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Just James
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 Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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The Master wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Just James wrote:
Funny... Every Chineese restaurant I have ever been to had Chineese
people working the kitchen... Chineese people speak spanish in the
USA? Weird...
You must live up north. Here in Texas, it is uncommon to see a white
person in the kitchen unless they are the manager.
??? Chineese people are whites? When the hell did this happen?!?!? I
haven't seen an affirmative action "self declaration" sheet in a number
of years, but last time I knew there was an "asian" choice. Do the
Japanese fall under this too, or only Chineese?
One of my favorite places, Byblos, is a Lebanese restaurant that has
an open kitchen. IN the back are Hispanics. That's true of most
restaurants here.
And Lebanese food is from China? Feel-good liberalism has even fucked
up Geography it seems. Again, every single Chineese restaurant I have
ever been to has Chineese kitchen help, not hispanic. I have not been
to a Lebanese place, so I cannot comment on that.
I have, however, forgotten the point I was trying to make...
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Oh, that's clear.
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Just James
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Just James
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:20 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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The Master wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Just James wrote:
And I want to learn Japanese, NOT Spanish. And we aren't talking
about tourists, but rather immigrants. Legal or otherwise, if they
LIVE in a nation that speaks English, they too should learn English.
If I LIVED in France, I would learn French, wouldn't you?
I'm talking about the arrogance of American's that expect everyone in
the world to speak English. America is made up of many different
types of people.
And everyone living in [The United States of] America should speak the
same language. The immigrants from other nations learn English, why
can't the Mexicans?
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Do you speak Cherokee? Pawnee? ANY Native American language? You see
as we gather and grow, things change. You should feel lucky we aren't
having to learn Russian out of necessity.
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It is one of the things that makes us unique. While English is the
most prevalent, and it would be helpful for people living here to
learn it, it certainly is not required nor should it be.
If it's English press 1 and Spanish press 2, why don't the Japanese have
press 3, and the French have press 4? Because they learned English,
that's why... Are the other immigrants just smarter then Spanish
speaking ones?
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Other immigrant DON'T always learn the language. I'm sure there are
plenty of other immigrant groups that don't, we just happen to be
neighbors with a very large population that speaks Spanish.
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What if someone ran a Chineese restaurant, would they still be
speaking spanish?
Yes. Same goes for any other ethnic restaurant you can think up.
Most kitchen workers are Hispanic.
Funny... Every Chineese restaurant I have ever been to had Chineese
people working the kitchen... Chineese people speak spanish in the USA?
Weird...
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You must live up north. Here in Texas, it is uncommon to see a white
person in the kitchen unless they are the manager. One of my favorite
places, Byblos, is a Lebanese restaurant that has an open kitchen. IN
the back are Hispanics. That's true of most restaurants here.
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Just James
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Raleigh
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Aug 19, 8:31 am, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Raleigh wrote:
John Manning wrote:
junkman wrote:
You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish"
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WASHINGTON, Jul 09, 2008 (BUSINESS WIRE)
-- At a town hall meeting in Georgia this morning, presumptive Democratic Presidential nominee Barack Obama told an audience that, "you need to make sure that your child can speak Spanish." Speaking in Powder Springs, Ga., the Illinois Senator said that the nation's chief priority should not be for immigrants to learn English, but for American children to learn Spanish.
read more...
Obama Tells Audience, "You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" - MarketWatch
Here's a video of that speech with exactly what Obama said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZprtPat1Vk
Obama should also have stated that American children need to be taught
what the Mexican flag looks like so that they can find the federal
post office in their neighborhood.
Nonsense.
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I agree its nonsense, but not in the sense that you do.
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I just got a photo in the mail today of illegal aliens, attending
public school at state expense in California, taking down the American
flag at their school and putting up a Mexican one, over the now upside
down Old Glory.
I presume you are referring to that on protest where the group of
youngsters took down the American flag an raised the Mexican.
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It was not an unplanned, emotional reaction. They had to bring the
flag from somewhere else, so it was planned.
You know,
| Quote: | our own youth have trouble reciting the oath of allegiance or national
anthem. But then, what should we expect with a half rate education
system that focuses on testing rather than understanding.
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Eucation is severely strained by the influx of illegals. Education has
been made a political football in which competing ideologies are
struggling to turn the curriculum into their own propaganda units. In
most school systems, however, the ideology that has succeeded is the
wacko liberal one.
The local districts have to pay to pay to educate illegals but the
Federal government, while refusing to keep them out or deport them,
demands that the local districts educate them. The closest thing I can
think of is a man forcing his wife to work so that he can afford to
keep a mistress.
I agree that we must learn Spanish. I don't speak it well, but I know
enough to be able to tell the illegal alien without a driver's license
who rear-ends me not to leave until the cops arrive.
I also read the local Spanish papers with all the Manning-style rant
about how the U.S., by attempting to exercise the control a sovereign
state has over its borders, is "racist."
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Oh, and BTW, education is funded by taxes that those people pay. IF
they own, rent or buy stuff, they are paying taxes.
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I hate to tell you this, since you obviously know it, that a large
number of illegal aliens are in the "cash only" underground.
| Quote: | It is an invasion, plain and simple, and anyone who proposes to pander
to these people is nothing more than a traitor.
Raleigh
You are so over the top. You're like the flip side to John's coin.
"Invasion"? Seriously?!
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Seriously. But efforts at control have helped. Now when I see a
handlettered sign in Spanish to recruit a nonEnglish speaking alien
for a job (no English on the placard at all--U.S. citizens not
wanted), it also includes the stipulation that the candidate must have
papers.
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Raleigh
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:37 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Aug 19, 3:37 pm, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 9:52 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam
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On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Raleigh wrote:
It is an invasion, plain and simple, and anyone who proposes to pander
to these people is nothing more than a traitor.
Illegal mexicans are an invading army, that threaten our way of life. All
Mexicans need to be arrested, and held at Gitmo until they are placed on
trial in 8 years from now.
Seriously, have you ever picked up a history book regarding what is
now the U.S. of A.? As I recall, ever so vaguely, English was not the
language spoken in the year 1100 A.D.
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I was unaware that the United States existed in 1100 AD. Are you a
Mormon?
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Ramona
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Aug 20, 7:37 am, Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 19, 3:37 pm, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:52 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Raleigh wrote:
It is an invasion, plain and simple, and anyone who proposes to pander
to these people is nothing more than a traitor.
Illegal mexicans are an invading army, that threaten our way of life. All
Mexicans need to be arrested, and held at Gitmo until they are placed on
trial in 8 years from now.
Seriously, have you ever picked up a history book regarding what is
now the U.S. of A.? As I recall, ever so vaguely, English was not the
language spoken in the year 1100 A.D.
I was unaware that the United States existed in 1100 AD. Are you a
Mormon?
Raleigh
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No, but you certainly have literacy issues since I actually wrote:
"regarding what is
now the U.S. of A. " While I have been considered anti-mormon, you
cement my complaint regarding many of the anti's here. Thank you for
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Just James
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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Raleigh wrote:
| Quote: | I just got a photo in the mail today of illegal aliens, attending
public school at state expense in California, taking down the American
flag at their school and putting up a Mexican one, over the now upside
down Old Glory.
I presume you are referring to that on protest where the group of
youngsters took down the American flag an raised the Mexican.
It was not an unplanned, emotional reaction. They had to bring the
flag from somewhere else, so it was planned.
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It was a planned protest with kids taking part. I know of many
demonstrations where people bring flags, so the fact that it was there
means little. Even if it was planned, kids make poorly thought out
plans all the time.
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You know,
our own youth have trouble reciting the oath of allegiance or national
anthem. But then, what should we expect with a half rate education
system that focuses on testing rather than understanding.
Eucation is severely strained by the influx of illegals. Education has
been made a political football in which competing ideologies are
struggling to turn the curriculum into their own propaganda units. In
most school systems, however, the ideology that has succeeded is the
wacko liberal one.
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So much drivel. I agree education is strained, but that would be true
regardless of "illegals". And education is "liberal"? Our school
system is designed on creating a corp. workforce that can follow rules
and has a huge bias to standardized testing. It is hardly liberal. But
perhaps I just misunderstand, how do you define liberal and conservative
education?
| Quote: | The local districts have to pay to pay to educate illegals but the
Federal government, while refusing to keep them out or deport them,
demands that the local districts educate them. The closest thing I can
think of is a man forcing his wife to work so that he can afford to
keep a mistress.
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In what way does a school district pay to educate the kids? I pay taxes
so in reality I am paying for that to happen. But I pay for kids that
are not even mine. Homeschoolers do the same. Kids who show up to get
an education deserve to be taught.
| Quote: | Oh, and BTW, education is funded by taxes that those people pay. IF
they own, rent or buy stuff, they are paying taxes.
I hate to tell you this, since you obviously know it, that a large
number of illegal aliens are in the "cash only" underground.
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I agree they work mostly on cash, but that does not prevent them from
paying taxes. They pay property taxes either as home owners or renters.
The pay sales taxes. If you want to bitch about non-tax payers, lets
start with the hedge-fund managers that pay a paltry 15% on the gobs of
money made in their legal betting. Or how about those crazy natural
American citizens that also live off cash. The SS number is just your
mark of the beast.
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Just James
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first and only object of good government." ~ Thomas Jefferson |
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Just Wondering
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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Raleigh wrote:
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I agree that we must learn Spanish. I don't speak it well, but I know
enough to be able to tell the illegal alien without a driver's license
who rear-ends me not to leave until the cops arrive.
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If the perp is an illegal alien, it doesn't matter what you say, he'll
take off to avoid deportation. And if you get him to stay, he'll be
judgment proof and driving without insurance. If none of those things
are true, he'll stay without your persuasions and probably speaks
English anyway. So your reason for saying 300+ million English speaking
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Raleigh
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:51 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Aug 20, 7:58 am, Just James <post_mas...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Raleigh wrote:
I just got a photo in the mail today of illegal aliens, attending
public school at state expense in California, taking down the American
flag at their school and putting up a Mexican one, over the now upside
down Old Glory.
I presume you are referring to that on protest where the group of
youngsters took down the American flag an raised the Mexican.
It was not an unplanned, emotional reaction. They had to bring the
flag from somewhere else, so it was planned.
It was a planned protest with kids taking part. I know of many
demonstrations where people bring flags, so the fact that it was there
means little. Even if it was planned, kids make poorly thought out
plans all the time.
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Yes. And many times they are punished for doing things that they
didn't plan well when it is an outrage.
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You know,
our own youth have trouble reciting the oath of allegiance or national
anthem. But then, what should we expect with a half rate education
system that focuses on testing rather than understanding.
Eucation is severely strained by the influx of illegals. Education has
been made a political football in which competing ideologies are
struggling to turn the curriculum into their own propaganda units. In
most school systems, however, the ideology that has succeeded is the
wacko liberal one.
So much drivel. I agree education is strained, but that would be true
regardless of "illegals". And education is "liberal"? Our school
system is designed on creating a corp. workforce that can follow rules
and has a huge bias to standardized testing. It is hardly liberal. But
perhaps I just misunderstand, how do you define liberal and conservative
education?
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The liberal education is designed to make people more useful to the
state. That means that anything that might tend to make them believe
in the principles grounded in the Declaration of Independence has to
be carefully presented to keep them from thinking that the government
is intended to serve them. All traditional ways of doing things have
to be denigrated so as to make innovations (bad or otherwise)
acceptable. Liberalism in its most leftwing form is not a whole lot
different from fascism. But in the modern school, it is more important
that all the kids be babysat someplace other than home (where the
parents might teach them their own values), and that the kids be
taught to obey the government, as long as it follows totaltitarian
ideas that elevate an elite to a position of governance. This was
satirized by Channel 20 with a show in which a teacher told his
students that their parents were bad people because they flushed the
commode when they urinated, and didn't just do it when they did a no.
two.
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The local districts have to pay to pay to educate illegals but the
Federal government, while refusing to keep them out or deport them,
demands that the local districts educate them. The closest thing I can
think of is a man forcing his wife to work so that he can afford to
keep a mistress.
In what way does a school district pay to educate the kids? I pay taxes
so in reality I am paying for that to happen. But I pay for kids that
are not even mine. Homeschoolers do the same. Kids who show up to get
an education deserve to be taught.
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I disagree on that one in the case of illegals. They need to show up
at school in their home countries, and protest for their civil rights
in their own countries, instead of doing it here.
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Oh, and BTW, education is funded by taxes that those people pay. IF
they own, rent or buy stuff, they are paying taxes.
I hate to tell you this, since you obviously know it, that a large
number of illegal aliens are in the "cash only" underground.
I agree they work mostly on cash, but that does not prevent them from
paying taxes. They pay property taxes either as home owners or renters..
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Have you lived in an area with illegals? With twenty illegals living
in a one bedroom apartment, the property tax that is being paid
indirectly through the landlord is not proportional to what citizens
pay.
| Quote: | The pay sales taxes. If you want to bitch about non-tax payers, lets
start with the hedge-fund managers that pay a paltry 15% on the gobs of
money made in their legal betting.
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I think that all hedge-fund managers who are in the U.S. illegally
should be arrested and deported, regardless of their race, religion,
sexual orientation, gender, or country of origin.
Or how about those crazy natural
| Quote: | American citizens that also live off cash. The SS number is just your mark of the beast.
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Just remember, social security was thought up and enacted by liberal
politicians, who promptly exempted themselves from it by law.
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Raleigh
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:54 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Aug 20, 1:14 pm, Just Wondering <fmh...@comcast.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Raleigh wrote:
I agree that we must learn Spanish. I don't speak it well, but I know
enough to be able to tell the illegal alien without a driver's license
who rear-ends me not to leave until the cops arrive.
If the perp is an illegal alien, it doesn't matter what you say, he'll
take off to avoid deportation. And if you get him to stay, he'll be
judgment proof and driving without insurance. If none of those things
are true, he'll stay without your persuasions and probably speaks
English anyway. So your reason for saying 300+ million English speaking
Americans "must learn Spanish" is not persuasive.
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Actually, they don't run off. The last time I got rear ended, they
both stuck around. Then the two deputies that came by told me that
since less than $1000 dollars damage had been done to the vehicles,
and since driving without a license is not an "arrestable offense,"
they were not going to file a report. They told me this while watching
the blood running down my face from the gash in my forehead.
Illegal aliens don't have driver's licenses, or ID, so the cops don't
bother with them. You can't write them a ticket, and the cops don't
want to arrest them. Prosecution is for citizens only. Illegals get a
free pass in "sanctuary cities."
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Raleigh
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:59 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Aug 20, 9:22 am, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 20, 7:37 am, Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:37 pm, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:52 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Raleigh wrote:
It is an invasion, plain and simple, and anyone who proposes to pander
to these people is nothing more than a traitor.
Illegal mexicans are an invading army, that threaten our way of life. All
Mexicans need to be arrested, and held at Gitmo until they are placed on
trial in 8 years from now.
Seriously, have you ever picked up a history book regarding what is
now the U.S. of A.? As I recall, ever so vaguely, English was not the
language spoken in the year 1100 A.D.
I was unaware that the United States existed in 1100 AD. Are you a
Mormon?
Raleigh
No, but you certainly have literacy issues since I actually wrote:
"regarding what is
now the U.S. of A. " While I have been considered anti-mormon, you
cement my complaint regarding many of the anti's here. Thank you for
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I merely asked if you were a Mormon because the Mormon religion posits
that the most important extant piece of PreColumbian literature is in
English.
The point you try to make about things changing with time is
important, too. You see, those who are unable or unwilling to protect
what they have lose it.
The nonAztecs that Cortez met objected to their oppression under
Moctezuma, and allied themselves with him. Just goes to show that a
balkanized country of diverse groups who have no loyalty other than to
their own ethnic group or political party won't last. So why try so
hard to duplicate that in the U.S.?
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Diana
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On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:59:10 -0700 (PDT), Raleigh <graleigh345@cs.com>
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| Quote: | On Aug 20, 9:22 am, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 20, 7:37 am, Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:37 pm, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:52 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Raleigh wrote:
It is an invasion, plain and simple, and anyone who proposes to pander
to these people is nothing more than a traitor.
Illegal mexicans are an invading army, that threaten our way of life. All
Mexicans need to be arrested, and held at Gitmo until they are placed on
trial in 8 years from now.
Seriously, have you ever picked up a history book regarding what is
now the U.S. of A.? As I recall, ever so vaguely, English was not the
language spoken in the year 1100 A.D.
I was unaware that the United States existed in 1100 AD. Are you a
Mormon?
Raleigh
No, but you certainly have literacy issues since I actually wrote:
"regarding what is
now the U.S. of A. " While I have been considered anti-mormon, you
cement my complaint regarding many of the anti's here. Thank you for
that.- Hide quoted text -
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I merely asked if you were a Mormon because the Mormon religion posits
that the most important extant piece of PreColumbian literature is in
English.
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No we don't, Raliegh.
Or rather, we do say that--in the SAME sense that we say it is in
Spanish and French and Mandarin and German and Russian
and...and....and...
A translation is generally in the language of the reader it's aimed
at. That's the POINT.
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The point you try to make about things changing with time is
important, too. You see, those who are unable or unwilling to protect
what they have lose it.
The nonAztecs that Cortez met objected to their oppression under
Moctezuma, and allied themselves with him. Just goes to show that a
balkanized country of diverse groups who have no loyalty other than to
their own ethnic group or political party won't last. So why try so
hard to duplicate that in the U.S.?
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Diana
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:08:53 -0500, Just James
<post_master@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
| Quote: | The Master wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Just James wrote:
I know people from england that speak French. I know people from
Canada that speak French, I know people from Spain that speak Italian,
Portuguese and English. The point is, when an American goes abroad,
they usually do little to learn the host country language since
English should just be expected. I personally feel no fear since I
took Spanish years ago and had to speak it on my mission and most
recently when I worked in restaurants.
And I want to learn Japanese, NOT Spanish. And we aren't talking about
tourists, but rather immigrants. Legal or otherwise, if they LIVE in a
nation that speaks English, they too should learn English. If I LIVED
in France, I would learn French, wouldn't you?
I'm talking about the arrogance of American's that expect everyone in
the world to speak English. America is made up of many different types
of people. It is one of the things that makes us unique. While English
is the most prevalent, and it would be helpful for people living here to
learn it, it certainly is not required nor should it be.
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You can talk about that, James, but that's not the topic. In fact,
both you and 'the master' are BOTH right. Americans should be more
willing to learn other languages, so that when they go overseas, they
can actually communicate in the native tongues of those who live in
the countries they visit.
They should absolutely learn the language of the nation they choose to
LIVE in.
I think it is rather important for everyone to be bilingual--it's a
good idea.
And if it's a good idea for Americans to learn Spanish if they intend
to go to, or live in Spain or any of the South/Central American
nations that speak Spanish, then it is just as good idea for the
Spanish speakers to learn the established language of the United
States of America.
Which happens to be English.
Well, a sort of English, anyway.
Actually, I don't think it's going to be that big a problem for that
long.English has by far the largest vocabulary of all the world's
languages; something like 550,000 words, and another 300,000 or so
technical terms.
The thing about it, though, is that English is a bastardized language
from the get go. It's neither Latinate nor Germanic, though its basic
grammar is Germanic (even though historically all the professors kept
trying to force Latinate grammatical rules on it). The Normans came in
and gave the language a split personality and a major headache; there
is a wonderful discusion of it by Sir Walter Scott in "Ivanhoe."
Then we just gave up. We all figured that if we didn't really HAVE our
own language the way the French and Spanish (and Germans) do, we may
as well continue on as we began; we'll just steal all the best
bits--keep 'em and call 'em "English."
So, world, hang in there. Pretty soon you'll have us all speaking your
words, no problem. If we want to call them "English," well...that's
the way the language grows.
And grows.
If we can't come up with just the right word to discribe an object or
a process or a thought, we'll just rifle through your pockets, steal
YOUR spare vocabulary, and keep merrily going.
So, with the richness of a language that has so much expression at
it's fingertips--and tongues, why would anybody want to limit that,
and NOT learn it when living in an English speaking nation?
| Quote: | Seriously, ask any restaurant manager or construction site super how
important it is to know Spanish. Many of those workers take the free
lessons to learn English when they can find them, but they seem to be
pretty rare.
No one from Korea visits US restaurants? Rather, the restaurant manager
thinks Spanish is important because the kitchen help speak Spanish,
because they refuse to learn English. Sort of proves my point,
thanks...
It proves nothing other than immigrant labor tends to work the menial
jobs we educated American's don't want. We have low unemployment in
this country. If someone wants to work in the US there is a job,
however they may not be able to make a living wage or they may need to
do something they would rather not do, like buss tables. Kitchens in
American are full of Hispanics because they are the only ones who want
to do it.
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And that, my friend, is purest bull puckey.
I know who would do it, and be very happy to, as well.
Teenagers...anybody looking for entry level work. This nonsense about
Hispanics doing work Americans don't want is fertilizer.
IT's also a HUGE diservice to Hispanics. By catagorizing the jobs they
take as somehow beneath Americans, you are placing a very heavy
barrier to their getting better jobs...reminds me of what happened to
"secretary." Back in the early nineteenth century, "secretary" was a
trusted position, given to men who were then in line for the position
of 'boss.' There was nothing menial about it.
Then women learned to type, and 'secretary' was suddenly something
that was 'women's work.' No man would be a secretary...and secretaries
never again became bosses.
Now, of course, the 'secretary' insists upon being called an
'adminstrative assistant,' because only in that way can the REAL
tradition of 'secretary' be served; in line for the boss's job.
No sir. This insane drivel about illegal immigrants taking jobs that
Americans don't want...that's bigotry in it's nastiest, SNEAKIEST,
clothing.
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What if someone ran a Chineese restaurant, would they still be speaking spanish?
Yes. Same goes for any other ethnic restaurant you can think up. Most
kitchen workers are Hispanic.
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I wish you were not correct. However, I just went to a chinese
restaurant a week or so ago, and it was surreal to hear everybody in
the kitchen speaking Spanish.
I am very much in favor of sending illegal immigrants back to their
countries. They are breaking the laws here. They are taking jobs that
our young people need to get into business and to put themselves
through school.
They should go home.
They should then apply for legal immigration status, FROM their native
countries.
Then we should let them back in---but they NEED to go home first. |
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Raleigh
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 11:52 am Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Aug 21, 10:51 pm, Diana <diana...@notachance.com> wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:59:10 -0700 (PDT), Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com
wrote:
On Aug 20, 9:22 am, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 20, 7:37 am, Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:37 pm, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:52 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Raleigh wrote:
It is an invasion, plain and simple, and anyone who proposes to pander
to these people is nothing more than a traitor.
Illegal mexicans are an invading army, that threaten our way of life. All
Mexicans need to be arrested, and held at Gitmo until they are placed on
trial in 8 years from now.
Seriously, have you ever picked up a history book regarding what is
now the U.S. of A.? As I recall, ever so vaguely, English was not the
language spoken in the year 1100 A.D.
I was unaware that the United States existed in 1100 AD. Are you a
Mormon?
Raleigh
No, but you certainly have literacy issues since I actually wrote:
"regarding what is
now the U.S. of A. " While I have been considered anti-mormon, you
cement my complaint regarding many of the anti's here. Thank you for
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I merely asked if you were a Mormon because the Mormon religion posits
that the most important extant piece of PreColumbian literature is in
English.
No we don't, Raliegh.
Or rather, we do say that--in the SAME sense that we say it is in
Spanish and French and Mandarin and German and Russian
and...and....and...
A translation is generally in the language of the reader it's aimed
at. That's the POINT.
The point you try to make about things changing with time is
important, too. You see, those who are unable or unwilling to protect
what they have lose it.
The nonAztecs that Cortez met objected to their oppression under
Moctezuma, and allied themselves with him. Just goes to show that a
balkanized country of diverse groups who have no loyalty other than to
their own ethnic group or political party won't last. So why try so
hard to duplicate that in the U.S.?
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However, there is no physical evidence that the Book of Mormon ever
existed in any language other than English. All those Spanish,
French, Mandarin, German, and Russian translations of the Book of
Mormon--what are they translated from?
Even Roman Catholic scholars stopped translating the Bible from Latin
back in the 1940's, and went back to the Hebrew and Greek. When will
LDS scholars stop translating the Book of Mormon from English and go
back to translating from the original language?
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Diana
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:52:06 -0700 (PDT), Raleigh <graleigh345@cs.com>
wrote:
| Quote: | On Aug 21, 10:51 pm, Diana <diana...@notachance.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:59:10 -0700 (PDT), Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com
wrote:
On Aug 20, 9:22 am, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 20, 7:37 am, Raleigh <graleigh...@cs.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 3:37 pm, Ramona <atlram...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Aug 19, 9:52 am, The Master <tar...@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam
wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008, Raleigh wrote:
It is an invasion, plain and simple, and anyone who proposes to pander
to these people is nothing more than a traitor.
Illegal mexicans are an invading army, that threaten our way of life. All
Mexicans need to be arrested, and held at Gitmo until they are placed on
trial in 8 years from now.
Seriously, have you ever picked up a history book regarding what is
now the U.S. of A.? As I recall, ever so vaguely, English was not the
language spoken in the year 1100 A.D.
I was unaware that the United States existed in 1100 AD. Are you a
Mormon?
Raleigh
No, but you certainly have literacy issues since I actually wrote:
"regarding what is
now the U.S. of A. " While I have been considered anti-mormon, you
cement my complaint regarding many of the anti's here. Thank you for
that.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I merely asked if you were a Mormon because the Mormon religion posits
that the most important extant piece of PreColumbian literature is in
English.
No we don't, Raliegh.
Or rather, we do say that--in the SAME sense that we say it is in
Spanish and French and Mandarin and German and Russian
and...and....and...
A translation is generally in the language of the reader it's aimed
at. That's the POINT.
The point you try to make about things changing with time is
important, too. You see, those who are unable or unwilling to protect
what they have lose it.
The nonAztecs that Cortez met objected to their oppression under
Moctezuma, and allied themselves with him. Just goes to show that a
balkanized country of diverse groups who have no loyalty other than to
their own ethnic group or political party won't last. So why try so
hard to duplicate that in the U.S.?
Raleigh- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
However, there is no physical evidence that the Book of Mormon ever
existed in any language other than English. All those Spanish,
French, Mandarin, German, and Russian translations of the Book of
Mormon--what are they translated from?
Even Roman Catholic scholars stopped translating the Bible from Latin
back in the 1940's, and went back to the Hebrew and Greek. When will
LDS scholars stop translating the Book of Mormon from English and go
back to translating from the original language?
Raleigh
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Just James
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| Posted: Fri Aug 22, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: You Need to Make Sure that Your Child Can Speak Spanish" |
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Diana wrote:
| Quote: | On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:08:53 -0500, Just James
post_master@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
The Master wrote:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2008, Just James wrote:
I know people from england that speak French. I know people from
Canada that speak French, I know people from Spain that speak Italian,
Portuguese and English. The point is, when an American goes abroad,
they usually do little to learn the host country language since
English should just be expected. I personally feel no fear since I
took Spanish years ago and had to speak it on my mission and most
recently when I worked in restaurants.
And I want to learn Japanese, NOT Spanish. And we aren't talking about
tourists, but rather immigrants. Legal or otherwise, if they LIVE in a
nation that speaks English, they too should learn English. If I LIVED
in France, I would learn French, wouldn't you?
I'm talking about the arrogance of American's that expect everyone in
the world to speak English. America is made up of many different types
of people. It is one of the things that makes us unique. While English
is the most prevalent, and it would be helpful for people living here to
learn it, it certainly is not required nor should it be.
You can talk about that, James, but that's not the topic. In fact,
both you and 'the master' are BOTH right. Americans should be more
willing to learn other languages, so that when they go overseas, they
can actually communicate in the native tongues of those who live in
the countries they visit.
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My point was that in other countries they do not force others to learn
their language. In France, yes, most of the signs and papers are in
French, but it is not unusual to find important documents printed in
other languages. In America, where I think the diversity is much
greater over all, we disdain even the thought of translation into other
languages.
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They should absolutely learn the language of the nation they choose to
LIVE in.
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An I think they are. Just how long is it supposed to take for a person
to learn such an archaic language as English? I had trouble with
Spanish and it had rather simple rules that were consistent. So while
they are learning, what are they supposed to do?
| Quote: | Seriously, ask any restaurant manager or construction site super how
important it is to know Spanish. Many of those workers take the free
lessons to learn English when they can find them, but they seem to be
pretty rare.
No one from Korea visits US restaurants? Rather, the restaurant manager
thinks Spanish is important because the kitchen help speak Spanish,
because they refuse to learn English. Sort of proves my point,
thanks...
It proves nothing other than immigrant labor tends to work the menial
jobs we educated American's don't want. We have low unemployment in
this country. If someone wants to work in the US there is a job,
however they may not be able to make a living wage or they may need to
do something they would rather not do, like buss tables. Kitchens in
American are full of Hispanics because they are the only ones who want
to do it.
And that, my friend, is purest bull puckey.
I know who would do it, and be very happy to, as well.
Teenagers...anybody looking for entry level work. This nonsense about
Hispanics doing work Americans don't want is fertilizer.
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Not at all. Unless they have papers showing they can work in the US
they are not allowed the "higher end" jobs. It is not uncommon to hear
of engineers or doctors from countries such as Iraq that come here as
refugees and cannot find work. If you are desperate enough, you'll do
most any job. In my desperation, I almost took up fast food management
before I lucked into accounting. I had a bachelors of business and 1
year experience and no one would higher me. t was through a friend I
got my first shot and made a great impression thus giving me the
opportunity I have now.
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IT's also a HUGE diservice to Hispanics. By catagorizing the jobs they
take as somehow beneath Americans, you are placing a very heavy
barrier to their getting better jobs..
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| Quote: | No sir. This insane drivel about illegal immigrants taking jobs that
Americans don't want...that's bigotry in it's nastiest, SNEAKIEST,
clothing.
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Stop being so overly dramatic, I'm the one defending their right to live
an work here. Base on the FACTS, which I know many religious people
have trouble with, most kitchen staff is Hispanic as least in the border
states. I do not consider the tasks "menial" in the sense that they
make a person less of a person for doing them, but that they usually
require less education, do not pay very well and are hard to do.
For instance, a cook in a restaurant is very challenging. I have no
idea how my guys could cook thirty steaks and get them all right. I
could barley manage a couple of them in the slow periods. Cooks just
aren't paid very well, they have to work very long hours and i is very
hot. Or how about ditch digging? My dad and granddad were plumbers and
if the job was too small for a backhoe but too large for a couple of
guys, you just run down to the local daily labor hangout and grab a
couple of guys for the day. There were a few white guys, but there were
far more Hispanics.
No, the bigotry is for those who think that they are somehow entitled to
be on this piece of dirt.
| Quote: | What if someone ran a Chineese restaurant, would they still be speaking spanish?
Yes. Same goes for any other ethnic restaurant you can think up. Most
kitchen workers are Hispanic.
I wish you were not correct. However, I just went to a chinese
restaurant a week or so ago, and it was surreal to hear everybody in
the kitchen speaking Spanish.
I am very much in favor of sending illegal immigrants back to their
countries. They are breaking the laws here. They are taking jobs that
our young people need to get into business and to put themselves
through school.
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Teenagers don't want to dig ditches of wash dishes for 9 hours a day.
Our kids are doing just fine.
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I'm sure the Native Americans thought the same thing about all the
various Europeans.
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They should then apply for legal immigration status, FROM their native
countries.
Then we should let them back in---but they NEED to go home first.
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I really disagree here. There should be a special office on this side
of the soon to be fence for those very enterprising individuals who went
through more than a crappy bureaucracy to get here. People risking
their lives to make a better one for their kids are my kind of people
and I would be honored to call them neighbor and citizen.
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Just James
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