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Scott Lowther
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 Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Ed Clowes wrote:
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Suppose it works that way for *all* gods, and it becomes a matter of "He
who owns the most souls at the end of the universe wins"? Winner take
all, that sort of thing. Its just a big battle for souls among the
various deities, and they gain strength through our offerings, prayer,
what have you, which in turn allows them more power to spead their
influence, thus gaining more followers, on and on...
Could explain the waxing and waning of spiritual movements down through
the centuries. Probably, its just a load of shit.
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Gotta respect a view that considers that it may well be nonsense.
Almost relevant: some years ago I had an idea for a novel: Ragnarok
finally comes in the heavens. The Einherjar, who have in their ranks
mostly "Asatruar," butr also a great many other (and somewhat confused)
warriors, along with non-Asatruar filling up the other halls as well (I
put Volund & Co. in with Thor, not haveing any contradictory evidence),
swarm out to meet the giants. However, while the jotun show up with
swords of fire and the like, the human warriors have advanced in
technology. The battle is over in a few hours; a few tactical nukes
planted on the plain of Vigrid wipe out most of the Jotun, and aircraft
and tanks mop up the rest. The gods and warriors and technicians and
farmers are left somewhat stumped as to what to do now, given that the
planned-for future just got re-written.
So... they invade (Christian) Hell. |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:28 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Ed Clowes wrote:
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if
thinking for myself leads me to throw out all of the wisdom therein and
just be an ass, can I still call myself loyal to the Gods with any
honesty?
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Quite possibly. The Eddas showed that, unlike some *other* gods one can
mention, the Aesir neither made claim to perfection, nor demonstrated
it. They were wrong from time to time, sometimes spectacularly so. As
I'm sure Eric would attest in *other* circumstances, it is not betrayal
to point out the errors of higher authorities.
Going against the wisdom of the lore as general practice, however, is
being an ass. Like those Pavlovian dog goofballs who go apeshit whenever
Bush says anything and immediately oppose it without thought, someone
who regualrly goes against the lore while claiming to be Asatru is
actually being somewhat treasonous. If you find the lore ain't for
you... go elsewhere. Or claim allegiance with Surt, and see what good
that does you. |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:32 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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quiquiribu_mandinga@yahoo.com wrote:
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Can't imagine anyone here throwing out all the wisdom of the Eddas, but
there's certainly much room for skepticism. The Havamal, for instance,
contains much which I haven't found to be particularly good advice,
particularly as regards relationships with women.
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Or all the magic nonsense. Sorry, carving runes ain't gonna help.
However, the practical parts of the Havamal fit perfectly with my
worldview. Oppose evil. Welcome friends. Beware uncertain circumstances.
Lie to your enemies. Pack heat. Don't get wasted. Laugh. |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:45 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Ed Clowes wrote:
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The incompetent dunderheads at SBC
and a bout of paranoia that someone was trying to steal my identity
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Just cuz yer paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. |
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robert bowman
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:50 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
| Quote: | Then the US Navy showed up in the middle 19th century, forced Japan to
open up to trade with the west, and guns were re-introduced.
In retrospect, perhaps not the best move.
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When you force Western ideas on a society you get, well, you get what you
get...
| Quote: | I'm not sure a modern knuckledragger armed with a Raven .25 has much in
the way of spiritual heritage, either.
True. A Winchester Model 12 shotgun, a Tommygun, a Model 1911...
those are firearms with soul.
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Ain't the weapons that have the soul. Not that I don't admire well made
tools versus cheap crap but the 'Equalizer' often lended a superiority to
lowlifes. Trash with a Streetsweeper is still trash.
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:55 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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robert bowman wrote:
| Quote: | Ain't the weapons that have the soul.
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Oh, come now. Haven't you heard that assault weapons are dangerous? They
go off all on their own, doncha know. They're possessed, at the very least. |
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Ed Clowes
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:30 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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In article <JENpe.530$2o7.384@news02.roc.ny>,
scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com says...
| Quote: | Ed Clowes wrote:
Suppose it works that way for *all* gods, and it becomes a matter of "He
who owns the most souls at the end of the universe wins"? Winner take
all, that sort of thing. Its just a big battle for souls among the
various deities, and they gain strength through our offerings, prayer,
what have you, which in turn allows them more power to spead their
influence, thus gaining more followers, on and on...
Could explain the waxing and waning of spiritual movements down through
the centuries. Probably, its just a load of shit.
Gotta respect a view that considers that it may well be nonsense.
Almost relevant: some years ago I had an idea for a novel: Ragnarok
finally comes in the heavens. The Einherjar, who have in their ranks
mostly "Asatruar," butr also a great many other (and somewhat confused)
warriors, along with non-Asatruar filling up the other halls as well (I
put Volund & Co. in with Thor, not haveing any contradictory evidence),
swarm out to meet the giants. However, while the jotun show up with
swords of fire and the like, the human warriors have advanced in
technology. The battle is over in a few hours; a few tactical nukes
planted on the plain of Vigrid wipe out most of the Jotun, and aircraft
and tanks mop up the rest. The gods and warriors and technicians and
farmers are left somewhat stumped as to what to do now, given that the
planned-for future just got re-written.
So... they invade (Christian) Hell.
Heh- sounds like a novel I'd buy. Get to writin', man. |
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Ed Clowes
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:35 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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In article <23Ope.162$yg4.88@news01.roc.ny>,
scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com says...
| Quote: | Ed Clowes wrote:
The incompetent dunderheads at SBC
and a bout of paranoia that someone was trying to steal my identity
Just cuz yer paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
Yeah- which is why I've added an extra layer of shielding to my net |
access. Never hurts to mind the little things. |
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Ed Clowes
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:44 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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In article <XONpe.153$yg4.110@news01.roc.ny>,
scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com says...
| Quote: | Ed Clowes wrote:
if
thinking for myself leads me to throw out all of the wisdom therein and
just be an ass, can I still call myself loyal to the Gods with any
honesty?
Quite possibly. The Eddas showed that, unlike some *other* gods one can
mention, the Aesir neither made claim to perfection, nor demonstrated
it. They were wrong from time to time, sometimes spectacularly so. As
I'm sure Eric would attest in *other* circumstances, it is not betrayal
to point out the errors of higher authorities.
Going against the wisdom of the lore as general practice, however, is
being an ass. Like those Pavlovian dog goofballs who go apeshit whenever
Bush says anything and immediately oppose it without thought, someone
who regualrly goes against the lore while claiming to be Asatru is
actually being somewhat treasonous. If you find the lore ain't for
you... go elsewhere. Or claim allegiance with Surt, and see what good
that does you.
Ends up bring the question back around to who's making the decisions- |
act like an ass, and the Gods will make the decision for you.
Ed |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Ed Clowes wrote:
| Quote: | Heh- sounds like a novel I'd buy. Get to writin', man.
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That's where it always seems to fall down. Lots of ideas, but writing
them down (such that they don;t suck) can be a lot harder'n than you
might think.
In any event, Hell was to be jsut one step along the way to the final
goal. As a hint, the title I was thinking of was: "Storming the Gates of
Heaven." |
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Romauld
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:49 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Recently, a script from Scott Lowther arrived, in which they said:
<snip an entertainig idea. are you a writer?
: So... they invade (Christian) Hell.
You been reading Neil Gaiman's work lately? :)
~R
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Romauld - romauld at necrotheque dot dcu
All Pagans who think of themselves as Elders should read this:
http://www.partiallyclips.com/pages/archive.php?id=1021&b=1 |
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PSn
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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I would note that the term to use the name of a deity "in vain" does not
necessarily refer to saying that name or a variation thereof for secular
purposes, but more often had to do with performing an action not sanctioned
by said deity and then claiming that it was.
Like if someone went and killed a guy and said, "I did it in the name of
Odin!"
That would be using Odin's name in vain, for one's one vanity, to say they
are an instrument of holy powers when they clearly are not.
Also, Nik, it's useless to keep telling him to stop, he's just going to get
worse about it. :P
<lexcorp@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | Taking her name in vain again...
Nope. Grow up, son. You ain't the friggen' Asa-Pope, no matter how much
you might think you are. Time for you to realize the world is more
diverse than your little circle. "Friggen" is a perfectly common word
hereabouts, and has precisely as much religious meaning as "Saturday"
does.
Now... move along. The adults are trying to have a conversation.
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PSn
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Be sure to change your tin-foil underwear regularly. Trust me, it does
break down over time. :P
"Ed Clowes" <eclowes@direcway.com> wrote in message
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| Quote: | In article <23Ope.162$yg4.88@news01.roc.ny>,
scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com says...
Ed Clowes wrote:
The incompetent dunderheads at SBC
and a bout of paranoia that someone was trying to steal my identity
Just cuz yer paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
Yeah- which is why I've added an extra layer of shielding to my net
access. Never hurts to mind the little things. |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Romauld wrote:
| Quote: | Recently, a script from Scott Lowther arrived, in which they said:
snip an entertainig idea. are you a writer?
: So... they invade (Christian) Hell.
You been reading Neil Gaiman's work lately? :)
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Never have. |
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Scott Lowther
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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PSn wrote:
| Quote: | I would note that the term to use the name of a deity "in vain" does not
necessarily refer to saying that name or a variation thereof for secular
purposes,
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And nor does it appear in the Eddas, let alone the Havamal. Sound like
*someone* has appropriated some *other* religions rules in order to set
himself up as Pope of all Asatruar. |
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