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Hey All,
Some posts recently have touched on such topics as gun control and
secular law VS religious law. My wife was searching the web a while ago
and came across this
http://www.runestone.org/gunctrl.html
and I thought I would post it.
(I have no knowledge of the author or the site, so I don't know what
opinion those older in Asatru than I hold of him/it, if any.)
Thoughts?
Have Fun,
Ed
What would Odin say about GUN CONTROL?
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Stephen A. McNallen
The right to keep and bear arms is one of the most passionately debated
issues on the American political stage. Patriots, gun owners, liberals,
the media, hunters - a dozen different factions are wrangling back and
forth to determine what the role of firearms will be in the future of
this country.
We who follow the way of the warrior have an interest in this debate.
Guns represent the weapons technology of our era, and, however much we
might hearken back to the gleaming blades of an earlier century, we owe
it to ourselves to follow the back-and-forth of this controversy.
The Second Amendment to the Constitution is the main line of defense
against gun-grabbers, of course. But our involvement with weapons, and
their essential role in preserving freedom and honor, goes back far into
the dim mists of history - to a time when the Constitution and the
nation it came to represent was undreamed of.
In ancient Europe, weapons had a religious character. Odin, father of
the Gods in the Norse myths, carried a great spear named Gungnir. He
wandered around the world, disguised in his floppy hat and long cloak,
giving magical swords to his favored heroes. With these, they were
expected to perform great deeds on the battlefield and, when their lives
were done, to join Odin in Valhalla. There, with other great souls, the
hero would prepare for the ultimate conflict of Ragnarok.
There is some evidence that the fallen warrior's weapon would accompany
him into the afterlife. He was buried with it, of course, but that's not
all - in some graves, the sword has been heated and twisted out of
shape, as though it was being "killed" so that its spirit could
accompany that of its owner into the Otherworld. Besides, he would no
doubt need it as he walked the dangerous, ordeal-ridden "Hel-road" that
leads to the realm of the Gods.
In Germanic society, however, weapons weren't just present at the end of
life. They played a role in its beginning, as well. A new-born infant
would be offered a taste of salt from the tip of a sword as its welcome
into the world. Later, when he grew into manhood, the youth would be
given his first shield and blade (whether sword, or axe, or spear) on
the day he was initiated into the tribal assembly. This panoply
represented his duty to defend his kin, as well as his rights as a
freeman - even then, the link between weapons and freedom was
understood. This folkway carried over into the Middle Ages, when a man
about to be knighted stood prayerful vigil over his arms and armor
throughout the night.
Oaths were sworn on weapons, and the steel might be called upon to turn
against its owner if the words which were spoken over it were not true.
In the lore of the Vikings, Odin himself tells his followers to be
armed. As the poem called the Havamal warns us,
A wayfarer should not walk unarmed,
But have his weapons to hand:
He never knows when he may need a spear,
Or what menace meet on the road.
But it wasn't just the Norsemen who idolized their weaponry; the ancient
Celts shared this sentiment. The Iceni, as a typical British tribe,
possessed certain weapons which were held to be particularly sacred. The
Romans decided to confiscate them to prevent an uprising - thereby
bringing about the very thing they were hoping to avert. Under their
fiery queen, the red-haired Boudicca, the Iceni rose in revolt and
almost ended the Roman occupation of the British Isles.
Such a preoccupation with instruments of destruction, some might say, is
now out of date. After all, we live in a kinder, gentler world than that
of the ancient Teutonic and Celtic tribes. We're civilized now. Death
doesn't threaten our daily lives, and if danger does appear, we call the
police.
One problem with this viewpoint is that the police often don't come, or
they don't come in time to do any good. You could get killed many times
over, with a gratuitous rape thrown in for good measure, between the
time your fingers dial 911 and the time a squad car pulls up in front of
your house. The cops are outnumbered, outgunned, and generally out of
the scenario. In real life, you're on your own.
While we're at it, let's look at the idea that our world is less violent
than that of, say, the Vikings. According to M.I. Steblin-Kamenskij in
his book The Saga Mind, we have a record of acts of violence in Iceland
over a period of several centuries. At the height of the heroic age in
that Viking colony, when every freeman carried a sword or axe or spear,
the per capita murder rate was a lot less than in most urban areas in
America today! We live in an extremely violent time, and the prognosis
is for more of the same.
Advocates of gun control might argue reluctantly that even if times
haven't changed, technology has. Guns are not swords. Any religious or
cultural arguments made for edged weapons are irrelevant in an age of
semi-automatic rifles and pistols. In putting forth this idea, however,
they forget several facts.
For one thing, the role of the individual weapon has remained unchanged.
It ultimately does not matter if the device that deters attack on an
innocent person is a knife, a battle-axe, a 9mm Browning pistol, or one
of the dreaded "assault rifles." The goal is to keep the would-be
mugger, rapist, or murderer at bay. Since the assailant may be equipped
with modern arms, the potential victim must be likewise prepared.
Secondly, from the days of King Olaf to the present, weapons in the
hands of individuals have been a safeguard against tyrannical rulers.
This is just as true for us as it was for the farmers who defended
freedom in old Norway. However, the sharpest sword is no match for the
guns of even a very third-rate army at the close of the twentieth
century; logic and common sense compels free citizens to have firearms -
and not muzzle loaders, either! Finally, there is precedent for
declaring guns to be the spiritual equivalent of ancient blades; the
Japanese acknowledged rifles as the successors to the samurai swords of
old, during the Second World War.
When you take a good look at history, you see that the right to possess
arms is not something that appeared miraculously in colonial America.
This is a folkway with its roots lost in European prehistory, and those
roots are as much spiritual as they are governmental. Ultimately,
bearing arms is a religious right, and thus cannot be abrogated by any
state.
To make this really clear, think back to that old movie, The Vikings. In
this epic, Ragnar (Ernest Borgnine) is about to be fed to the wolves. He
asks for the right to die "like a Viking," with a sword in his hand,
lest he not be admitted to Valhalla. Now, there's a bit of modern myth-
making here; the rules for entrance to Odin's hall are not laid out
nearly so exactly in any of the sources that scholars know. But the
spirit of Ragnar's request remains valid. We do know that Valhalla was
not for the lowly or common. The early Danish hero Biarki, speaking of
Odin, says that
War springs from the nobly born; famous pedigrees are the makers of war.
For the perilous deeds which chiefs attempt are not to be done by the
ventures of common men...No dim and lowly race, no low-born dead, no
base souls are Pluto's [Read: Odin's] prey, but he weaves the dooms of
the mighty, and fills Phlegethon [Valhalla] with noble shapes.
Slaves shall never sit at Odin's table, or quaff the mead poured by
valkyrie's hands. And throughout history, one trait more than any other
has been the hallmark of slaves: They are forbidden weapons.
The conceit of the twentieth century is that we have done away with
slavery. But make no mistake, anyone disarmed by the state is a slave,
no matter how free he is to frequent the shopping malls, or how new the
car that sits in his garage. I cannot speak for Odin, but I believe that
no man or woman who turns in his or her gun to the government will ever
look on the faces of the blest in Valhalla. Surrender your "assault
rifle," and be doomed to the cold and murk of Hel's home; you have no
place among heroes.
Outmoded philosophy? I think not. The nature of tyranny has not changed
in a thousand years, nor has the liberty-loving heart that resists it.
And I am confident that admittance standards for Valhalla have not been
"dumbed down."
All of this would be theoretical if the heroic religion of the Vikings
and their European cousins was extinct. But that religion, called
Asatru, survives today and still speaks uncompromisingly for the spirit
of our ancestors. Would-be dictators will meet the opposition of
dedicated men and women who will not give up their rights in the face of
either fashion or force.
As this article shows, the right to arms is far older than the American
Constitution. It is planted deep in the bedrock of ancient European
culture and religion. Will we let today's slave masters hew down the
Teutonic oak of freedom with an axe stolen from a freeman's hands? Will
we allow them to shoot it in half with guns pried from the fingers of
dead heroes? Never! For we of Asatru, the bearing of arms is not just
custom, not just a legal right, but a matter of the troth that binds us
to our Gods. Tyrants, beware!
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:03 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Thomas Riker wrote:
| Quote: | What would Odin say about GUN CONTROL?
Probably something akin to: "What are you, stupid or something? Friggen' |
gun-grabbers piss me off..."
| Quote: | There is some evidence that the fallen warrior's weapon would accompany
him into the afterlife. He was buried with it, of course, but that's not
all - in some graves, the sword has been heated and twisted out of
shape, as though it was being "killed" so that its spirit could
accompany that of its owner into the Otherworld.
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A more pragmatic explanation - though less satisfying - is that the
sword is destroyed so it can't be easily dug up and used by an enemy.
| Quote: | Finally, there is precedent for
declaring guns to be the spiritual equivalent of ancient blades; the
Japanese acknowledged rifles as the successors to the samurai swords of
old, during the Second World War.
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Those cheap-ass Japanese guns from the Second World War are the
spiritual descendants of carefully craftedd Katanas? No wonder they lost
so bad.
| Quote: | We do know that Valhalla was
not for the lowly or common.
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Accordign to some, yes.
| Quote: | Slaves shall never sit at Odin's table, or quaff the mead poured by
valkyrie's hands.
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How about slaves like Spartacus?
| Quote: | I cannot speak for Odin, but I believe that
no man or woman who turns in his or her gun to the government will ever
look on the faces of the blest in Valhalla. Surrender your "assault
rifle," and be doomed to the cold and murk of Hel's home; you have no
place among heroes.
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I'll buy that. Easier to simply lie and say that you got rid of it. Lots
of Canucks and Aussies did that. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:40 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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In article <I6upe.59$yg4.4@news01.roc.ny>,
scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com says...
| Quote: | Thomas Riker wrote:
What would Odin say about GUN CONTROL?
Probably something akin to: "What are you, stupid or something? Friggen'
gun-grabbers piss me off..."
There is some evidence that the fallen warrior's weapon would accompany
him into the afterlife. He was buried with it, of course, but that's not
all - in some graves, the sword has been heated and twisted out of
shape, as though it was being "killed" so that its spirit could
accompany that of its owner into the Otherworld.
A more pragmatic explanation - though less satisfying - is that the
sword is destroyed so it can't be easily dug up and used by an enemy.
Finally, there is precedent for
declaring guns to be the spiritual equivalent of ancient blades; the
Japanese acknowledged rifles as the successors to the samurai swords of
old, during the Second World War.
Those cheap-ass Japanese guns from the Second World War are the
spiritual descendants of carefully craftedd Katanas? No wonder they lost
so bad.
We do know that Valhalla was
not for the lowly or common.
Accordign to some, yes.
Slaves shall never sit at Odin's table, or quaff the mead poured by
valkyrie's hands.
How about slaves like Spartacus?
Spartacus was never a slave in spirit, only in name, so I would guess he |
would get a pass.
| Quote: | I cannot speak for Odin, but I believe that
no man or woman who turns in his or her gun to the government will ever
look on the faces of the blest in Valhalla. Surrender your "assault
rifle," and be doomed to the cold and murk of Hel's home; you have no
place among heroes.
I'll buy that. Easier to simply lie and say that you got rid of it. Lots
of Canucks and Aussies did that.
Unless the goose-steppers come barging through your door to see for |
themselves. Hide 'em somewhere a metal detector won't go.
Ed
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:17 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Ed Clowes wrote:
| Quote: | Slaves shall never sit at Odin's table, or quaff the mead poured by
valkyrie's hands.
How about slaves like Spartacus?
Spartacus was never a slave in spirit, only in name, so I would guess he
would get a pass.
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One would hope, though I guess I wouldn't be overly surprised if a
"slaves stay out' sign is hung on the door to Valhalla. As memory
serves, Odin was, among other things, the god of the kings, not of the
Regular Folk. That was Thor's gig. So, the slaves who fought might find
welcome in Bilskirnir. Thor is a god of the people. |
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robert bowman
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:19 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Scott Lowther wrote:
| Quote: | Finally, there is precedent for
declaring guns to be the spiritual equivalent of ancient blades; the
Japanese acknowledged rifles as the successors to the samurai swords of
old, during the Second World War.
Those cheap-ass Japanese guns from the Second World War are the
spiritual descendants of carefully craftedd Katanas? No wonder they lost
so bad.
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iirc, the samurai weren't thrilled by the introduction of firearms, a weapon
that could easily be used by a peasant hiding behind a bush. I'm not sure a
modern knuckledragger armed with a Raven .25 has much in the way of
spiritual heritage, either.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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| Quote: | the samurai weren't thrilled by the introduction of firearms,
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That's why they were introduced *twice.* Once in the (IIRC) 1600 by
the Dutch and/or Portugese. The Japanese versiosn of the firearms were
apparently pretty good, and the peasantry was gettign to be a threat
with them; firearms were then banned, and the sword regained dominance.
Then the US Navy showed up in the middle 19th century, forced Japan to
open up to trade with the west, and guns were re-introduced.
In retrospect, perhaps not the best move.
| Quote: | I'm not sure a modern knuckledragger armed with a Raven .25 has much in the way of spiritual heritage, either.
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True. A Winchester Model 12 shotgun, a Tommygun, a Model 1911...
*those* are firearms with soul. |
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Scott Lowther wrote:
| Quote: | Thomas Riker wrote:
What would Odin say about GUN CONTROL?
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That's already answered in the Havamal.
| Quote: | We do know that Valhalla was not for the lowly or common.
Accordign to some, yes.
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Important point. It is not us humans who make the
selections.
| Quote: | Slaves shall never sit at Odin's table, or quaff the mead poured by
valkyrie's hands.
How about slaves like Spartacus?
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First, he wasn't Asatru. Is it reasonable to think that
someone who does not follow the Aesir would end up in a
hall run by one of the Aesir.
Second, he stopped being a slave at some point. He led
a revolt that abolished slavery over a region for some
length of time. Didn't he die trying to keep that
going? So I'd think he wasn't a slave when he died.
I don't know if it was in battle or as a prisoner, but
he sure wasn't sent home to his former owners. |
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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| Quote: | It is not us humans who make the selections.
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Indeed. And since my recollection of the Eddas does not have "only
those born rich get to go to Valhalla" in it (I coudl be wrong,
though), then someone making such a declaration is probably just
pulling it out of his ass.
| Quote: | Is it reasonable to think that someone who does not follow the Aesir would end up in a hall run by one of the Aesir.
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I don't see why not. Odin seems to want Really Good Warriors, not
Religiously Devout Warriors. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if
Patton is up there. Probably still steamed that a Valkyrie clobbered
him with a *cart.*
| Quote: | Second, he stopped being a slave at some point. He led a revolt that abolished slavery over a region for some length of time. Didn't he die trying to keep that going? So I'd think he wasn't a slave when he died. I don't know if it was in battle or as a prisoner, but he sure wasn't sent home to his former owners.
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Why would Odin spurn such a man, just because he had never heard of
Odin (probably)? If Odin wouldn;t want him, I'm sure Frigg or Thor
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Recently, a script from lexcorp@ix.netcom.com arrived, in which they said:
: Indeed. And since my recollection of the Eddas does not have "only
: those born rich get to go to Valhalla" in it (I coudl be wrong,
: though), then someone making such a declaration is probably just
: pulling it out of his ass.
Common != poor. Common == frequent.
Historically (and to a large extent, today) the 'commoner' was one
who fell within the 98% of the population who were not rich. However,
one can apply the same calculation to different metrics; eg. one who
is of common courage is different from one who is a warrior, or one
who is of common values fails when the time comes for sacrifice, but
one who is beyond those values might not.
AFAICT, and I have not read the Eddas in a *long* time, only those
who are unusual and distinguished in the service of the Aesir, and
particularly Odin, are admitted to Valhalla, and of that company only
the unusual again are seated as Einherijar.
Now, whether or not the warrior needs to have been aware of Odin
or not is a theological question I don't have the tools to answer.
I could go through that argument in a Christian or an African context,
but not a Norse one.
~R
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lexcorp@ix.netcom.com wrote:
| Quote: | Doug Freyburger wrote:
It is not us humans who make the selections.
Indeed. And since my recollection of the Eddas does not have "only
those born rich get to go to Valhalla" in it (I coudl be wrong,
though), then someone making such a declaration is probably just
pulling it out of his ass.
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I also recall that the Eddas are written by humans not by the
Aesir so even if they did say so that wouldn't make them some
sort of biblical-inerrancy gospel truth.
The nobility had more interest in Odin, the commoners more
interest in Thor. Or is that what ended up going down on
paper? And does interest determine your place in the
afterlife? I return to who makes that selection IMO.
| Quote: | Is it reasonable to think that someone who does not follow the
Aesir would end up in a hall run by one of the Aesir.
I don't see why not.
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Then it is reasonable to think that since I'm an infidel I will end
up in some Muslim hell. Fair's fair and if it works one way it
has to work the other way as well. I don't know how the afterlife
*really* works, but if I'm going to wish a non-heathen into a hall
of one of the Aesir that means someone else gets to wish me into
their afterlife. There exist religions that do exactly that. What
non-Mormom really wants to be baptized retroactively and popped
into their afterlife?
| Quote: | Odin seems to want Really Good Warriors, not
Religiously Devout Warriors. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if
Patton is up there. Probably still steamed that a Valkyrie clobbered
him with a *cart.*
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Chuckle.
| Quote: | Second, he stopped being a slave at some point. He led a revolt
that abolished slavery over a region for some length of time.
Didn't he die trying to keep that going? So I'd think he wasn't a
slave when he died. I don't know if it was in battle or as a
prisoner, but he sure wasn't sent home to his former owners.
Why would Odin spurn such a man, just because he had never heard of
Odin (probably)? If Odin wouldn;t want him, I'm sure Frigg or Thor
probably would.
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Why would Sparticus chose an afterlife with a foreign diety? Oops,
there goes my statement about who gets to make the selection. So
I will end up in some sort of Mormon afterlife because someone else
ends up chosing for me. Don't you hate it when that happens?
This is why I prefer to only discuss heathens getting into heathen
afterlife. But being heathen and thinking that the Aesir actually
exist (I have no idea what "exist" really means), I think that it's
the Aesir who do the selection. What happens to non-heathens,
that's a can of worms I want to avoid as much as I want to avoid
ending up in some Mormom afterlife wondering what the bleep happened. |
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| Quote: | Then it is reasonable to think that since I'm an infidel I will end up in some Muslim hell.
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Who can say? Maybe you'll end in in Valhalla. AND Nirvana. AND
Christian Heaven. AND Muslim Hell. AND Christian Hell. AND Muslim
Paradise. AND Niflhell. AND the Alesian Fields. AND Hades. AND...
Thing is... if the Muslims are right, Asatruar are likely wrong. If
Asatruar are right, the Muslims are likely wrong, though the Isis
worshippers and the followers of the Roman pantheon might not be.
So if the Asaturar are right, then Spartacus ending up in Valhalla
makes some sense: either there were few places else for him to go (if
Odin has the choice of either Valhalla or Hel for Spartacus, I gotta
wonder what he'd choose), or maybe Odin would present him with an
option. The Roman gods seemed to have less interest in having heroes on
hand (except their own progeny, of course). Maybe there's a draft pick
or something.
This is neither a question I feel capable of answerign with
certainty... nor one I'm gonna sweat too hard over.
| Quote: | And does interest determine your place in the afterlife? I return to who makes that selection IMO.
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Your interest in Asgard might mean you go there. Had you been
interested in Heaven, maybe you'd go there. But your interest... who's
behind that?
| Quote: | What happens to non-heathens, that's a can of worms I want to avoid as much as I want to avoid ending up in some Mormom afterlife wondering what the bleep happened.
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I doubt online discussions greatly affect what happens in the afterlife. |
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I just love that fight in Yojimbo with Sajuro and that guy with the
revolver.
Samurai vs. Gunslinger, who wins?
Watch the movie on Netflix. :)
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| Quote: | the samurai weren't thrilled by the introduction of firearms,
That's why they were introduced *twice.* Once in the (IIRC) 1600 by
the Dutch and/or Portugese. The Japanese versiosn of the firearms were
apparently pretty good, and the peasantry was gettign to be a threat
with them; firearms were then banned, and the sword regained dominance.
Then the US Navy showed up in the middle 19th century, forced Japan to
open up to trade with the west, and guns were re-introduced.
In retrospect, perhaps not the best move.
I'm not sure a modern knuckledragger armed with a Raven .25 has much in
the way of spiritual heritage, either.
True. A Winchester Model 12 shotgun, a Tommygun, a Model 1911...
*those* are firearms with soul.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:37 pm Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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Bah, silly man, Guns are old hat.
GUNBLADES are where it's at.
:)
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| Quote: | Thomas Riker wrote:
What would Odin say about GUN CONTROL?
Probably something akin to: "What are you, stupid or something? Friggen'
gun-grabbers piss me off..."
There is some evidence that the fallen warrior's weapon would accompany
him into the afterlife. He was buried with it, of course, but that's not
all - in some graves, the sword has been heated and twisted out of
shape, as though it was being "killed" so that its spirit could
accompany that of its owner into the Otherworld.
A more pragmatic explanation - though less satisfying - is that the
sword is destroyed so it can't be easily dug up and used by an enemy.
Finally, there is precedent for
declaring guns to be the spiritual equivalent of ancient blades; the
Japanese acknowledged rifles as the successors to the samurai swords of
old, during the Second World War.
Those cheap-ass Japanese guns from the Second World War are the
spiritual descendants of carefully craftedd Katanas? No wonder they lost
so bad.
We do know that Valhalla was
not for the lowly or common.
Accordign to some, yes.
Slaves shall never sit at Odin's table, or quaff the mead poured by
valkyrie's hands.
How about slaves like Spartacus?
I cannot speak for Odin, but I believe that
no man or woman who turns in his or her gun to the government will ever
look on the faces of the blest in Valhalla. Surrender your "assault
rifle," and be doomed to the cold and murk of Hel's home; you have no
place among heroes.
I'll buy that. Easier to simply lie and say that you got rid of it. Lots
of Canucks and Aussies did that. |
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:16 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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On Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:14:43 -0700, Thomas Riker
<jakker@secure-tunnel.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Hey All,
Some posts recently have touched on such topics as gun control and
secular law VS religious law. My wife was searching the web a while ago
and came across this
http://www.runestone.org/gunctrl.html
and I thought I would post it.
(I have no knowledge of the author or the site, so I don't know what
opinion those older in Asatru than I hold of him/it, if any.)
Thoughts?
Have Fun,
Ed
What would Odin say about GUN CONTROL?
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| Quote: | Oaths were sworn on weapons, and the steel might be called upon to turn
against its owner if the words which were spoken over it were not true.
In the lore of the Vikings, Odin himself tells his followers to be
armed. As the poem called the Havamal warns us,
A wayfarer should not walk unarmed,
But have his weapons to hand:
He never knows when he may need a spear,
Or what menace meet on the road.
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There are areas where I might disagree with Steve over interpretations
of the Sagas but this case is really quite clear. Odin would be
against Gun Control...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:17 am Post subject: Re: What Would Odin Say? |
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On Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:03:52 GMT, Scott Lowther
<scottlowther@ix.netcom.SPAMBLOK.com> wrote:
| Quote: | Thomas Riker wrote:
What would Odin say about GUN CONTROL?
Probably something akin to: "What are you, stupid or something? Friggen'
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Taking her name in vain again...
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