be accounted for by the official government theory of 9/11, nor by any of
the subsequent analyses and arguments designed to prop up this official myth
of 9/11.
The Bottom Line:
The government explanations for the WTC collapses fail the most basic
conservation-of-energy reality check. Therefore the government theory is
FALSE; it does not fit the observed facts, and the notion of a "pancake
collapse" cannot account for what happened. The "pancake collapse"
explanation is impossible, and thus absurd. It is A LIE.
It is utterly impossible for a gravitational collapse to proceed so
destructively through a path of such great resistance in anywhere near
free-fall time. This fact debunks the preposterous contention that the WTC
collapses can be blamed solely upon damage resulting from the plane impacts.
The unnaturally short durations of the top-down collapses reveal that the
towers did not disintegrate because they were coming down, but rather they
came down because something else was causing them to disintegrate.
So, to the extent that people accept the ridiculous "pancake collapse"
story, former CIA Director and current Secretary of Defense Gates' other
premise, that people know what they saw, is also false. It is left to you to
decide if his conclusion, which was based upon clearly incorrect
presumptions, is also flawed.
The collapse of WTC building 7, which was NOT hit by any plane, and which
also collapsed within a second of free-fall time later that same day,
similarly fails the conservation-of-energy analysis. The 9/11 Commission
made no attempt to explain it.
Just how and why so many highly-accredited and credentialed people all so
miserably failed to check the "pancake collapse" theory, by giving it this
basic physics reality check, is beyond the scope of this analysis.
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FURTHER IRREFUTABLE PROOF BY PHYSICS OF THE 9/11 INSIDE JOB:
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2007/12/glaring-proof-of-something-hotter-than.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck's_law_of_black_body_radiation
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Al Dykes
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In article <907a153f-23ce-4377-8c74-e07ba9da6902@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Iarnrod <iarnrod@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 3:07=A0am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com=
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On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudywood.=
com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpghttp://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dew=
pics/Image178.jpghttp://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
That's the mystery to me.
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A few of these trucks are in display in museums. Here's one.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/81434693@N00/106801478/
I don't need to go look at one. I saw some of them for real as they
were being hauled away from WTC after 9/11.
Nobody with any relevant expertise, which in this case being an
eyewitness to WTC on and after 9/11, thinks there is anything strange
about these trucks given where they were on 9/11/2001.
I think the k00ks think they are armored tanks and should be
indestructible. They are not, they are just special-purpose trucks.
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Al Dykes
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On Aug 20, 12:15 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <e7d574b8-cca2-4afc-81ee-6c82496b9...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows
They were too close to 100,000 tons of steel and concrete that fell as
much as 1,200 ft.
Nobody got a suntan at WTC on 9/11.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Aug 20, 3:04 am, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 3:07 am, colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpghttp://drjudyw...
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows-
Easy. The buildings collapsed.
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Then why are there no dents on the roof of the firetruck?
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The question here is, what on earth do you find unusual about broken
windows, dents and dust on firetrucks that were at the base of 1,200
foot burning and structurally damaged skyscrapers that collapsed?
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What I find unusual is that the windows appear to have been completely
blown out, with little glass remaining around the frame. The side
windows on both the left and right sides of the truck have no exposure
to debris falling straight down, but some panes are almost completely
absent of glass. |
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colp
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Aug 20, 12:13 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <ba25e884-bdc8-4dbb-ac19-5c225309f...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 19, 1:42 pm, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:16:28 -0700 (PDT), colp <c...@solder.ath.cx
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On Aug 19, 12:11 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <e1701d01-b1df-4fad-9953-b52dedb39...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 17, 2:24 pm, agen...@justicespammail.com wrote:
On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 19:10:09 -0700, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"colp" <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote in message
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On Aug 17, 11:34 am, DaN <D...@dansNOSPAMcomp.net> wrote:
Some Islamic assholes, hijacked some planes and crashed them into
buildings in the name of Allah.
What is so unbelievable about that?
That they managed to cause the destruction of the twin towers in
defiance of the known laws of physics.
If you take the official story as being factual then there were not
enough sources of energy to account for the fine particulate matter
and the pools of molten metal that were reported up to five weeks
after the event.
We're not going to let minor details get in the way.
Who do you believe; the laws of Physics or your lying government?
The laws of physics, none of which were violated on 9/11.
Which means that the American government lied, since the laws of
physics require more energy for the observed phenomena (molten metal,
powdered contrete, burned cars) that was available from sources
described by the official account.
You have been lied to by people that use the word, "truth" much too
much.
Do you have anything other than circular reasoning to support your
claim?
Do you have anything other than imagination to support yours?
The paper The North Tower's Dust Cloud: Analysis of Energy
Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the
Collapse of 1 World Trade Center uses photographic evidence --
The authors like Jim Hoffman use the web and YouTube to make claims
that only people that are ignorant of the topic agree with.
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The only ignorance that is relevant is ignorance of the the laws of
physics which describe the amount of energy necessary convert solid
concrete to fine powder, of ignorance of the standard kinematic
relationships.
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let the author of that paper speak in public and make his claim to
people that have relevant expertise and lets hear the discussion.
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Why? The relevant information is available in his paper.
http://911research.wtc7.net/papers/dustvolume/index.html
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scientists and engineers will speak to anyone, anywhere to make their
case and address question.
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Rubbish. They've got better things to do that take calls from idiots
all day long. |
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colp
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Aug 19, 12:18 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
| Quote: | In article <5a1d8028-06d3-4965-bf5a-552a09708...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 12:04 pm, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <d36a9c8c-aa85-4168-9961-ae6ef947f...@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>,
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Why should I believe people that won't explain their claims and answer
relevant questions in public?
Because the questions are often not relevant to the facts.
One of the facts in this case is the official story cannot explain the
high energy destruction of the twin towers.
None of the people that make that claim will speak in public and
answer relevant questions from relevant experts to defend their
claims.
Why should I believe them until they do?
Because at the end of the day you have to think for yourself.
I do. I do.
Nobody that claims that anything but two large commercial jets caused
all the destruction will speak in public. I have some very specific,
relevant questions for a couple of them based on my relevant
professional and job experience.
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What are your questions? |
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Raptor
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goa |
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Moslem cartoon character mohammed was a paedophile 6th century warlord
who cooked up a false religion in order to supplement brutality as a
means of bringing people under subjection wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 16, 7:34 pm, DaN <D...@dansNOSPAMcomp.net> wrote:
Some Islamic assholes, hijacked some planes and crashed them into
buildings in the name of Allah.
What is so unbelievable about that?
HOW TO BECOME A SHITSKIN MOSLEM - this is how: fuck goats, fuck your
mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist
activities at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey
you fucked to a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your
child off to an indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little
kids, ............ Practice all those and you too could become a
prophet !!
Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:50:08 -0700 (PDT), colp <colp@solder.ath.cx>
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| Quote: | Do you have anything other than circular reasoning to support your
claim?
Do you have anything other than imagination to support yours?
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No, I see that you don't.
| Quote: | The paper The North Tower's Dust Cloud: Analysis of Energy
Requirements for the Expansion of the Dust Cloud Following the
Collapse of 1 World Trade Center uses photographic evidence --
primarily a reference photograph taken from FEMA's report
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Gee, a whole "theory" based on the analysis of one photograph. Too
bad Hoffman ignores all the other evidence.
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estimate the volume of the dust cloud that grew from the collapse of
the North Tower at about 30 seconds after the commencement of the
collapse. The paper then estimates the thermal energy required to
produce the observed expansion in the volume of the dust cloud, based
on the assumption that most of the gasses and suspended solids in the
cloud originated from within the building.
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Hoffman is a software engineer who is writing about stuff that he
knows nothing about. He starts off with several erroneous
assumptions:
(1) All of the concrete in the building was pulverized.
(2) All of the dust came from the concrete.
(3) It took some kind of thermal reaction to push the cloud away from
the building.
All of these assumptions are wrong.
You really need to read material from other sources besides conspiracy
wacko websites. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:07:08 -0700 (PDT), colp <colp@solder.ath.cx>
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| Quote: | On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
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Large parts of the buildings fell on them. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Was 9/11 an Inside Job? |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:48:22 -0700 (PDT), colp <colp@solder.ath.cx>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 20, 12:15 am, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) wrote:
In article <e7d574b8-cca2-4afc-81ee-6c82496b9...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
colp <c...@solder.ath.cx> wrote:
On Aug 18, 5:12 pm, Iarnrod <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 16, 8:02 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
"Iarnrod" <iarn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:e7d4792d-2895-455c-bfcd-84b44cad05b8@b30g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 16, 12:35 pm, "al92653" <al92...@xyz.com> wrote:
Was 9/11 an Inside Job?
No, it wasn't.
Maybe it wasn't, maybe it was. Waaaay too many answered questions!
So name one already, and we'll answer it for you. 9/11 could not have
been an "inside job" and if you have questions it can only mean you
ain't been paying attention.
How did the firetrucks suffer this damage?
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image176.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image177.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image178.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/dewpics/Image181.jpg
http://drjudywood.com/articles/DEW/StarWarsBeam5.html#windows
They were too close to 100,000 tons of steel and concrete that fell as
much as 1,200 ft.
Nobody got a suntan at WTC on 9/11.
You haven't answered the question.
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Yes he did. You just don't like the answer. |
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